Could this be the future of Somalis in the diaspora?

[Schematics]

sxb even the current president of Somalia probably didn't know what that meant as he constantly adds English to his speeches lol, in the near future Somalia will be diaspora dominated (it technically already is but diaspora elders run the show)

You have your estimates wrong about the Somali diaspora population. They are less than a million. Compare that to the Somali population in Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia.

First immigrants had tons of kids in America and Europe. Second generation will have less kids since they adopted the local cultures that restrict or look down on large families. Most teens I encountered are selfish and care about only their personal interests and don't have the character to sacrifice for kids of their own, so this will reduce the Somali population in the west. I sound uncaring but that might be good for Somalia and Somalis in general.

With each decade, their numbers will get less. Somalia is also attracting back many who left, there is a back flow already.

The ones who go back to the country as productive members like Farmaajo, they are welcome. Others need to shape up or stay in their Norway saxib.

 

[Tukraq]

You have your estimates wrong about the Somali diaspora population. They are less than a million. Compare that to the Somali population in Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia.

First immigrants had tons of kids in America and Europe. Second generation will have less kids since they adopted the local cultures that restrict or look down on large families. Most teens I encountered are selfish and care about only their personal interests and don't have the character to sacrifice for kids of their own, so this will reduce the Somali population in the west. I sound uncaring but that might be good for Somalia and Somalis in general.

With each decade, their numbers will get less. Somalia is also attracting back many who left, there is a back flow already.

The ones who go back to the country as productive members like Farmaajo, they are welcome. Others need to shape up or stay in their Norway saxib.

those stats aren't near accurate sxb theres no way its only a million, Kenyan and Ethiopian somalis have there land in Kenya and Ethiopia and aren't from Somalia proper anyways so why would they count, and like I said the ones in the diaspora are the ones pulling the strings anyways since they have the money

 

[Schematics]

those stats aren't near accurate sxb theres no way its only a million, Kenyan and Ethiopian somalis have there land in Kenya and Ethiopia and aren't from Somalia proper anyways so why would they count, and like I said the ones in the diaspora are the ones pulling the strings anyways since they have the money

The Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia live where their ancestors lived as far back as history was recorded saxib. They are not occupying anyone's spot in both countries but their own historical lands. That is why to me Ethiopia and Kenya are just relative names geographically and Somalis who live there are Somali citizens to me. They are culturally, linguistically and ethnically similar 100% to mainland Somalis. They cross over and back freely and no Somali will ever question their right to all lands which their clans occupy in all those countries.

As far as the economic influence we have on our relatives back home, I got newsflash for ya, they take your money and think of you as useless, or Gaalraac. The minute they sense a minor religious infraction in your attitude, they would still take your money and call you Gaal.

Professionals tried to start projects in Somalia many times before but the locals would not have it out of suspicion of hidden agenda. Our people back home are stubborn much to their disadvantage sometimes but mostly for their benefit if we look at what matters for human beings - Their pure Faith.

 

[Baki]

Butt-hurt, the door to redemption is open. Play your healthy role or simply wallow in your misery. Don't ask me to like you.

Butt hurt ? what are you some angsty teenage brat that things he knows it all, misery it seems like your projecting.

 

[MI]

those stats aren't near accurate sxb theres no way its only a million, Kenyan and Ethiopian somalis have there land in Kenya and Ethiopia and aren't from Somalia proper anyways so why would they count, and like I said the ones in the diaspora are the ones pulling the strings anyways since they have the money

Not cool man, insha’allah one day soon we will reunite with Somalia. The path forward is getting clearer every day.

 

[Tukraq]

Not cool man, insha’allah one day soon we will reunite with Somalia. The path forward is getting clearer every day.

they can gain independence and join according to the Ethiopian constitution

 

[Schematics]

Butt hurt ? what are you some angsty teenage brat that things he knows it all, misery it seems like your projecting.

Baki, Hello there brother. Identify yourself so we can have appropriate conversation. I need to know what your beef with me is based on.

What hurt your feelings?

- Mentions of Atheism in the useless category?
- Extinction list that was sweeping?

If the latter, and you love your people and country, I will ignore anything else about you and wish the best for you.

The only thing I own is my feelings towards others, so I decided today it costs anyone to earn a good spot in my list moving forward. It is a free world and I am exercising my freedom of thought just like haters on here perpetually exercise that freedom to hate on Somalis and be negative 24/7 about Somalia and Somalis. I am tired of their bs, so this is new me and I am not having anything else on the menu other than strict application of bias.

