Centralism

[nine]

ogaden will never become president fo

r somalia.
somalis practice qabyaalad when in office.
a sitting president will favor his tribe and undermine their enemies.
there are more marehan in somalia than us so they'll always have higher chances of becoming presidnets.
marehan are our direct rivals.

do you see where I am going with this?

msb took parts of upper juba and made it Gedo, deliberately taking with him ogaden lands and calling those lands gedo and since the rest of gedo was inhabited by his clan, they eventually took our lands as well.

farmaajo became president and immediately he has started attacking us.

coincidence? I think not. Anytime a rival clan, mostly(MX) gets the presidency, they'll seek to undermine us and get you guys the upper hand.

that's why I don't support centralism.

Somalis will always be corrupt and practice nepotism. We stand to gain more from federalism where there is less government regulation, as much as I'd prefer centralism because to me a stronger Somalia is better than a stronger ogaden interests in somalia but because Somalia will never be strong, i'll go for the next best thing.

I am surprised as a MX u even ask this question.

and we are not cousins, u guys are our uncles.

And Ethiopian citizen stick to your country take your lies about the Juba Valley somewhere else

 

[Ferrari]

Ethiopian citizen like Hiiraale and msb right? @nine

 

[Shaolin23]

Ethiopian citizen like Hiiraale and msb right? @nine

In today’s Somalia yes along with Axmad Madoobe Somaliweyne is a dead concept Allah put Ogaden in this position to test you stop blaming others for you problems Allah also blessed you with numbers and land now dig yourself out of this hole the future lies in your hands

 

[Ferrari]

In today’s Somalia yes along with Axmad Madoobe Somaliweyne is a dead concept Allah put Ogaden in this position to test you stop blaming others for you problems Allah also blessed you with numbers and land now dig yourself out of this hole the future lies in your hands

The British punished us by dividing our territories into three different countries.

I mean how would it be fair to you if we had a somaliwayn? we would run the damn thing. certain clans only feel powerful in Somalia because we aren't there in large numbers.

 

[Shaolin23]

The British punished us by dividing our territories into three different countries.

I mean how would it be fair to you if we had a somaliwayn? we would run the damn thing. certain clans only feel powerful in Somalia because we aren't there in large numbers.

Life isn’t fair what the British did is not our fault we tried Somali irredentism in the 70s to correct that injustice and we failed miserably and the whole world turned against us you should focus on getting better rights in DDSI and NEP if that’s where you hail from the OG in Somalia will get their fair share don’t worry about them

 

[Ferrari]

Life isn’t fair what the British did is not our fault we tried Somali irredentism in the 70s to correct that injustice and we failed miserably and the whole world turned against us you should focus on getting better rights in DDSI and NEP if that’s where you hail from the OG in Somalia will get their fair share don’t worry about them

msb gave you Gedo, not the marehans from Somalia. so clearly that isn't how it works.
hiiraale gave you kismaayo for 8 years so be consistent waryaa. don't be a hypocrite.

name a relevant marehan individual from proper Somalia?

besides, we don't recognize artificial borders. the kinship based on clan is much stronger that's why absames and sades who bordered each other for over a 100 years would still choose warlords of their respective clans from galbeed. it's the unwritten rule in somalia.

in galbeed and nfd, no one can do shit without us saying so, if we had large presence in somalia, it would be the same. MX were masakiin.

 

[Farm]

Federalism or possibly confederation or Balkanization is the future.

 

[Shaolin23]

msb gave you Gedo, not the marehans from Somalia. so clearly that isn't how it works.
hiiraale gave you kismaayo for 8 years so be consistent waryaa. don't be a hypocrite.

name a relevant marehan individual from proper Somalia?

besides, we don't recognize artificial borders. the kinship based on clan is much stronger that's why absames and sades who bordered each other for over a 100 years would still choose warlords of their respective clans from galbeed. it's the unwritten rule in somalia.

in galbeed and nfd, no one can do shit without us saying so, if we had large presence in somalia, it would be the same. MX were masakiin.

