Did somalis enslave people or did somalis get enslaved?

[I've spoken]

They were taken during Jihad

That makes it okay in Islamic terms, right?

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

They were taken during Jihad

So kidnapping women and children in raiding parties is now jihad? The same with the Swahili slave trade. They would lure innocent children by offering them dates and then kidnap them on their boats. Berbers done the same thing in Europe as well.

 

[GeKo]

1.25 million slaves in 50 years.



What right do they just to kidnap random people and take them as slaves? The Prophet (saw) said that enslaving a free person is a major sin.

The main reason why Somalis weren't enslaved is because we're nomads. A Geeljire would kill his master the second he had the chance unlike the docile Bantus.

In those days, Ethnic groups would go to war and the losing side were enslaved mainly muslim and non muslim since Somali, Afar, Harari were united in a kingdom. And kidnapping did occur which is prohibited in Islam. At the time it was their right to enslave the losing side, no matter how bad it looks today.
And what about our cushitic relatives Oromo, Sidama & Gurage that were enslaved, were they docile too?. The main difference from the Arab slave trade from others is that it was mainly females who were concubines and domestic helps, and little boys to become eunuchs (dickless servants). Do you expect women and emasculated little boys to fight back?

 

[Bahal]

That makes it okay in Islamic terms, right?

In jihad, yes

So kidnapping women and children in raiding parties is now jihad? The same with the Swahili slave trade. They would lure innocent children by offering them dates and then kidnap them on their boats. Berbers done the same thing in Europe as well.

The Arabs tended to ignore the rules. They even went as far as preventing missions among their preferred targets because if they became Muslim, they'd lose their source of slaves.

 

[Kaleel]

Contrary to popular belief Somalis were in fact slaves as well as slavers. They were abysmal slavers since they did not use slaves as economic tools, they kept them in peasantry. You would think someone figure out how to use manpower to construct infrastructure in agriculture or housing but they were content with their tiny little huts. One thing they did use them for were sex. Somali slave owners would keep Bantu women as concubines.

 

[GeKo]

In jihad, yes



The Arabs tended to ignore the rules. They even went as far as preventing missions among their preferred targets because if they became Muslim, they'd lose their source of slaves.

Could possibly be the reason why many Bantus aren't Muslim. Kenya, Tanzania and Malawi could've been majority muslim if it wasn't for them trying not to make them muslim to get a continous supply of slaves

 

[I've spoken]

You lot know nothing about Islam if you think slavery is forbidden. Muslims have been doing it for thousands of years as it is completely permissible in Islam.

The religion of peace indeed.

 

[embarassing]

You lot know nothing about Islam if you think slavery is forbidden. Muslims have been doing it for thousands of years as it is completely permissible in Islam.

Muslims doing something doesn't make it permissible in Islam.

 

[I've spoken]

Muslims doing something doesn't make it permissible in Islam.

Read the Quran verses and hadith I posted above than. Muslim nations wouldn't do it for thousands of years if it was haram, they had complete permission in your precious holy book.

 

[Bahal]

Contrary to popular belief Somalis were in fact slaves as well as slavers. They were abysmal slavers since they did not use slaves as economic tools, they kept them in peasantry. You would think someone figure out how to use manpower to construct infrastructure in agriculture or housing but they were content with their tiny little huts. One thing they did use them for were sex. Somali slave owners would keep Bantu women as concubines.

Literally everything you said is false Abdi Johnson

 

[Kaleel]

Literally everything you said is false Abdi Johnson

That's a good argument.

 

[GeKo]

Contrary to popular belief Somalis were in fact slaves as well as slavers. They were abysmal slavers since they did not use slaves as economic tools, they kept them in peasantry. You would think someone figure out how to use manpower to construct infrastructure in agriculture or housing but they were content with their tiny little huts. One thing they did use them for were sex. Somali slave owners would keep Bantu women as concubines.

I don't believe thats true. Somalis didn't keep Bantus as concubines but would actually sell them off circumcised or use as domestic helps

In terms of legal considerations, Bantu slaves were devalued. Somali social mores strongly discouraged, censured and looked down upon any kind of sexual contact with Bantu slaves. Freedom for these plantation slaves was also often acquired through escape.[40]

As part of a broader practice then common among slave owners in Northeast Africa, some Somali masters in the hinterland near Mogadishu reportedly used to circumcise their female slaves so as to increase the latter's perceived value in the slave market. In 1609, the Portuguese missionary João dos Santos reported that one such group had a "custome to sew up their females, especially their slaves being young to make them unable for conception, which makes these slaves sell dearer, both for their chastitie, and for better confidence which their masters put in them."[15]

But they did have different treatment of Oromo though.

On an individual basis, Oromo subjects were not viewed as racially Madow by their Somali captors.[3] The Oromo captives also mostly consisted of young children and women, both of whom were taken into the families of their abductors; men were usually killed during the raids. Oromo boys and girls were adopted by their Somali patrons as their own children. Prized for their beauty and viewed as legitimate sexual partners, many Oromo women became either wives or concubines of their Somali captors, while others became domestic servants.[2][19] In some cases, entire Oromo clans were assimilated on a client basis into the Somali clan system.[2]

Oddly our ancestors practiced a form of eugenics to keep the look we have today. Eugenics is the only explanation of how we were able to keep our look in Africa, since if they weren't too picky back then, we wouldn't be distinguishable from other bantus today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Somalia#cite_note-Anderson-2

 

[Kaleel]

I don't believe thats true. Somalis didn't keep Bantus as concubines but would actually sell them off circumcised or use as domestic helps


But they did have different treatment of Oromo though.


Oddly our ancestors practiced a form of eugenics to keep the look we have today. Eugenics is the only explanation of how we were able to keep our look in Africa, since if they weren't too picky back then, we wouldn't be distinguishable from other bantus today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Somalia#cite_note-Anderson-2

You'll find the information online if you search for it, I know Professor Eno wrote about it.

 

[GeKo]

You'll find the information online if you search for it, I know Professor Eno wrote about it.

You sure bro, Prof. Eno has his own agenda to push. If Somalis did practice this and knowing how weak Somali genes are we'd have waaay more Bantu looking Somalis but whatever floats your boat.

 

[Kaleel]

You sure bro, Prof. Eno has his own agenda to push. If Somalis did practice this and knowing how weak Somali genes are we'd have waaay more Bantu looking Somalis but whatever floats your boat.

We do have "Bantu looking Somalis" around. Not only did Somali have sex with the slaves, they would also claim ownership of offsprings produced by slave couples. So they were despicable to say the least.

 

[Sixth]

@Kaleel are you Bantu?

 

[Kaleel]

@Kaleel are you Bantu?

No I am Somali.

 

[Apollo]

You'll find the information online if you search for it, I know Professor Eno wrote about it.

That Eno fellow is a despicable character with no credibility whatsoever.

 

[Sixth]

No I am Somali.

First time I've heard of a Somali oo ka soo qalin jibiyay jaamacatul Professor Eno.

 

[embarassing]

That Eno fellow is a despicable character with no credibility whatsoever.

don't speak ill of the dead, AUN.