Every time I debate my super religious friends, none of them can actually say why they oppose secularism. They always try to tie it with atheism and gay rights lol. The protections we've been given in the west to practice our religion under secularism are better than under Sharia
What’s wrong with them wanting no intrest? It’s a scam@DR OSMAN ive told Somalis about the importance of banks and funding entrepreneurs, they go crazy when they hear ribba. They want free loans or some Islamic finance that doesn’t exist. Even Saudis have interest charging.
@DR OSMAN ive told Somalis about the importance of banks and funding entrepreneurs, they go crazy when they hear ribba. They want free loans or some Islamic finance that doesn’t exist. Even Saudis have interest charging.
@DR OSMAN ive told Somalis about the importance of banks and funding entrepreneurs, they go crazy when they hear ribba. They want free loans or some Islamic finance that doesn’t exist. Even Saudis have interest charging.
This is Omar in Somalia while me with the board sign
Why should Disbelief be given less rights then this god seeking maniac? Belief n Disbelief will stand side by side forever as god ordained it, no-one can change it, now let's secure the right of the disbelievers
the atheists cannot actually disprove God. with them, it is about psychological techniques rather than the logic that they claim to esteem so much.
it is about mockery and repetition with them. they cannot actually prove their position by pure argument.
that's why they have the "sky daddy" cliches" and they tend to be very insulting. genuine religious people are polite and friendly. the atheists come in a way where a lot of it just about insulting you.
I mean that's my thing.....
if the atheists really represent logic then why is so much of their preaching based on insulting religion and religious people?
if you look at programming languages, math or even construction work (building a house is not very different than building a software program).....
those kinds of things are actual representations of things based on pure logic. pure logic is something like a programming logic.
the atheists talk like they are the "Salafis"of logic but they don't actually live it. if they really actually followed the sort of pure logical thinking they claim they follow then they wouldn't need to rely on insults and repetition. what they use is more based on psychological techniques than it on pure logic.
but if you'd like to make any points and you'd like me to answer them, I don't mind as long it's an intellectual sort of discussion
Thank you for demonstrating for my point.
And as per the terms on which I agreed to a debate- the debate is concluded.
Rooble at least you are not hypocritical. These muslims love the fruits of secularism such as medicine, tech, engineering, science, entertainment, but they hate secularism itself
The govt promotes shariah law as the law of the land yet they sure love that ribbah loans from the IMF, these people are confused. They sure love all that western charities which also is ribbah origins, waan cuna bakhti lakin dalka laguma hukumi karo is insanity. They don't even allow commercial banks to operate in Somalia that is ribbah yet the govt n charities are all ribbah based currencies. They even use the dollar oo laftigeeda ribbah saaran.
@Omar del Sur u didn't respond to the following problems in Islam
1. Allah forgives sin but never forgives satan
2. Allah punished satan for disobeying his orders to bow to adam yet bowing to anyone outside of allah is unforgiveable sin, Satan was stuck in a dead-end, doomed if he does, doomed if he doesn't.
3. Allah is unknowable to Muslims, yet they pray to something that is unknowable. U might as well pray to to nothingness
4. Deeds vs Sin. Your god weighs up sins like it's ok for u but not ok for satan to be judged like that. How does deeds work logically, u say allah has everything, so what can u give him he doesn't have? illogical statement to suggest muslims must do something for this allah like prayer, fast, charity, when he doesn't need it
5. Hadith teaches women are 50% intellectually inferior, there is no substance in this statement, yet they hold it to be a 'truth' even after science can show and proof to them in a lab setting there is no biological difference between men and women intelligence. That is when faith is guiding his heart not his actual mind anymore, this is what I deem a cult or dogma.
6. Why does your quran sound like it's a man talking, why would every surah start like it's prayer 'in the name of allah, the magnificient' lol. Why would Allah say that about himself? that sounds like someone is writing human prayer and then recounting 'ancient stories'. At least the bible admits it is from other human sources documenting it. Quran says it is direct word of god, it doesn't appear to be something a direct god would say.
The last part.@Omar del Sur u didn't respond to the following problems in Islam
1. Allah forgives sin but never forgives satan
2. Allah punished satan for disobeying his orders to bow to adam yet bowing to anyone outside of allah is unforgiveable sin, Satan was stuck in a dead-end, doomed if he does, doomed if he doesn't.
3. Allah is unknowable to Muslims, yet they pray to something that is unknowable. U might as well pray to to nothingness
4. Deeds vs Sin. Your god weighs up sins like it's ok for u but not ok for satan to be judged like that. How does deeds work logically, u say allah has everything, so what can u give him he doesn't have? illogical statement to suggest muslims must do something for this allah like prayer, fast, charity, when he doesn't need it
5. Hadith teaches women are 50% intellectually inferior, there is no substance in this statement, yet they hold it to be a 'truth' even after science can show and proof to them in a lab setting there is no biological difference between men and women intelligence. That is when faith is guiding his heart not his actual mind anymore, this is what I deem a cult or dogma.
6. Why does your quran sound like it's a man talking, why would every surah start like it's prayer 'in the name of allah, the magnificient' lol. Why would Allah say that about himself? that sounds like someone is writing human prayer and then recounting 'ancient stories'. At least the bible admits it is from other human sources documenting it. Quran says it is direct word of god, it doesn't appear to be something a direct god would say.
@Omar del Sur u didn't respond to the following problems in Islam
1. Allah forgives sin but never forgives satan
2. Allah punished satan for disobeying his orders to bow to adam yet bowing to anyone outside of allah is unforgiveable sin, Satan was stuck in a dead-end, doomed if he does, doomed if he doesn't.
3. Allah is unknowable to Muslims, yet they pray to something that is unknowable. U might as well pray to to nothingness
4. Deeds vs Sin. Your god weighs up sins like it's ok for u but not ok for satan to be judged like that. How does deeds work logically, u say allah has everything, so what can u give him he doesn't have? illogical statement to suggest muslims must do something for this allah like prayer, fast, charity, when he doesn't need it
5. Hadith teaches women are 50% intellectually inferior, there is no substance in this statement, yet they hold it to be a 'truth' even after science can show and proof to them in a lab setting there is no biological difference between men and women intelligence. That is when faith is guiding his heart not his actual mind anymore, this is what I deem a cult or dogma.
6. Why does your quran sound like it's a man talking, why would every surah start like it's prayer 'in the name of allah, the magnificient' lol. Why would Allah say that about himself? that sounds like someone is writing human prayer and then recounting 'ancient stories'. At least the bible admits it is from other human sources documenting it. Quran says it is direct word of god, it doesn't appear to be something a direct god would say.