Epidemic of single Somali women

[Angelina]

@Odious Delirium and the rest

This is my analysis. Someone on twitter worded it perfectly:

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[mohamedismail]

No only a minority of Somali women. Many men were indeed poor Nomads looking for grazing land. Using the ownership of a minority of men for all men is a weak analysis.


Nope, we don’t see it that way. We see them as people who can’t let go of the relics of tribal feuds and hatred.

And don’t Somali women still mostly marry Somali men? Aren’t lower socioeconomic Somali men still able to marry their women? Who has given up on them?

The issue is that society has changed. Women need men just for financial gain, hence young men need to smarten up and understand that marriage is a union that both need to work together. Why would you expect a woman to marry you and be wholly dependent on you financially when you can’t? Surely the best solution is to help your wife with the domestic work and she’ll chip in money wise as well.

I agree with your first point that not all men are equal. And even pre civil war Somalia not all men had wealth and ability to get women.

The second point that Somali women haven't given up on Somali men I would personally disagree. Many Somali women have given up on them. They diss them online and also are marrying ajnabi in droves. That shows me that 50% of Somali women have given up on us.

The other 50% that haven't given up on Somali men haven't done so due to famillial or strong cultural influence. They want to stick to their culture and most likely were raised in a very Somali culture orientated household.

But many Somali women have given up on us. And it is evident on how they bash us.

 

[Gaarasho]

Most somalis shouldn't get married from that gen. That gen and the kids of the following gens probably won't have the same problem.

Far too many selfish and entitled halimos and abdis. The only option for most is to marry out to a miskeen that would deal with there selfishness and has a fetish/simps for somalis.

Many are marrying out however the parents are getting in the way of Many when it comes to expanding there options outside of somalis so many stay single because they have different standards for somalis and different ones for ajnabis.

How can they have other standards for ajanabi when ajanabi isn’t even an alternative for us? #paradox.

 

[JJ300]

The issue is that women didn't have those Same opportunities back then and it was easy to live off a single wage. The difference is the time we are in. If all those groups came today they would be complaining all the same. The men could provide and buy houses with what little they had. You can't do that with the same lvl of ease in today's economy and women have basically equal rights in the west and are fully in the work force. Basically the difference is that women now have there own money so that loyality and waiting on a guy doesn't exist any more they will just do it themselves.

Women are rather logical in this department why wait or care for 45k abdi when they can go for anyone who will be making the same as them them and more. The only reason they ain't is cause hoyo and abo told them not to.

Its not true that it was easy to live of a single wage. Most women worked aswell maids or in the factories and clerks and secretaries after. And its not true they could easily own a home. Employers had to house then years later they would have been hit by discriminatory practices. The circumstances are pretty similar to those that faced us.

 

[Gaarasho]

@Odious Delirium and the rest

This is my analysis. Someone on twitter worded it perfectly:

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You really need a hug and a senior therapist.

 

[Mr steal your naag 2]

Honnestly iam in my early 20s and i could careless about marriage let allone marrying a somali women. Iam tryna build my career i dont need that bullshit and unnecessary headache. Also lets be honnest somalis marry eachother and 4 years later they divorce eachother for some BS reason

 

[Angelina]

Its not true that it was easy to live of a single wage. Most women worked aswell maids or in the factories and clerks and secretaries after. And its not true they could easily own a home. Employers had to house then years later they would have been hit by discriminatory practices. The circumstances are pretty similar to those that faced us.

Whilst you’re right that women did work, their earning abilities for capped. They’d be forced to work as maids, factory hands and agriculture. But now, women can become doctors, lawyers and the list goes on. Women have the ability to out earn men whilst in the past working class women were given less than even working class men even when they were putting in the same hours.

The circumstances isn’t the same.

 

[Odious Delirium]

Its not true that it was easy to live of a single wage. Most women worked aswell maids or in the factories and clerks and secretaries after. And its not true they could easily own a home. Employers had to house then years later they would have been hit by discriminatory practices. The circumstances are pretty similar to those that faced us.

I live around asians who where here a few gens before us all of them have multiple houses passed down from there great grandparents era in houses that was brought on the great granddads wage while there mothers stayed home. The ones that don't migrated at dates closer to us or at the same time as us. The difference is that wages and cost of living matched back then it no longer does now.

By the way all these guys are of traditionally Islamic background where men only worked. Some left there familes back home until they got a house in the uk then brought them over

 

[Angelina]

I live around asians who where here a few gens before us all of them have multiple houses passed down from there great grandparents era in houses that was brought on the great granddads wage while there mothers stayed home. The ones that don't migrated at dates closer to us or at the same time as us. The difference is that wages and cost of living matched back then it no longer does now.

By the way all these guys are of traditionally Islamic background where men only worked. Some left there familes back home until they got a house in the uk then brought them over

You could get a house in central London for £11k in the 60s which would be equivalent to £168k and that’s central London. Other areas were dirt cheap.