Bro the borders with Ethiopia and Kenya are set in stone under international law it sucks I understand even my clan lives there too as long as non Muslims are running the world this won’t change maybe during the Mahdis time you’ll get to run the Somalis but it’s better for you to focus on gaining more rights among the Ethiopians and Kenyans no need to be mad at the situation it is what it is Somaliweyne iska ilow for the time being or having any say in Somalia if your from Wardheere or Wajeer

 

[whitehartlane]

For my Ogaden cousins I have a question for you why would you guys be opposed to centralism or the old 18 provinces for MJ I understand they don’t want to share Mudug with Sacad and it’s not in their interest you guys live with peaceful clans and that wouldn’t be an issue but you guys would for sure get get governor of lower jubba and mostly likely middle jubba and for sure no less than deputy governor in bakool gedo would be Marehan and you wouldn’t have to deal with the headache of going 50/50 with them in JL it doesn’t make sense to me and by centralism I don’t mean like the old way of centralism where Xamar elects the governors but they come via election but overall command comes under the federal government @Fahad Yasin @Ferrari

It’s not my concern why you support clan federalism that’s irrelevant to me my issue is to simplify a system of governance that is confusing and won’t ever work in Somalia it’s best for the nation to have 18 governors and with parliamentary elections for each province the allocation of seats for each province will be a stumbling block initially as a census would be need to be done and possibly a brand new neutral capital city maybe Barawe or something but I’m sure we can find some sort of stop gap until we get on our feet

Sxb make up your mind, ...you can't make a statement as silly as the first one and when u are caught with your bullshit you come back with something as silly as your second statement..

If you don't know why we as reer puntland support federalism ASK... and if you don't care about why we support it then don't make false statements about subjects you don't know about as it's evident from your first statement or isn't of your interest that you admitted in your second statement...


Kindly ask about why support it but I have the feeling you already know why we are avid supporters of federalism you just don't admit to yourself....

We are self sufficient and don't need to leach of others...

 

[Ferrari]

Bro the borders with Ethiopia and Kenya are set in stone under international law it sucks I understand even my clan lives there too as long as non Muslims are running the world this won’t change maybe during the Mahdis time you’ll get to run the Somalis but it’s better for you to focus on gaining more rights among the Ethiopians and Kenyans no need to be mad at the situation it is what it is Somaliweyne iska ilow for the time being or having any say in Somalia if your from Wardheere or Wajeer

What will you do if an educated mx niggger from libaan shows up in Gedo. he's educated, is a leader, is fair and just, wants to better Jland, wouldn't u want that to be Jland president or even somalia's president? I certainly would. that's where the flaw of your mindset comes out. borders were created to divide the somalis, I don't care for it neither should you.

aside from fdk, I wouldn't mind another msb for somalia, and I would gladly allow mx to rule me for a 1000 years because I wnat somalia to be something in the international stage, who cares about qabiil?
I wanna karbaash kenya and ethiopia and i want to be the king in africa, and any somali man that can put somalia there will have my full support. I will give that all my personal lands in the horn gabadhna waan ogu dari weliba.

 

[Shaolin23]

What will you do if an educated mx niggger from libaan shows up in Gedo. he's educated, is a leader, is fair and just, wants to better Jland, wouldn't u want that ****** to be Jland president or even somalia's president? I certainly would. that's where the flaw of your mindset comes out. borders were created to divide the somalis, I don't care for it neither should you.

aside from fdk, I wouldn't mind another msb for somalia, and I would gladly allow mx to rule me for a 1000 years because I wnat somalia to be something in the international stage, who cares about qabiil?
I wanna karbaash kenya and ethiopia and i want to be the king in africa, and any somali man that can put somalia there will have my full support. I will give that ****** all my personal lands in the horn gabadhna waan ogu dari weliba.

Sxb another Siyad Barre isn’t coming for a long time somali leaders have become corrupt inept tribalist and overall peices of shit the finding qualities in a man you just mentioned among Somalis today is like finding a needle in a haystack everyone knows in Somalia that a man only cares for where he’s from a reer Xasan from Liiban and one born and bred in Luuq who’s family is there are very different and will behave differently the man from Liibaan chances are he won’t give 2 fucks about Luuq his deep love for the place isn’t there he wouldn’t mind causing chaos there for his own benefit or stealing money from the coffers that’s Somali mentality I as a reer Diini man am even opposed to a man from C/waaq or Balanbale to come rule Garbo or Bardera his accent is different his outlook is different hes family but kind of a foreigner he’s far from home even if his tol is there you can’t deny this sxb better to find the best local man who will fight for his city district and gobol one day the borders will be removed inshallah but I’m just being realistic

 

[Karim]

Marehans are 500-600k Max in Somalia. They control 1 out of the 18 original provinces of the country. They don't have the numbers nor the land to put their stamp on a centralized Somalia. Centralism means HAG will eat good and the rest of the country suffers. Centralism made Gedo one of the remotest and most neglected regions of Somalia. Why would they support that vile system of governance that concentrates all power and influence in one Wh2u dominated city?!! I really don't understand.