Total war from now on.

 

[Baki]

The Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia live where their ancestors lived as far back as history was recorded saxib. They are not occupying anyone's spot in both countries but their own historical lands. That is why to me Ethiopia and Kenya are just relative names geographically and Somalis who live there are Somali citizens to me. They are culturally, linguistically and ethnically similar 100% to mainland Somalis. They cross over and back freely and no Somali will ever question their right to all lands which their clans occupy in all those countries.

As far as the economic influence we have on our relatives back home, I got newsflash for ya, they take your money and think of you as useless, or Gaalraac. The minute they sense a minor religious infraction in your attitude, they would still take your money and call you Gaal.

Professionals tried to start projects in Somalia many times before but the locals would not have it out of suspicion of hidden agenda. Our people back home are stubborn much to their disadvantage sometimes but mostly for their benefit if we look at what matters for human beings - Their pure Faith.

Ooh hail our Messiah @Schematics

Just tell us how you are going to save us all , what matters is pure faith kulaha and how far has their pure faith taken them thus far, let me see a country totally destroyed, a whole nation devided and a billion plus other problems, your not telling us anything new that we have not heard before, but do tell us ooh Messiah how your going to save Somalia from the abyss with your condescending self righteous know it all attitude.

 

[Baki]

Baki, Hello there brother. Identify yourself so we can have appropriate conversation. I need to know what your beef with me is based on.

What hurt your feelings?

- Mentions of Atheism in the useless category?
- Extinction list that was sweeping?

If the latter, and you love your people and country, I will ignore anything else about you and wish the best for you.

The only thing I own is my feelings towards others, so I decided today it costs anyone to earn a good spot in my list moving forward. It is a free world and I am exercising my freedom of thought just like haters on here perpetually exercise that freedom to hate on Somalis and be negative 24/7 about Somalia and Somalis. I am tired of their bs, so this is new me and I am not having anything else on the menu other than strict application of bias.

Total war from now on.

Sheeko maali yaacnii Meh!

 

[Schematics]

Not cool man, insha’allah one day soon we will reunite with Somalia. The path forward is getting clearer every day.

We are fixing the Somalia side slowly and there will be a day when Somali ethnicity reigns supreme in East Africa economically and politically.

We already have influence in both countries Kenya and Ethiopia. When Somalia comes back in full force with no clowns running a regional show of their own pretending to be presidents, other Somalis will feel the positive impact and their position will be strengthened.

 

[Schematics]

Ooh hail our Messiah @Schematics
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Just tell us how you are going to save us all , what matters is pure faith kulaha and how far has their pure faith taken them thus far, let me see a country totally destroyed, a whole nation devided and a billion plus other problems, your not telling us anything new that we have not heard before, but do tell us ooh Messiah how your going to save Somalia from the abyss with your condescending self righteous know it all attitude.

It is faith that kept our people together in the absence of central government. This fact about Somalia impressed many who theorized that without central government, modern societies can not survive. Somalis not only survived, they rebuilt with their own money. We have culture and religion that reinforce trust and personal responsibility. For those of us who practice their culture and scripture, we are successful at a personal level and at community level. Our country survives today despite the odds and the enemies including Somalis who work to divide our people. Somalis are the only people with few friends in world politics, yet they are surviving and proud as Somalis. We stand tall among nations culturally.

Only someone who self-hates fails to see the potential of Somalis. I have trust Somalis with good leadership can accomplish what they set out to do.

 

[MI]

It is faith that kept our people together in the absence of central government. This fact about Somalia impressed many who theorized that without central government, modern societies can not survive. Somalis not only survived, they rebuilt with their own money. We have culture and religion that reinforce trust and personal responsibility. For those of us who practice their culture and scripture, we are successful on a personal level and on a community level. Our country survives today despite tremendous odds and enemies including Somalis who work to divide our people. Somalis are the only people with few friends in world politics, yet they are proud as Somalis and stand tall among nations culturally.

Only someone who self-hates fails to see the potential of Somalis.

Ignore him akh, I imagine he wouldn’t even understand if I told him I would rather Somalia stay poor or lose even more rather than losing our faith. The nature of belief confuses the kaafir.

Tying the socioeconomic situation of Somalia to religion in the first place is an asinine and facile analysis which shows his subversive agenda. If we had more emaan we wouldn’t have fought amongst ourselves to begin with. If we were for example to look at the GCC countries and compare it to say atheistic North Korea and say it was down to a difference of faith, it would fly in the face of his assumptions and would be a shallow analysis on our part. The physical and material nature of this Dunya is entirely separate from the metaphysical.

