Well you said "your rhetoric is telling". Telling of what? You didn't specify. But whatever you meant by that, my "rhetoric" is telling of that I'm opposed to Marxist elements.
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Well you said "your rhetoric is telling". Telling of what? You didn't specify. But whatever you meant by that, my "rhetoric" is telling of that I'm opposed to Marxist elements.
I accused you of focusing on actions of a minority rather than injustices committed against a group.
You said that I don’t know your intentions.
I said that you were right but your rhetoric was telling.
You’re the only one mentioning racism here.
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the amount of oppression they have faced huge. even today you could see that schools in their districts are underfunded.
Ok- my "rhetoric was telling" of what? What were you trying to imply?
I said your rhetoric is telling of someone who is focusing on the actions of a minority rather than the gross injustices done to a group.
That is the only thing I accused you of in this exchange.
If you’re opposed to Marxists then I assume you’re not a fan of Malcolm X.
Or does he get a pass?
@Periplus also I talked about that I was against violence. I wasn't talking either way about injustice against African-Americans. that is a different subject. if I talk about that group, you attack me for not being black. but then if I don't discuss that topic, you attack me for not discussing it?
well if I am to discuss my views, I think the breakdown of the family is one of the first things to focus on. but anyways, I have no desire to really get into discussing all that. I just don't want people to go out and commit violence.
well if I am to discuss my views, I think the breakdown of the family is one of the first things to focus on. but anyways, I have no desire to really get into discussing all that. I just don't want people to go out and commit violence.
Look at you making a straw man because you cannot defend your own bullshit points.
You also admire Malcolm X, a man who supported violent retaliation to police brutality.
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@Omar del Sur amigo youre getting cooked like a tacho. 
honestly I think there is this weird culture of people taking on the role of being spokesmen for AA's. the blm rioter people destroyed tons of property where I live. I saw the boarded up businesses and I also saw people get attacked.
so if I very reasonably say "don't come where I live and cause violence," or if I criticize blm for being the Marxist scam organization it is- I get attacked for not being black.
but yet white liberals- I've seen this- will give me lectures on why I should be pro-blm and give these fancy speeches on African-American history.
so basically- everyone supposedly has to come out and parrot the blm narrative and should give flowery speeches on African-Americans and their history.
and no one can have an alternative viewpoint. and it's not enough just to not comment- you have to actively parrot the leftist narrative.
ok well I have an alternative viewpoint since not actively parroting the leftist narrative means I'm a bad guy supposedly.
here is my alternative narrative, because I am not a parrot for white liberals and the people they fund:
I honestly am way more concerned with the breakdown of the black family than I am with this narrative that blacks are being genocided by police or whites. I think that the breakdown of the family causes way more harm to black people in their daily, ordinary lives than these sensationalized police killings.
Another thing is I think blm liberals are evil, horrible friends and that they are terrible friends to blacks or to anyone. They give all sorts of flowery speeches about how much they love blacks and are so concerned with blacks but it is all to lure them in and brainwash them with garbage liberal ideology that perpetuates their suffering by eroding healthy values and further destroying their family structure.
Marxist garbage is not the way to help anyone. Whether it's Cubans, blacks or whoever. So I detest blm and I don't buy into what its selling.
so if I very reasonably say "don't come where I live and cause violence," or if I criticize blm for being the Marxist scam organization it is- I get attacked for not being black.
but yet white liberals- I've seen this- will give me lectures on why I should be pro-blm and give these fancy speeches on African-American history.
so basically- everyone supposedly has to come out and parrot the blm narrative and should give flowery speeches on African-Americans and their history.
and no one can have an alternative viewpoint. and it's not enough just to not comment- you have to actively parrot the leftist narrative.
ok well I have an alternative viewpoint since not actively parroting the leftist narrative means I'm a bad guy supposedly.
here is my alternative narrative, because I am not a parrot for white liberals and the people they fund:
I honestly am way more concerned with the breakdown of the black family than I am with this narrative that blacks are being genocided by police or whites. I think that the breakdown of the family causes way more harm to black people in their daily, ordinary lives than these sensationalized police killings.
Another thing is I think blm liberals are evil, horrible friends and that they are terrible friends to blacks or to anyone. They give all sorts of flowery speeches about how much they love blacks and are so concerned with blacks but it is all to lure them in and brainwash them with garbage liberal ideology that perpetuates their suffering by eroding healthy values and further destroying their family structure.
Marxist garbage is not the way to help anyone. Whether it's Cubans, blacks or whoever. So I detest blm and I don't buy into what its selling.
side note: that terrible mlk sculpture is proof imo that liberals are terrible friends to blacks
well according to the official story if I'm not mistaken... he was a Communist and then became a "Nation of Islam" person and then became a Sunni Muslim... so I think that is a weird argument to use...
but also no I'm not a fan of Malcolm X... however that is a totally different subject and if you really want to know my views on him, we can talk about it in a conspiracy thread and I can discuss for example why I believe he faked his death
I don't admire Malcolm X. Not at all. I just don't want them to make a horrible sculpture for him because people associate him with Islam. So your argument is false because the premise is false. I don't admire Malcolm X to begin with. And besides, he is believed to have went through various ideological transformations. I think he stopped promoting the violent stuff after he went to Mecca. But I don't admire him to begin with.
