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Basra

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I'm not talking about "nurture versus nature" in the sense of going against nature. I'm for people being in line with nature.

By "nature versus nurture", I'm referring to the old debate about whether humans are shaped by nurture or nature. I say it's both.



Omar

I never believed in Nurture having any influence. I believe in Nature having ALL influence.



For example---gay people since childhood, they have been bombarded with images of heterosexual images. All moves are about a man and woman getting together sexually. Heteros are every where, it is the norm. How come that did not influence Gays to be str8???
 
Sensual timid man??? WTF?????
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I think he is a manchild turned sheikh
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Omar

I never believed in Nurture having any influence. I believe in Nature having influence.



For example---gay people since childhood, they have been bombarded with images of heterosexual images. All moves are about a man and woman getting together sexually. How come that did not influence them to be str8???

I say that's one of the two extremes- the position that it's all nature
or the position that's it's all nurture

I think it's the middle position. I definitely think people can be influenced.

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “No one is born except upon natural instinct, then his parents turn him into a Jew or Christian or Magian. As an animal produces their young with perfect limbs, do you see anything defective?”

Abu Huraira said, “Recite the verse if you wish: Direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth, the nature of Allah upon which he has created the people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah.” (30:30)

https://abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadi...is-born-upon-al-fitrah-monotheistic-instinct/

If everyone was following pure, innate nature, I think everyone would be Muslim.
 
Omar

I never believed in Nurture having any influence. I believe in Nature having ALL influence.



For example---gay people since childhood, they have been bombarded with images of heterosexual images. All moves are about a man and woman getting together sexually. Heteros are every where, it is the norm. How come that did not influence Gays to be str8???
Omar

I never believed in Nurture having any influence. I believe in Nature having ALL influence.



For example---gay people since childhood, they have been bombarded with images of heterosexual images. All moves are about a man and woman getting together sexually. Heteros are every where, it is the norm. How come that did not influence Gays to be str8???
But it is a extremily difficult topic, because we know that genetics and the external enviorment, plays a part in forming a human. But to which extent? Who knows, maybe 30 percent genetics and 70 percent nature? Scientist are still working on that answer.

But maybe also, some gays are more gay than others. Maybe some gays are 30 percent genetics and they can live a normal life, because the environmental pressures has not forced those part to active his gayness. But let's say, if he was touched by his uncle, then maybe his genetics in his brain would activate from 30 percent to 70 full blown gayness loool
 

Basra

LOVE is a product of Doqoniimo mixed with lust
Let Them Eat Cake
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I say that's one of the two extremes- the position that it's all nature
or the position that's it's all nurture

I think it's the middle position. I definitely think people can be influenced.

Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “No one is born except upon natural instinct, then his parents turn him into a Jew or Christian or Magian. As an animal produces their young with perfect limbs, do you see anything defective?”

Abu Huraira said, “Recite the verse if you wish: Direct your face toward the religion, inclining to truth, the nature of Allah upon which he has created the people. No change should there be in the creation of Allah.” (30:30)

https://abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadi...is-born-upon-al-fitrah-monotheistic-instinct/

If everyone was following pure, innate nature, I think everyone would be Muslim.



Agreed. If ALL of us from childhood were guided by Islam , i think our lives would be completely different.


But we have to separete superficial innateness to intrinsic innate nature.. For example a Sheikh Father will raise a Sheikh son, most of the times. Same with A doctor father, his son also will be a doctor.


But sexuality is a different beast. A feminine father, begets a feminine son
 

Basra

LOVE is a product of Doqoniimo mixed with lust
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But it is a extremily difficult topic, because we know that genetics and the external enviorment plays a part in forming a humans, but to which extent? who knows, maybe 30 percent genetics and 70 percent nature? Scientist are still working on that answer.

But maybe also, some gay are more gay than others. Maybe some gays are 30 percent genetics and they can live a normal life, because the environmental pressures has not forced those part to active his gayness. But let's say, if he was touched by his uncle, then maybe his genetics in his bray would activate from 30 percent to 70 full blown gayness loool


Alcha


A good example of nature vs nurture.


Nature: I like hyper masculine men. ( i would cry--spank me daddy, but a feminine man saying that? I will say, do u want a spank too half daddy?)


Nurture : I have fetishes due to the novels and literature i read about what we do in the bedroom. Tis is a learned influence.
 
Alcha


A good example of nature vs nurture.


Nature: I like hyper masculine men. ( i would cry--spank me daddy, but a feminine man saying that? I will say, do u want a spank too half daddy?)


Nurture : I have fetishes due to the novels and literature i read about what we do in the bedroom. Tis is a learned influence.
true, i got them mixed up. Genetics= nature, nurture=environment. Halfman loool
 

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But it is a extremily difficult topic, because we know that genetics and the external enviorment, plays a part in forming a human. But to which extent? Who knows, maybe 30 percent genetics and 70 percent nature?

I agree, it is very difficult.

I have a book on how to alter the human mind and human personality- basically a manual on how to "brainwash" people

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There is a science to how it is and can be done. You can "re-educate" people. There's a whole science of how you do it.

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There's a whole science to how you can manipulate people psychologically. And so even if we try to say it's 70% or 30% or the other- it's even more complicated than that- what is their environment? What are their environnmental influences? How invasive are these influences? There's a lot of factors. The manipulation of human psychology is.... a big topic. You can most certainly "re-educate" people.

There is a dark science here that I am only hinting at. The manipulation of human psychology is a reality.

