Does Somalia Need A Powerful Sugar-Daddy?

[TooMacaan]

Hypocrite.
We are going to dish out what you gave us.time to get back Somaliweyn plus a big little extra

pretty much. I'd sell myself to the devil if it meant the devil would help me bring you lot to you knees.
If we ever get the upper hand, you already know what will happen.

This is why Africans will never progress. Instead of thinking about the prosperity of your people as well as innocent civilians of BOTH countries, you are stuck in the past, revenge, and blood thirst. It's no different than tribal BS, really, and it's sad because we are supposed to be developing not regressing. What you promote is a vicious cycle and the biggest/only losers here?? It is the average working class people on both sides.

You can't be mad at the Ethio gov for doing what it's doing when you admit you DREAM of doing the same. I can only speak for myself, but that's not what my dreams are...I hope to get to a point where we are truly sovereign, where the interests of ALL citizens overcome, and where we never have to rely on these so called "sugar daddies". One day.

 

[Ferrari]

This is why Africans will never progress. Instead of thinking about the prosperity of your people as well as innocent civilians of BOTH countries, you are stuck in the past, revenge, and blood thirst. It's no different than tribal BS, really, and it's sad because we are supposed to be developing not regressing. What you promote is a vicious cycle and the biggest/only losers here?? It is the average working class people on both sides.

You can't be mad at the Ethio gov for doing what it's doing when you admit you DREAM of doing the same. I can only speak for myself, but that's not what my dreams are...I hope to get to a point where we are truly sovereign, where the interests of ALL citizens overcome, and where we never have to rely on these so called "sugar daddies". One day.

oh how easy it is to 'coexist' and think about the 'people' when it is you who has all the advantages.
The things Ethiopia has done will not be forgotten. Call it regression, vengeance or backward but when the time comes, we will call it justice. The amount of people Ethiopia killed in the ogaden, the amount they tortured and raped just to force obedience is in the tens of thousands. How do you expect us to forget that? It isn't just in the ogaden, they invaded somalia, and they are in there as we speak killing innocent people.



How hypocrite are you anyway? You talk about progress and peace and moving forward but you fail to acknowledge the things your country does. This is precisely why I say it isn't jut the regime who should be punish but the people as well. People like you who support the atrocities your government commits. After we hold parts of Ethiopia, kill tens of thousands of you, rape the same amount of women, we will talk about coexisting, not before.

 

[XamarCade]

oh how easy it is to 'coexist' and think about the 'people' when it is you who has all the advantages.
The things Ethiopia has done will not be forgotten. Call it regression, vengeance or backward but when the time comes, we will call it justice. The amount of people Ethiopia killed in the ogaden, the amount they tortured and raped just to force obedience is in the tens of thousands. How do you expect us to forget that? It isn't just in the ogaden, they invaded somalia, and they are in there as we speak killing innocent people.



How hypocrite are you anyway? You talk about progress and peace and moving forward but you fail to acknowledge the things your country does. This is precisely why I say it isn't jut the regime who should be punish but the people as well. People like you who support the atrocities your government commits. After we hold parts of Ethiopia, kill tens of thousands of you, rape the same amount of women, we will talk about coexisting, not before.

we don't have to dirty our hands, all we have to do is arm the oromos to the teeth and have them flood Addis Ababa

 

[DrippinglyWet]

This is why Africans will never progress. Instead of thinking about the prosperity of your people as well as innocent civilians of BOTH countries, you are stuck in the past, revenge, and blood thirst. It's no different than tribal BS, really, and it's sad because we are supposed to be developing not regressing. What you promote is a vicious cycle and the biggest/only losers here?? It is the average working class people on both sides.

You can't be mad at the Ethio gov for doing what it's doing when you admit you DREAM of doing the same. I can only speak for myself, but that's not what my dreams are...I hope to get to a point where we are truly sovereign, where the interests of ALL citizens overcome, and where we never have to rely on these so called "sugar daddies". One day.

