Debate a Communist

[Radical]

Reading through this thread has shown me that you believe in a class system of some kind, wealth accumulation but not done obscenely. So why do you call yourself a communist?

Being a communist or a socialist doesn't mean you absolutely believe that everyone is equal or should get equal pay, no matter what you do there will always be some form of disparity between individuals, that's just human nature, it's about accepting this harsh fact and doing whatever necessary to get rid of these inequalities or reducing them to the bare-minimum
The following is a passage from V.L.Lenin from "A Liberal Professor on Equality"

“This is the reasoning of a liberal scholar who repeats the incredibly trite and threadbare argument that experience and reason clearly prove that men are not equal, yet socialism bases its ideal on equality. Hence, socialism, if you please, is an absurdity which is contrary to experience and reason, and so forth!*

Mr. Tugan repeats the old trick of the reactionaries: first to misinterpret socialism by making it out to be an absurdity, and then to triumphantly refute the absurdity! When we say that experience and reason prove that men are not equal, we mean by equality, equality in abilities or similarity in physical strength and mental ability.

It goes without saying that in this respect men are not equal. No sensible person and no socialist forgets this. But this kind of equality has nothing whatever to do with socialism. If Mr. Tugan is quite unable to think, he is at least able to read; were lie to Lake the well-known work of one of the founders of scientific socialism, Frederick Engels, directed against D’uhring, he would find there a special section explaining the absurdity of imagining that economic equality means anything else than the abolition of classes. But when professors set out to refute socialism, one never knows what to wonder at most—their stupidity, their ignorance, or their unscrupulousness.”

 

[Sleepy Hollow]

Being a communist or a socialist doesn't mean you absolutely believe that everyone is equal or should get equal pay, no matter what you do there will always be some form of disparity between individuals, that's just human nature, it's about accepting this harsh fact and doing whatever necessary to get rid of these inequalities or reducing them to the bare-minimum
The following is a passage from V.L.Lenin from "A Liberal Professor on Equality"

“This is the reasoning of a liberal scholar who repeats the incredibly trite and threadbare argument that experience and reason clearly prove that men are not equal, yet socialism bases its ideal on equality. Hence, socialism, if you please, is an absurdity which is contrary to experience and reason, and so forth!*

Mr. Tugan repeats the old trick of the reactionaries: first to misinterpret socialism by making it out to be an absurdity, and then to triumphantly refute the absurdity! When we say that experience and reason prove that men are not equal, we mean by equality, equality in abilities or similarity in physical strength and mental ability.

It goes without saying that in this respect men are not equal. No sensible person and no socialist forgets this. But this kind of equality has nothing whatever to do with socialism. If Mr. Tugan is quite unable to think, he is at least able to read; were lie to Lake the well-known work of one of the founders of scientific socialism, Frederick Engels, directed against D’uhring, he would find there a special section explaining the absurdity of imagining that economic equality means anything else than the abolition of classes. But when professors set out to refute socialism, one never knows what to wonder at most—their stupidity, their ignorance, or their unscrupulousness.”

I was ready to tear into this quote of Lenin"s and how even though its well written its rings hollow since his chance at realising this vision only ended up with him being an even worse oppressor of the masses than Czar Nicholas himself.

But then I came across this
And the fight essentially left me, not that I think communism no matter how benign it may seem, is okay but the current failings of capitalism (well its really more corporate capitalism) need addressing in some kind.

 

[Radical]

I was ready to tear into this quote of Lenin"s and how even though its well written its rings hollow since his chance at realising this vision only ended up with him being an even worse oppressor of the masses than Czar Nicholas himself.

But then I came across this
And the fight essentially left me, not that I think communism no matter how benign it may seem, is okay but the current failings of capitalism (well its really more corporate capitalism) need addressing in some kind.

We throw away enough food every year to feed the whole planet, and yet millions are starving

 

[Radical]

 

[Invader]

I don't admire any person or regime that knowingly killed innocent lives

Then i got no problem with u then