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I actually can say a lot more than I am saying here on the subject. I'm really saying very little. I'm only hinting at very introductory stuff. All I want to emphasize is that the manipulation of human psychology is a reality. The weird stuff being seen in society right now.... it is far from natural.
 
Alcha


A good example of nature vs nurture.


Nature: I like hyper masculine men. ( i would cry--spank me daddy, but a feminine man saying that? I will say, do u want a spank too half daddy?)


Nurture : I have fetishes due to the novels and literature i read about what we do in the bedroom. Tis is a learned influence.
What i ment was. Certain genetic phenotype are behaving different to certain envirmental pressures. Which means a spessific gene can behave in different ways, predicated on the external pressures from the environment. So, some genes are inactive during life, and becomes active unders certain conditions. For example a person that has a alchoholic father will most likely be less in control when drinking, and has much higher chance of becoming an alchoholic also. Because certain heritable inactive genes in his brain activated through drinking. And i personally think this is also a big factor in most things in life, being gay included. To which extent, that is dificult to say before we get more studies on the subject
 
I agree, it is very difficult.

I have a book on how to alter the human mind and human personality- basically a manual on how to "brainwash" people

41R8wgDi7FL._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


There is a science to how it is and can be done. You can "re-educate" people. There's a whole science of how you do it.

61PAMcc2MEL.jpg


Propaganda_Jacques_Ellul_1973.jpg


51%2B-SDZmb9L._SX317_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


51K%2Bs2FRYWL._SX334_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


There's a whole science to how you can manipulate people psychologically. And so even if we try to say it's 70% or 30% or the other- it's even more complicated than that- what is their environment? What are their environnmental influences? How invasive are these influences? There's a lot of factors. The manipulation of human psychology is.... a big topic. You can most certainly "re-educate" people.

There is a dark science here that I am only hinting at. The manipulation of human psychology is a reality.

51hIKPUJ8gL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


51NY-qY6ijL._SX317_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


I actually can say a lot more than I am saying here on the subject. I'm really saying very little. I'm only hinting at very introductory stuff. All I want to emphasize is that the manipulation of human psychology is a reality. The weird stuff being seen in society right now.... it is far from natural.
Thank you! Im super interested in human psychology and i know the big corporations are using their understanding of human psychology to exploit and to earn money. This is done through advetisment and commercialization of psychology to promote our throwaway consumer culture. Edward Bernays was the father of public relations and the first person to start this process. Our lack of knowledge on the human psychology are making us vulnerable, and the best defence for such exploitation is more knowledge. So ty for the books. If you are also interested in boring long but cool documenteries, then click bellow.
I can give you many others, but this one ties in many professions and forms a coherent criticism to this consumer behavior. And the creators are very competent in their respective fields, if you want to look them up.
 

Omar del Sur

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Thank you! Im super interested in human psychology and i know the big corporations are using their understanding of human psychology to exploit and to earn money. This is done through advetisment and commercialization of psychology to promote our throwaway consumer culture. Edward Bernays was the father of public relations and the first person to start this process. Our lack of knowledge on the human psychology are making us vulnerable, and the best defence for such exploitation is more knowledge. So ty for the books. If you are also interested in boring long but cool documenteries, then click bellow.
I can give you many others, but this one ties in many professions and forms a coherent criticism to this consumer behavior. And the creators are very comentent on their respective fields, if you want to look them up.

Glad you know about Edward Bernays. That is a good thing. I think I've heard about the Zeitgeist stuff. I'm not really into Zeitgeist- I think I heard they were anti-religion or promoting New Age religion. I think I have to look it up.

"Part I claims that the Christian religion is mainly derived from other religions, astronomical assertions, astrological myths, and other traditions. In furtherance of the Jesus myth hypothesis, this part disputes the historicity of Jesus, who, it claims, is a literary and astrological hybrid, nurtured by political forces and opportunists. Part I was influenced by the work of Acharya S.[4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist_(film_series)

I think I actually saw a video somewhere claiming Zeitgeist was promoting New Age or something like that. Because of religious differences, I'm not really for Zeitgeist. A lot of what it talks about probably or might be true, though. I wouldn't be surprised if Zeitgeist mentions Bernays, for example.
 
Glad you know about Edward Bernays. That is a good thing. I think I've heard about the Zeitgeist stuff. I'm not really into Zeitgeist- I think I heard they were anti-religion or promoting New Age religion. I think I have to look it up.

"Part I claims that the Christian religion is mainly derived from other religions, astronomical assertions, astrological myths, and other traditions. In furtherance of the Jesus myth hypothesis, this part disputes the historicity of Jesus, who, it claims, is a literary and astrological hybrid, nurtured by political forces and opportunists. Part I was influenced by the work of Acharya S.[4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist_(film_series)

I think I actually saw a video somewhere claiming Zeitgeist was promoting New Age or something like that. I wouldn't be surprised if Zeitgeist mentions Bernays, for example. However, because of differences in religion, I'm not really for Zeitgeist. A lot of what it talks about probably or might be true, though.
Their first video is a criticism of all religions, but that is not part of this one. This one dwelves into problems we have, real problems and how to fix the solutions through common sense, science and current techonogy. Just watch it, so you can form your own thought on the matter. Btw, it is not a new age religion. But im not a propronent of zeitgest movement either, but this video is on point.
 
Ex black boxer. Had 10 children with several baby moms and a fiance. He was also downlow. He needed money and did gay sex video with 2 men. Then he said he was drugged...eventually he came out gay. He was gay the whole time but said was compensating for it to be with all these women. There is strong anti gay in the black community. So you will se a lot of downlow guys like this
 
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