So all is well and forgiven are we supposed to hug and be friends ? Somalia was never the agressor in the history of our existance. YOU (Ethiopian gov) took Ogaden and hurt them. You even decided to help the Colonisers fight the Dervish.
YOU funded the rebels and flood our countries with guns for two decades whispering in the ear of Warlords and regional leaders.
Doing everything in your power for 3 decades to prevent a Somali gov from forming.
Tell me one instant where Somalis where the instagators in our millennia long conflict ?

Stop trying to push this narrative of a friendly Ethiopia and meany Somalia.
You guys are occupying eritrean land for fucks sake don't talk about muh Ethiopia will respect borders

 

[GeKo]

Somalia is this state because of our unreliable leaders. Siad barre was left hanging by the big boys because he use to flipflop alliances. If he stuck to one sugar daddy, he wouldn't be dropped. If your word means nothing, nobody will take a risk for you. All the crazy dictators that are being kept on life support are at least reliable in terms of their course.

I disagree, Pres. Nasser of Egypt flipped alliances whenever he didn't get his way for his country and remained neutral during the cold war.

He was also irritated by Nasser's neutrality and attempts to play both sides of the Cold War. At the time, other western allies in the Middle East, including Turkey and Iraq, were irritated and jealous that Egypt, a persistently neutral country, was being offered so much aid.

The guy was a tactician on what his country needed most, which were electricity production to power industrialization and a strong modern military which are what Somalia needs as well

Although Dulles believed that Nasser was only bluffing and that the USSR would not aid Nasser, he was wrong— the USSR promised Nasser a quantity of arms in exchange for a deferred payment of Egyptian grain and cotton. On 27 September 1955, Nasser announced an arms deal, with Czechoslovakia acting as a middleman for the Soviet support.[8]Instead of attacking Nasser for turning to the Soviets, Dulles sought to improve relations with him. This explains the later offer of December 1955, in which the U.S. and Britain pledged $56 and $14 million respectively towards the construction of the dam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aswan_Dam

 

[Ferrari]

we don't have to dirty our hands, all we have to do is arm the oromos to the teeth and have them flood Addis Ababa

The thirst for blood will only be quenched if we spill the blood. If it were up to me, Stalin would look like Gandhi in comparison.

 

[Ras]

(A) Russia, Iran , China ????

or

(B) USA,Germany,UK ????

or
(C) Arab world (we all no this is not an option in less than 40 years there will be no rich arab world their oil is diminishing, and then the US will finally turn on them)

Option A in my opinion seem legitimate and more reliable , America is too greedy , Germany fluctuates with every leader and the UK is the biggest back up dancer alive.

Russia is incredibly reliable won't let you down (look to syria , all that controversy still backing syria) , china is the same still supplies north korea despite controversy and propaganda in the west and Iran has a back bone (unlike those corrupt arab leader) and stands up for its self.

Somalia can offer Russia uranium we know they'll kill for that stuff , china can benefit from our fish and oil with perhaps lower taxes?? i dunno , Iran can also benefit from uranium and also among other things we have to offer , remember our strategic positioning makes us valuable to any nation.

Russia already dumped us after realizing we're not loyal ourselves. Also it knows not to interfere in Somalia as the Gulf considers the Horn it's backyard and Russia can't afford another enemy.

China only cares about it's own long term goals and won't aid us in any way as they are known not to do so in global conflicts. Their economic relationship with Ethiopia and the future East Africa Community will be another reason not to enter the dirty waters called the Horn.

The West is the best option for a strong alley but people here don't realize that this faction isn't just made out of sovereign nations. It's a cornucopia of political interests, corporations and elite families. We only have to appease a dozen multinationals and powerful families and the West will allow us to rebuild without too much external interference.

 

[Prince Abubu]

Why not let Ethiopia use you to rise (instead of resisting so hard and making it difficult), then once we've become established we'll be your sugar daddy ^.^
There is no need to get cadaans, dhegcas, or these Turks; you are better off with people who are similar to your kind, ya know? :siilaanyolaugh:

And what would we get in return? A lifetime supply of raw meat? AIDs?