 

[Odious Delirium]

@Odious Delirium and the rest

This is my analysis. Someone on twitter worded it perfectly:

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Let me live my fantasy in peace plus I dont remember sharing most of the sentiment that's being projected in that post

I'm either gonna have it the way I want it or I'm just gonna clock out no two ways about it for me.

I know what I must do and what it will take

Plus the future is uncertain especially if your a muslim you would know that with the coming signs of judgement that things aren't gonna stay the same. I don't think life will be as secure as it is now. How this society operates now has reached it's peak and will only spiral downwards from here.

 

[no 3456]

Why are the men arguing with these Somali chicken head i.e present, future single mothers(on purpose) living of benefits/welfare, food stamp and council house/flat section 8

don't fall for the trap like the old head they will use you for the above then u to the curb

Oh I want a husband to provide, protect, cook, clean, wash the clothes do the dishes look after the kids or kids that don't belong to him(simp) while she sit at the couch watching tv, on the phone or going out with friends
who r these chicken head fooling lool

 

[JJ300]

Whilst you’re right that women did work, their earning abilities for capped. They’d be forced to work as maids, factory hands and agriculture. But now, women can become doctors, lawyers and the list goes on. Women have the ability to out earn men whilst in the past working class women were given less than even working class men even when they were putting in the same hours.

The circumstances isn’t the same.

That is true but is still only a small porportional change that wouldnt account for the larger shift in both attitude and outcome. It is (i would guess) a small porportion that are going on to be doctors or high earning lawyers and youd be suprised how theybe no real relative change in income between that maid and a normal office job today. I would argue theres another factor at play other then the advent of a small number of high paying jobs for a small number of people to shift these wider attitudes.

 

[Odious Delirium]

How can they have other standards for ajanabi when ajanabi isn’t even an alternative for us? #paradox.

Ajnabis have been romanticised and fetished look at the way guys and girls talk on this forum about cadaan/madow men and women. They always compare them to there somali counterpart and downplay there short comings because they have uqdad for there somali counterpart. Some somalis have put ajnabis on a pedestal. They demand a 10/10 somali but will settle for a 4/10 average wage ajnabi. That's the definition of have different standards for different groups. We see it play out time and time again when people post there ajnabi significant others on the net.

 

[Ozymandias]

I agree with your first point that not all men are equal. And even pre civil war Somalia not all men had wealth and ability to get women.

The second point that Somali women haven't given up on Somali men I would personally disagree. Many Somali women have given up on them. They diss them online and also are marrying ajnabi in droves. That shows me that 50% of Somali women have given up on us.

The other 50% that haven't given up on Somali men haven't done so due to famillial or strong cultural influence. They want to stick to their culture and most likely were raised in a very Somali culture orientated household.

But many Somali women have given up on us. And it is evident on how they bash us.

Who cares? I hope the best for these somali women, adios . Instead of thinking about useless stuff, think what can I do to make my life better? That's something that I've been thinking about lately, and it's very easy to pinpoint what etc. I've thankfully cut out alcohol out of my life and my lifestyle has drastically improved, this is just one example

 

[mohamedismail]

Who cares? I hope the best for these somali women, adios . Instead of thinking about useless stuff, think what can I do to make my life better? That's something that I've been thinking about lately, and it's very easy to pinpoint what etc. I've thankfully cut out alcohol out of my life and my lifestyle has drastically improved, this is just one example

I totally agree. I was just engaging from a discussion point of view.

It's better to focus on yourself and not dwell on these issue.

 

[Angelina]

That is true but is still only a small porportional change that wouldnt account for the larger shift in both attitude and outcome. It is (i would guess) a small porportion that are going on to be doctors or high earning lawyers and youd be suprised how theybe no real relative change in income between that maid and a normal office job today. I would argue theres another factor at play other then the advent of a small number of high paying jobs for a small number of people to shift these wider attitudes.

That’s a lie. A maid in the past would be in near poverty and would be the lowest rug of society. The work laws were harsher in those days as well. Society has progressed immensely and the comforts we take for granted wouldn’t have been imaginable less than 200yrs ago.

 

[El Nino]

Dadka qooqsan ba meeshan ku batay, tolow gabdhan gus may rabaan, mar kasta bay calaacalaan? . Ha isoo raadiyaan si fiican baan u dhoweyn lahaa

Niyow kaftanka dinac cusub aad geyse isdeji
Kkkk

 

[cooli3o]

That’s how you know it’s the end of times, women out populate men which = feminine men

That’s why you have a lot of male podcasters who just bittcch and complain on a mic like a woman

are you saying women b*tch and complain?
thats sexist

 

[cooli3o]

And mostly are Madow men

they are the most feminised

 

[Odious Delirium]

You could get a house in central London for £11k in the 60s which would be equivalent to £168k and that’s central London. Other areas were dirt cheap.

Exactly life is simply not the same and I'm just gonna adapt to what we have. If the way I want it is unfeasible (it's not) then I'll just clock out and carry on doing me.
Unless something crazy happens I don't think I'll settle for less but if someone makes me settle bellow what I wanted then I guess it wasn't settling because I'm adamant on not settling. They would have to be some sort of special case senario.