Centralism

[nine]

@Karim PL is mostly dominated by one clan. Fedetalism can work up there.

The Kismayo district has Ras Kamboni, Marehab militias, SNA and Cowramale fighting niggaz.
Tell me, if Nugaal was dominated by a hostile clan would PL be the same?

Please save the Darodism for another day we owe you nothing don't cry about about Marehan and Hawiye when we live much better in Xamar under Hawiye than in Kismayo under nniggers

 

[Shaolin23]

@Ferrari @Karim your problem is Hawiye well I’m sorry to tell you but they aren’t going to magically going to go away these Federal states aren’t going to see development or investment unless they declare for independence and can sign foreign deals otherwise nothing changes I love the Puntland Somaliland can-do attitude but realistically it might start to look like Dubai in 100 years do we really have that time

 

[Ferrari]

@Ferrari @Karim your problem is Hawiye well I’m sorry to tell you but they aren’t going to magically going to go away these Federal states aren’t going to see development or investment unless they declare for independence and can sign foreign deals otherwise nothing changes I love the Puntland Somaliland can-do attitude but realistically it might start to look like Dubai in 100 years do we really have that time

I have no issue with hawiye, or even with MX outside of politics.

we're not all crazy nigggers like @nine and @tikniko who want to shoot people for simply claiming Gedo, or for simply being of a different qabiil.

Until America was established, the western world had similar issues, but with them instead of qabiil, it was religion. They fixed this by having state and religion separated. We need our own version of this, replace qabiil for religion. If we manage to do this, then we all can get along. but until then, centralism won't work because there is going to be corruption, nepotism, preferential treatment by those in power in favor of their qabiil, oppressing direct competitors of your qabiil's rivlas(farmaajo is doing this right now). Just a vicious cycle, today I f*ck you up because I am in power, we land grab, steal and kill your community and tomorrow it'll be your turn because you'll be in power. More hatred, more mistrust and just a never ending cycle.

how the hell can you have centralism marka?

it can't work until we separate qabiil and politics, until qabiil has zero say or impact of polices that affect the entire country. can we do that? maybe some day but not right now.

I keep repeating myself but u ain't getting it now. u are an amateur.

 

[Karim]

@Karim PL is mostly dominated by one clan. Fedetalism can work up there.

The Kismayo district has Ras Kamboni, Marehab militias, SNA and Cowramale fighting niggaz.
Tell me, if Nugaal was dominated by a hostile clan would PL be the same?

PL had nothing to do with my question of what Marehans do gain from centralized Somalia. Stay on topic.

 

[Shaolin23]

I have no issue with hawiye, or even with MX outside of politics.

we're not all crazy nigggers like @nine and @tikniko who want to shoot people for simply claiming Gedo, or for simply being of a different qabiil.

Until America was established, the western world had similar issues, but with them instead of qabiil, it was religion. They fixed this by having state and religion separated. We need our own version of this, replace qabiil for religion. If we manage to do this, then we all can get along. but until then, centralism won't work because there is going to be corruption, nepotism, preferential treatment by those in power in favor of their qabiil, oppressing direct competitors of your qabiil's rivlas(farmaajo is doing this right now). Just a vicious cycle, today I f*ck you up because I am in power, we land grab, steal and kill your community and tomorrow it'll be your turn because you'll be in power. More hatred, more mistrust and just a never ending cycle.

how the hell can you have centralism marka?

it can't work until we separate qabiil and politics, until qabiil has zero say or impact of polices that affect the entire country. can we do that? maybe some day but not right now.

I keep repeating myself but u ain't getting it now. u are an amateur.

Tribalism is a really big African problem so is corruption but is mind boggling rampant in Somalia our so called leaders are constantly fanning the flames to keep the fire going we must honestly work hard to abolish it through means of education religious and worldly, qabil will always exist but we must separate it from politics as much as we can then it won’t matter what system we use to govern ourselves

 

[Ferrari]

Tribalism is a really big African problem so is corruption but is mind boggling rampant in Somalia our so called leaders are constantly fanning the flames to keep the fire going we must honestly work hard to abolish it through means of education religious and worldly, qabil will always exist but we must separate it from politics as much as we can then it won’t matter what system we use to govern ourselves

who practices qabiil more than we do? Rwanda comes close and the hutus there have had no president of their own for almost 20 years now. would somalis allow that?

Qabiil is the biggest problem. No one knows how to remove it form politics.

 

[nine]

PL had nothing to do with my question of what Marehans do gain from centralized Somalia. Stay on topic.

Kismayo under SNA means that the razing and siezing of privately owned shops and businesses constant gang style harassment of civilians in Kismayo stops. Big gain

Tribalism is a really big African problem so is corruption but is mind boggling rampant in Somalia our so called leaders are constantly fanning the flames to keep the fire going we must honestly work hard to abolish it through means of education religious and worldly, qabil will always exist but we must separate it from politics as much as we can then it won’t matter what system we use to govern ourselves

who practices qabiil more than we do? Rwanda comes close and the ****s there have had no president of their own for almost 20 years now. would somalis allow that?