 

[TooMacaan]

oh how easy it is to 'coexist' and think about the 'people' when it is you who has all the advantages.
The things Ethiopia has done will not be forgotten. Call it regression, vengeance or backward but when the time comes, we will call it justice. The amount of people Ethiopia killed in the ogaden, the amount they tortured and raped just to force obedience is in the tens of thousands. How do you expect us to forget that? It isn't just in the ogaden, they invaded somalia, and they are in there as we speak killing innocent people.



How hypocrite are you anyway? You talk about progress and peace and moving forward but you fail to acknowledge the things your country does. This is precisely why I say it isn't jut the regime who should be punish but the people as well. People like you who support the atrocities your government commits. After we hold parts of Ethiopia, kill tens of thousands of you, rape the same amount of women, we will talk about coexisting, not before.

You are unnecessarily playing the victim. Focus on the present instead of the past and in this current day, it is NOT only Somalis in Ethiopia who are suffering, being raped, tortured, etc. it's also other Ethiopians too ok?? Some of my people are going through the same thing that those in galbeed go through so I don't know where you get this idea that I'm getting any advantages??? Wtf?? The only difference between us IN THIS CURRENT DAY is that I've accepted that it is useless to be bitter about everything, we all have to move on sometime. That's life.

 

[TooMacaan]

So all is well and forgiven are we supposed to hug and be friends ? Somalia was never the agressor in the history of our existance. YOU (Ethiopian gov) took Ogaden and hurt them. You even decided to help the Colonisers fight the Dervish.
YOU funded the rebels and flood our countries with guns for two decades whispering in the ear of Warlords and regional leaders.
Doing everything in your power for 3 decades to prevent a Somali gov from forming.
Tell me one instant where Somalis where the instagators in our millennia long conflict ?

Stop trying to push this narrative of a friendly Ethiopia and meany Somalia.
You guys are occupying eritrean land for fucks sake don't talk about muh Ethiopia will respect borders

I am not the Ethio gov(neither past or present). Don't use me interchangeably.

 

[Ferrari]

You are unnecessarily playing the victim. Focus on the present instead of the past and in this current day, it is NOT only Somalis in Ethiopia who are suffering, being raped, tortured, etc. it's also other Ethiopians too ok?? Some of my people are going through the same thing that those in galbeed go through so I don't know where you get this idea that I'm getting any advantages??? Wtf?? The only difference between us IN THIS CURRENT DAY is that I've accepted that it is useless to be bitter about everything, we all have to move on sometime. That's life.

Others in the region are suffering so it's alright if we do too? How about no? I don't want to forgive either. How about that? You accepting it doesn't mean we do and yes we are the victims.

You can't occupy a region that doesn't belong to you, kill and torture the people there and expect peacefully coexist with them.

The only way forward would be to hand over the somali galbeed, gtfo out of somalia and don't ever even look at our way and even that wouldn't be enough since the innocent people who were murdered have not gotten justice.

I still don't understand how you can sit there and tell us to get over it. only the xoolo in our midst will fall for that kind of garbage. We will get our revenge even if it takes a thousand years. I just hope to be living when that happens.

 

[TooMacaan]

Others in the region are suffering so it's alright if we do too? How about no? I don't want to forgive either. How about that? You accepting it doesn't mean we do and yes we are the victims.

You can't occupy a region that doesn't belong to you, kill and torture the people there and expect peacefully coexist with them.

The only way forward would be to hand over the somali galbeed, gtfo out of somalia and don't ever even look at our way and even that wouldn't be enough since the innocent people who were murdered have not gotten justice.

I still don't understand how you can sit there and tell us to get over it. All the xoolo in our midst will fall for that kind of garbage. We will get our revenge even if it takes a thousand years. I just hope to be living when that happens.

No, what I'm saying is that it is absolutely ludicrous to tell me that I am getting advantage of other victims being oppressed when some of my people are also in similar situations. I get NO advantages. And as I said before, my government (past or present) is not interchangeable with me or many of the innocent civilians on the ground regardless of ethnicity. You are obviously blood thirsty and want more than justice, you want revenge and I can't help you heal that.