 

[Ferrari]

Marehans are 500-600k Max in Somalia. They control 1 out of the 18 original provinces of the country. They don't have the numbers nor the land to put their stamp on a centralized Somalia. Centralism means HAG will eat good and the rest of the country suffers. Centralism made Gedo one of the remotest and most neglected regions of Somalia. Why would they support that vile system of governance that concentrates all power and influence in one Wh2u dominated city?!! I really don't understand.

because they think becoming the president, which to be fair they can be, is the ultimate success in somali politics.

 

[Karim]

because they think becoming the president, which to be fair they can be, is the ultimate success in somali politics.

Farmaajo was elected because of luck and his rhetoric for Somalinimo bullshit not because of his clan like the Abgaal presidents. And he can be easily over thrown.

 

[Karim]

@Ferrari ....and they'll never control Kismaayo in a centralized Somalia cause Ogadens will have the two Jubbas on lockdown. But Federalism allows them to have their turn and rule whole of Jubaland.

 

[Ferrari]

@Ferrari ....and they'll never control Kismaayo in a centralized Somalia cause Ogadens will have the two Jubbas on lockdown. But Federalism allows them to have their turn and rule whole of Jubaland.

exactly! they are thinking of now when they should be thinking about the future. Instead of opposing and attacking madoobe so much, if they played their cards right, they would rule Jland soon, controlling two regions in which they hardly settle plus have access to kismayo and claim it as their city by being Jlanders. They stand to gain more out of Jland than we do because right now, what do we get from Gedo? nothing, but they could get a lot from the two jubaas because these regions are more fertile and lower juba is on the coast etc...

they are shorter term thinkers. the alliance with hawiye messed them up so badly.

they place their entire eggs in the president sit bag. strange.

 

[Shaolin23]

Marehans are 500-600k Max in Somalia. They control 1 out of the 18 original provinces of the country. They don't have the numbers nor the land to put their stamp on a centralized Somalia. Centralism means HAG will eat good and the rest of the country suffers. Centralism made Gedo one of the remotest and most neglected regions of Somalia. Why would they support that vile system of governance that concentrates all power and influence in one Wh2u dominated city?!! I really don't understand.

Where do you get these population numbers?Gedo is the second largest province in Somalia I think if you would add C/waaq district it would be the biggest.Centralism made Gedo remote?you sure geography had nothing to do with it? How much closer is Kismayo really? HAG is eating good now as they have the federal capital and they get first dibs on any money or development the government gets from taxes or aid so what’s your point ? Isn’t that what the whole beef with regional governments is about MONEY? If a Puntlander becomes president I doubt he can do better than Farmaajo the capital is still Hawiye

 

[Karim]

exactly! they are thinking of now when they should be thinking about the future. Instead of opposing and attacking madoobe so much, if they played their cards right, they would rule Jland soon, controlling two regions in which they hardly settle plus have access to kismayo and claim it as their city by being Jlanders. They stand to gain more out of Jland than we do because right now, what do we get from Gedo? nothing, but they could get a lot from the two jubaas because these regions are more fertile and lower juba is on the coast etc...

they are shorter term thinkers. the alliance with hawiye messed them up so badly.

Maybe they want to rebuild Banadir with new bridges, Gardens and tall skyscrapers while neglecting their own region like MSB. MSB wasted the 21 years of his rule building Banadir and W/Galbeed. Short-sightedness is a deadly disease in politics.

 

[Karim]

Where do you get these population numbers?Gedo is the second largest province in Somalia I think if you would add C/waaq district it would be the biggest.Centralism made Gedo remote?you sure geography had nothing to do with it? How much closer is Kismayo really? HAG is eating good now as they have the federal capital and they get first dibs on any money or development the government gets from taxes or aid so what’s your point ? Isn’t that what the whole beef with regional governments is about MONEY? If a Puntlander becomes president I doubt he can do better than Farmaajo the capital is still Hawiye

My point is; with FEDERALISM nobody cares who is on that thrown unlike centralism. Federalism reduces the role of the president in regional affairs and politics.

Back to my question of what's the gain of Marehans in centralized Somalia that they don't necessarily get from Federalized Somalia?!!

 

[Fahad Yasin]

My point is; with FEDERALISM nobody cares who is on that thrown unlike centralism. Federalism reduces the role of the president in regional affairs and politics.

Back to my question of what's the gain of Marehans in centralized Somalia that they don't necessarily get from Federalized Somalia?!!

4 years on the throne every 30 years. Other than that I don't know, oh & to sabotage Ogadens control over Jubaland. I bet if Marehan was in control of JL they would be an advocate for federalism.