Qabiil is the biggest problem. No one knows how to remove it form politics.

We need another Cumar bin Khattab RA he would not play games he was big barrier against fitnah

 

[Fahad Yasin]

https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Somalia_2012?lang=en
I just read the federal constitution, articles 50-54 discusses the principles of federalism & to be honest this system of governance isn't too hard to implement. The task of the federal government is pretty simple: consult with States, shares foreign aid & the states in turn respect the powers of the FG government. The FG's role in a nutshell is to oversee, delegate, and advise the federal states.

A centralized government is ideal but won't be a reality anytime soon. This is the best system for now considering the current climate of the country.

 

[Ferrari]

https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Somalia_2012?lang=en
I just read the federal constitution, articles 50-54 discusses the principles of federalism & to be honest this system of governance isn't too hard to implement. The task of the federal government is pretty simple: consult with States, shares foreign aid & the states in turn respect the powers of the FG government. The FG's role in a nutshell is to oversee, delegate, and advise the federal states.

A centralized government is ideal but won't be a reality anytime soon. This is the best system for now considering the current climate of the country.

So then farmaajo has violated the constitution when he appointed a general without consulting blackman? Not once but twice in the same month.
Typical Somali. No respect for law and order. He wants to be above the law, but hypocritically he expects regional governments to submit to him.

I bet he hasn't even read this constitution.

 

[Fahad Yasin]

So then farmaajo has violated the constitution when he appointed a general without consulting blackman? Not once but twice in the same month.
Typical Somali. No respect for law and order. He wants to be above the law, but hypocritically he expects regional governments to submit to him.

I bet he hasn't even read this constitution.

Read the constitution? He can't even read a script

 

[Ferrari]

Read the constitution? He can't even read a script

is this real?

 

[Karim]

Read the constitution? He can't even read a script

 

[Shaolin23]

@Fahad Yasin keep President Farmajos name out your stinking ugali eating mouth worry about your President Uhuru he needs AA he has a drinking problem

 

[nine]

@Fahad Yasin @Ferrari @Karim @Shaolin23 Aid was sent from Xamar straight to Baardheere and Madoobe threw a hissy fit. We know damn well Baardheere would not see the money if it went "through" him.

 

[Sheikh]

Marehans are 500-600k Max in Somalia. They control 1 out of the 18 original provinces of the country. They don't have the numbers nor the land to put their stamp on a centralized Somalia. Centralism means HAG will eat good and the rest of the country suffers. Centralism made Gedo one of the remotest and most neglected regions of Somalia. Why would they support that vile system of governance that concentrates all power and influence in one Wh2u dominated city?!! I really don't understand.

Fam Marehan are 1 Mil max in Somalia we control Jubbada Hoose, Jubbada Dhexe, Gedo and GG. That's 4 provinces in Somalia.

We indeed do have the numbers and the land but we will continue to build our regions while we are in Office. You either eat good or you don't. Which ever system let it be Centralism or Federalism we will eat good out of.

 

[Sheikh]

Farmaajo was elected because of luck and his rhetoric for Somalinimo bullshit not because of his clan like the Abgaal presidents. And he can be easily over thrown.

Fam he's not going anywhere. He's here to stay.

Now is his time to save face and help his people gain.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Typical laangaab who shares gedo and galgaduud wants to dictate to people who live from bosaso to galkacyo the majority rules the minority federalism is the lawof the land.

 

[Sheikh]

Typical laangaab who shares gedo and galgaduud wants to dictate to people who live from bosaso to galkacyo the majority rules the minority federalism is the lawof the land.

Doqonyahow every Ugaas that is powerful and has much people and land. Gedo is not shared. It's owned by one clan same way for Jubbada Hoose, Jubbada Dhexe, and GG. We advocate for Centralism and Federalism but if we are the President of the country Centralism has many advantages Centralism can rule Bosaso and Galkacyo. Centralism and Federalism both are the systems of Somalia.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

Doqonyahow every Ugaas that is powerful and has much people and land. Gedo is not shared. It's owned by one clan same way for Jubbada Hoose, Jubbada Dhexe, and GG. We advocate for Centralism and Federalism but if we are the President of the country Centralism has many advantages Centralism can rule Bosaso and Galkacyo. Centralism and Federalism both are the systems of Somalia.

How are you a minority going to dictate to majeerteen that are a majority?

Somalia has one system federalism

 

[Sheikh]

How are you a minority going to dictate to majeerteen that are a majority?

Fam I the Sheikh's people are the majority Sade are larger than your people that is a minority.

We ruled every Somali in the Kacaan era and now we're doing it back.