 

[Ferrari]

No, what I'm saying is that it is absolutely ludicrous to tell me that I am getting advantage of other victims being oppressed when some of my people are also in similar situations. I get NO advantages. And as I said before, my government (past or present) is not interchangeable with me or many of the innocent civilians on the ground regardless of ethnicity. You are obviously blood thirsty and want more than justice, you want revenge and I can't help you heal that.

No you are telling me to get over it. I lost family members to your regime and since you support it, you are just as guilty and should be held accountable for whatever they do. Don't come out here and trivialize what's happening there. No other region in ethipia has been targeted s much as we have naya and you know it. Your people were the ones oppressing our people at some point. Do me a favor, when Ethiopia crumbles, go back, and let me know where you are, I'll heal then.

 

[Gambar]

Others in the region are suffering so it's alright if we do too? How about no? I don't want to forgive either. How about that? You accepting it doesn't mean we do and yes we are the victims.

You can't occupy a region that doesn't belong to you, kill and torture the people there and expect peacefully coexist with them.

The only way forward would be to hand over the somali galbeed, gtfo out of somalia and don't ever even look at our way and even that wouldn't be enough since the innocent people who were murdered have not gotten justice.

I still don't understand how you can sit there and tell us to get over it. only the xoolo in our midst will fall for that kind of garbage. We will get our revenge even if it takes a thousand years. I just hope to be living when that happens.

I'm very suspicious of that persons motives.

 

[Bahal]

I've been trying to get the US to be our sugar daddy for a while now.

Make us the African South Korea senpai

 

[Ferrari]

I'm very suspicious of that persons motives.

isn't it clear? kuwa caqliga yar inay duufsato baa loo soo diray.

 

[GeKo]

West: Advantage-Can help with security and lifting off arms embargo from Somalia.
Disadvantage- Will use you as a puppet and tip our fragile country into war if we go astray from their interests.
China: Advantage- Can help in building investing in infrastructure and developing our fledgling industries. Isn't as imperialistic as the west.
Disadvantage- If you get too cozy with them, the west will play with our fragility or stop supporting as much
Russia: Disadvantage- Will cheat on us & back stab for Ethiopia.
Gulf: Although are biggest trading partner we need to move carefully with them since I believe they're funding the chaos in Somalia.
They see us as more of a competitor than a partner in the region and will undermine us and Turkey in every way as can be seen with DPworld. DPworld already fucked over Yemen and Djibouti's ports. With Somalia being a potential oil producer we could take some of their market share.

I propose first decade to be closer with the West to boost our security and once we're strong enough to not get screwed over by them we move to China to help build our infrastructure needs and develop our other industries. This is the same strategy Ethiopia is using currently but the west is starting to cut down its military assistance and aid to Ethiopia for getting to cozy with China.

 

[DrippinglyWet]

I am not the Ethio gov(neither past or present). Don't use me interchangeably.

just making clear that Ethio gov does not have any right to do what it has been doing, it is an agressor with no Noble motive unlike what you are saying we don't have a history of interferince in other countries.

 

[TooMacaan]

No you are telling me to get over it. I lost family members to your regime and since you support it, you are just as guilty and should be held accountable for whatever they do. Don't come out here and trivialize what's happening there. No other region in ethipia has been targeted s much as we have naya and you know it. Your people were the ones oppressing our people at some point. Do me a favor, when Ethiopia crumbles, go back, and let me know where you are, I'll heal then.

I'm not trivializing your pain, obviously you have a right to be upset. I just don't like this whole oppression Olympics thing, if you are going to bring it to that I'd actually argue that the Oromos suffer way more than Ogadenis and more Oromos in the diaspora are vocal about being anti-regime while there are many Ogadenis in the diaspora who support the regime. What do you think of these people, your own people? Do you wish revenge against them too?

 

[Bahal]

The thirst for blood will only be quenched if we spill the blood. If it were up to me, Stalin would look like Gandhi in comparison.

This is what I want to hear