I think he is afraid of hellfire in his heart and thinks if he convinces enough people, especially believing people, to join him he can rationalize his disbelief to himself. Many such cases.

 

[Baki]

I swear your delusional rebuild what exactly ? and with their own money is that why they keep begging the IMF and other institutes for money all the time , and our whole country is devided so Somalis sticking together is a laughable concept, it's like you and people like minded live in a alternate reality, by the way other countries have fought Wars which the likes of Somalia has never ever seeing before, tens of millions up millions death governments and societies have crumbled and fallen and rebuild in less then a matter of 40 to 50 years span, Somalia is in total anarchy for 30 plus years but yeah everything is fine and dandy

You know what the problem is with you and your ilks, you have the same mindset as the older generation, that's why Somalis as a whole are stagnant and not going anywhere, what was that saying again ooh yeah Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

I'm done with this revel in your alternate reality.

 

[Baki]

Ignore him akh, I imagine he wouldn’t even understand if I told him I would rather Somalia stay poor or lose even more rather than losing our faith. The nature of belief confuses the kaafir.

Tying the socioeconomic situation of Somalia to religion in the first place is an asinine and facile analysis which shows his subversive agenda. If we had more emaan we wouldn’t have fought amongst ourselves to begin with. If we were for example to look at the GCC countries and compare it to say atheistic North Korea and say it was down to a difference of faith, it would fly in the face of his assumptions and would be a shallow analysis on our part. The physical and material nature of this Dunya is entirely separate from the metaphysical.

I think he is afraid of hellfire in his heart and thinks if he convinces enough people, especially believing people, to join him he can rationalize his disbelief to himself. Many such cases.

Akh ? I'm guessing reer UK, why ofcourse who else would it be, you skim everything that i said and nit pick one thing which is Faith one's belief which to be honest i quite frankly don't give a damn about, you can belief in whatever that's your personal choice, my point stand it's the backwardness of the old generation that the younger genaration wants to emulate push it down people's throat by force/qasaab, rules and certain out dated customs that won't work and never will work in this day and age, like i said before revel in your alternate reality.

 

[MI]

Akh ? I'm guessing reer UK, why ofcourse who else would it be, you skim everything that i said and nit pick one thing which is Faith one's belief which to be honest i quite frankly don't give a damn about, you can belief in whatever that's your personal choice, my point stand it's the backwardness of the old generation that the younger genaration wants to emulate push it down people's throat by force/qasaab, rules and certain out dated customs that won't work and never will work in this day and age, like i said before revel in your alternate reality.

I’m not from the UK, alhamdulillah. I’m not ignorant of the fact that there are systemic faults within Somali society either but only time and effort from true patriots will mend that. Now isn’t the time to be overly self critical but time to try and move forward and rebuild, reform can wait until we are more stable and more informed of where exactly the fault lines are.

 

[Schematics]

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I swear your delusional rebuild what exactly ? and with their own money is that why they keep begging the IMF and other institutes for money all the time , and our whole country is devided so Somalis sticking together is a laughable concept, it's like you and people like minded live in a alternate reality, by the way other countries have fought Wars which the likes of Somalia has never ever seeing before, tens of millions up millions death governments and societies have crumbled and fallen and rebuild in less then a matter of 40 to 50 years span, Somalia is in total anarchy for 30 plus years but yeah everything is fine and dandy

You know what the problem is with you and your ilks, you have the same mindset as the older generation, that's why Somalis as a whole are stagnant and not going anywhere, what was that saying again ooh yeah Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

I'm done with this revel in your alternate reality.

You invited yourself like we all did to make some comments.

Threatening to leave the thread is silly. Say you have nothing to offer other than cheap insults and go away into obscurity.

Ciao Bakeeri. Make sure the door does not hit you on your way out.

 

[psyche]

How do you account for all Somali males? How do you see yourself and your male Somali relatives? It is one thing to judge others based on what you know and totally another to make sweeping generalizations about millions of individuals.

Truth is, no one who matters cares about who marries what. Somalis back home are thriving and marrying each other. This will ensure Somalis continue into existence with God's permission. The somalis in the west can marry whoever they want. They matter less to Somalia and Somalis in general.

Just don't insult Somalis in general and make sweeping indictment on them. You don't know all of them and you shouldn't justify your choices because of Somalis. It is your decision.