@Omar del Sur amigo youre getting cooked like a tacho.
in what line of argument specifically?
Also just to follow up on my overall counter-view to the blm narrative and why I don't believe the blm narrative... this article discusses police shootings of unarmed blacks
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www.manhattan-institute.org
"As of the June 22 update, the Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootings showed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019. The database does not include those killed by other means, like George Floyd.".
I don't have the statistics but if it was 14 in June let's say for the year it was 30. Now does this 30 unarmed police victims have more harmful impact on your average ordinary black person than the breakdown of the family? But anyways.... let's say it was 40.
what this would indicate is that "death by lawnmower" is a bigger cause of death than police killing unarmed blacks. so should we burn down the cities to protest "death by lawnmower"?
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There Is No Epidemic of Fatal Police Shootings Against Unarmed Black Americans
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There Is No Epidemic of Fatal Police Shootings Against Unarmed Black Americans
Ideally officers would never need to take anyone’s life. But the data on police killings doesn’t support reducing or abolishing law enforcement. The video of George Floyd’s tragic death under the knee of a Minneapolis police officer has led many to ask whether it represents the tip of an iceberg...
www.manhattan-institute.org
"As of the June 22 update, the Washington Post’s database of fatal police shootings showed 14 unarmed Black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019. The database does not include those killed by other means, like George Floyd.".
I don't have the statistics but if it was 14 in June let's say for the year it was 30. Now does this 30 unarmed police victims have more harmful impact on your average ordinary black person than the breakdown of the family? But anyways.... let's say it was 40.
what this would indicate is that "death by lawnmower" is a bigger cause of death than police killing unarmed blacks. so should we burn down the cities to protest "death by lawnmower"?
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Too much force used, the police are obviously in the wrong. A man unarmed and surrounded by 5+ grown men police officers and doesnt pose a threat because he’s pinned down yet they have to taze him to death because that’s the easiest way to put cuffs on his hands. So what if he was resisting arrest? What’s the difference between tazing him to death and shooting him in the head? Obviously the incels are crowding this thread to support the police. I never see this much force used by police in Europe.
How can one unarmed man be a threat to a 5 policemen? You’ll have to suspend reality to think this. Why lie to justify the killing of an innocent man?
To think we’re from a community with high rates of mental health issues and you’re advocating for the murder of a mentally Ill man who was obviously having a mental breakdown. When people have actual mental health episodes, as in loss of mind even their lack of prayer and fasting is excused in Islam. They’re not held accountable and understandably so, yet people like @Abdisamad and @AbdiFreedom want to hold them accountable for their deaths. Ajeeb.
Wallahi, in the world that we live in compassion is important. As time goes by, it starts diminishing. Do better boys. I’m glad, @Abdisamad that you feel police should restrain, but @AbdiFreedom here is simply shocking. It’s the level of cruelty you found amongst the Jahils of Quraish. This isn’t the ethos of the Quran. I’m glad you’ve recently converted back to the deen, but remember emphathy and mercy is important.
To think we’re from a community with high rates of mental health issues and you’re advocating for the murder of a mentally Ill man who was obviously having a mental breakdown. When people have actual mental health episodes, as in loss of mind even their lack of prayer and fasting is excused in Islam. They’re not held accountable and understandably so, yet people like @Abdisamad and @AbdiFreedom want to hold them accountable for their deaths. Ajeeb.
Wallahi, in the world that we live in compassion is important. As time goes by, it starts diminishing. Do better boys. I’m glad, @Abdisamad that you feel police should restrain, but @AbdiFreedom here is simply shocking. It’s the level of cruelty you found amongst the Jahils of Quraish. This isn’t the ethos of the Quran. I’m glad you’ve recently converted back to the deen, but remember emphathy and mercy is important.
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I wasn't justifying police brutality, but the police have to deal with all kind of people, some are armed some can injure the police men while they're trying to restrain the suspect etc.. Usually the American police are more brutal than in other countries and the population are armed as well.. But as an individual if you cooperate with the police then you won't get any harm.. Even here where I live where the police are not as brutal as in the US, it happens from time to a citizen dies while resisting arrest while the cops are trying to restrain them.. But anyway if the police can't use force to restrain how are they supposed to arrest violent or people who are fighting them to resist the arrest? Should they let go any suspect who refuse to cooperate?
Agree 100%, it is crazy how life is valued so little by american society, they accept the use of deadly force even when the police could just easily do it without, this man for example was literally surrounded by 5 policemen who could just essily handcuff him without the use of a tazer.
The American police system needs to be completly reorganized.
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Show me an example in Denmark of a citizen resisting arrest that is killed by police and the police are not at blame. Just show me one article.
There are 5 grown men, one can hold him down, 2 can be on the left of him, 2 can be on the right of him, and they can forcefully put the cuffs on him. Killing isn’t right just because he’s pinned down, unarmed and it’s not easy to put cuffs on him.
By saying that the police had no choice but to taze him to death, you are justifying police brutality and are complicit.
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