This is one problem Somalis online have. If they are atheists, that is their problem. They blame Islam and Somalis for their lack of faith and beliefs. If they are alcoholics and drug addicts, they blame their parents forgetting their dad and mom are not the ones buying the beer and drugs for them. If they are gangbangers and end up in jail, same, no personal responsibility, just loads of blame for Somalis. A woman s herself then blames Somali men for her dom. Where is the end to this fuckery?

Bottom line: NO BODY GIVES A f*ck about the choices Somalis make for themselves in the west. I personally wouldn't care if they all died and became extinct in the west. MOST OF THEM ARE OF NO VALUE TO SOMALIA. I care about the ones back home.

Somalis in Somalia are still killing themselves over stupid shit like qabils so I beg to differ.

 

[AussieHustler]

Dr @Baki

Brother @Schematics is a reasonable, respectful and tolerant man, but sideey @Basra cajarkeeda weeyn u saartey bidaartiisa, he veered from that path. Eeddo @Basra odeyga cajarka ka qaad.

Jokes aside, we moved on from an era where young Somalis and in particular girls mostly married former convicts or converts with little education and today, they are marrying professional (uni graduates) "foreigners". It is in our best interests to welcome their children into the Somali communities. Other African countries like Ghana and Nigeria are accepting and welcoming these people who have excelled in their given field be soccer players, scientists, business people and other highly educated professionals. We should at-least dim it this fake pride. It got us no-where.

 

[Schematics]

Dr @Baki

Brother @Schematics is a reasonable, respectful and tolerant man, but sideey @Basra cajarkeeda weeyn u saartey bidaartiisa, he veered from that path. Eeddo @Basra odeyga cajarka ka qaad.

Jokes aside, we moved on from an era where young Somalis and in particular girls mostly married former convicts or converts with little education and today, they are marrying professional (uni graduates) "foreigners". It is in our best interests to welcome their children into the Somali communities. Other African countries like Ghana and Nigeria are accepting and welcoming these people who have excelled in their given field be soccer players, scientists, business people and other highly educated professionals. We should at-least dim it this fake pride. It got us no-where.

Objecting to marriage based on race is not rational to begin with. Those who meet people they like and want to pursue life with them, that is their choice. An issue would arise if:

- These Somalis who married outside advocate for similar choice be made by other Somalis and argue by saying Somalis have something to lose marrying another Somali. This is objectionable for plethora of reasons. The least offending aspect to that position is, being Somali to these advocates is not good enough and to gain self respect, marry a non-Somali. You see then why most of us are condescending to them..

- Most advocates of foreign marriages are people who loathe themselves as Somalis. Not all of them but significant number of them are that way. And Because of that character flaw, Somalis object to them as good examples for other Somalis. We warn others not to be like them for a good reason.

Somalis in the west can marry who they please. They should understand that is their personal choice and not a choice majority of Somalis want to make. So let them keep it personal. We have nothing to do with their choice.

Choices are personal, Somalis who choose different should stop bothering Somali society in general. That is the beef saxib.


Historically, Somalis accepted the marriage of others closer to them regionally and ethnically. Somali yememinis and somali Eritreans are prime example. If someone was Muslim, Somalis turned a blind eye to their ethnic difference in Somalia. Human beings are comfortable with familiarity saxib. Somalis are no exception.

Here is a saying somalis have about marriage:

Waxaad taqaan guurso, wax layaqaan hakuu dhaleene
Marry someone you know, so they give birth to kids you know.

 

[AussieHustler]

@Schematics

Ina adeer, you are a master of massaging an issue claiming that there was never a thing wrong in Somalis marrying "outsiders" in our history and then inserting this quote;

"Waxaad taqaan guurso, wax layaqaan hakuu dhaleene
Marry someone you know, so they give birth to kids you know."

This proverb was intended towards marrying from your own clan and was meant to denigrate marrying from other clans especially one that is a rival of your clan or the other "lowly" clans and in particular from the madhibaan clan. Sxb, from all my male ancestors only one married a female from a different sub clan. It might work with an old bloke like @Crow and marry a girl from a 'genuine\ real North-Mudug girl, but it wouldn't work on most of young Somalis unless their wedding was arranged by their parents.

The Somalis in the Western countries are in a different kettle. Those who marry "others" are well educated and marry via reason and passion. You have the exceptional ones like sister (name deleted) who wants a Samaroon guy to be shackled for seven years to wait for her. That is crazy. Just saying. @sophisticate no pun dear. Sorry, I couldn't respond to that thread because it is worse than BDSM.