Centralism

[Shaolin23]

For my Ogaden cousins I have a question for you why would you guys be opposed to centralism or the old 18 provinces for MJs I understand they don’t want to share Mudug with Sacad and it’s not in their interest you guys live with peaceful clans and that wouldn’t be an issue but you guys would for sure get get governor of lower jubba and mostly likely middle jubba and for sure no less than deputy governor in bakool gedo would be Marehan and you wouldn’t have to deal with the headache of going 50/50 with them in JL it doesn’t make sense to me and by centralism I don’t mean like the old way of centralism where Xamar elects the governors but they come via election but overall command comes under the federal government

@Fahad Yasin @Ferrari

 

[Fahad Yasin]

I have already stated my opinion on this matter but no I'm not opposed to centralism but it's tough to be an advocate for it when Hassan Sheikh opposed the creation of our state & now Farmajo is constantly seeking to undermine it. Maybe when an impartial President comes along & runs the dawlad according to the sharci. I don't support dissolving the federal states in favor of the 18 provinces as of now this would give an upper hand to Marehan & Rahanweyn is this your motive?

The 18 provinces would create future conflicts in the North but would be less of a headache in the South but I still oppose it Madobe has built Jubaland it has come a long way he will not be wiped from the history books, Jubaland will be around long after he's gone

 

[Shaolin23]

I have already stated my opinion on this matter but no I'm not opposed to centralism but it's tough to be an advocate for it when Hassan Sheikh opposed the creation of our state & now Farmajo is constantly seeking to undermine it. Maybe when an impartial President comes along & runs the dawlad according to the sharci. I don't support dissolving the federal states in favor of the 18 provinces as of now this would give an upper hand to Marehan & Rahanweyn is this your motive?

The 18 provinces would create future conflicts in the North but would be less of a headache in the South but I still oppose it Madobe has built Jubaland it has come a long way he will not be wiped from the history books, Jubaland will be around long after he's gone
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Mareexaan wont always be president and how does this empower Mareexan and Raxanweyne explain it to me if anything it empowers OG you’ll be governor of the two jubbas and deputy in bakool and an ogaden candidate can always run for the highest office where’s the loss in that

 

[Fahad Yasin]

Mareexaan wont always be president and how does this empower Mareexan and Raxanweyne explain it to me if anything it empowers OG you’ll be governor of the two jubbas and deputy in bakool and an ogaden candidate can always run for the highest office where’s the loss in that

I wouldn't be opposed to that all but I also want to be deputy Governor in Gedo & control of at least 3 of the 7 districts in Gedo anything less than this is a rip off & permanent governorship in both Jubbas.

 

[Fahad Yasin]

@Shaolin23 What's the catch waryaa? Will the federal states be dissolved?

 

[Shaolin23]

I wouldn't be opposed to that all but I also want to be deputy Governor in Gedo & control of at least 3 of the 7 districts in Gedo anything less than this is a rip off & permanent governorship in both Jubbas.

Your getting greedy now but anyhow it’s impossible it would be up to the elected governor to name his deputy but if it came down to a vote I think Ogaden can win both Jubbas and being the second most populous clan in Bakool you would have to be elected deputy by right this is similar to the style of governance that Al Shabab use and imo it’s less headache and easier to control

 

[Shaolin23]

@Shaolin23 What's the catch waryaa? Will the federal states be dissolved?

No catch less division less problems and the tally of the votes will tell the tale everybody knows who’s majority where Marexaan and Ogaden are overwhelming majority in Gedo and Lower Jubba and Ogaden has a slight majority in Middle Jubba 18 regions would be much easier for Somalia I think what holds this back is MJ vs Sacad can’t share Mudug and Harti and Issaq can’t share Sanaag I don’t see a problem anywhere else

 

[Fahad Yasin]

Your getting greedy now but anyhow it’s impossible it would be up to the elected governor to name his deputy but if it came down to a vote I think Ogaden can win both Jubbas and being the second most populous clan in Bakool you would have to be elected deputy by right this is similar to the style of governance that Al Shabab use and imo it’s less headache and easier to control

All jokes aside I personally like the system AS uses as it is very effective as a local government which the 18 provinces essentially would be. For once I agree with you

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

For my Ogaden cousins I have a question for you why would you guys be opposed to centralism or the old 18 provinces for MJs I understand they don’t want to share Mudug with Sacad and it’s not in their interest you guys live with peaceful clans and that wouldn’t be an issue but you guys would for sure get get governor of lower jubba and mostly likely middle jubba and for sure no less than deputy governor in bakool gedo would be Marehan and you wouldn’t have to deal with the headache of going 50/50 with them in JL it doesn’t make sense to me and by centralism I don’t mean like the old way of centralism where Xamar elects the governors but they come via election but overall command comes under the federal government

@Fahad Yasin @Ferrari

Kkk Sacad? Nigga you clueless if you think that is the reason we support federalism. It doesn't even make the top 20 reasons

 

[Shaolin23]

Kkk Sacad? Nigga you clueless if you think that is the reason we support federalism. It doesn't even make the top 20 reasons

It’s not my concern why you support clan federalism that’s irrelevant to me my issue is to simplify a system of governance that is confusing and won’t ever work in Somalia it’s best for the nation to have 18 governors and with parliamentary elections for each province the allocation of seats for each province will be a stumbling block initially as a census would be need to be done and possibly a brand new neutral capital city maybe Barawe or something but I’m sure we can find some sort of stop gap until we get on our feet

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

It’s not my concern why you support clan federalism that’s irrelevant to me my issue is to simplify a system of governance that is confusing and won’t ever work in Somalia it’s best for the nation to have 18 governors and with parliamentary elections for each province the allocation of seats for each province will be a stumbling block initially as a census would be need to be done and possibly a brand new neutral capital city maybe Barawe or something but I’m sure we can find some sort of stop gap until we get on our feet

18 Governors? We will never accept that in PL. Personally, you can all go down under a central government anything south of PL for all i care.

 

[nine]

I wouldn't be opposed to that all but I also want to be deputy Governor in Gedo & control of at least 3 of the 7 districts in Gedo anything less than this is a rip off & permanent governorship in both Jubbas.

Make those claims in front of me in Gedo I will shoot you in your fucking face

 

[Shaolin23]

18 Governors? We will never accept that in PL. Personally, you can all go down under a central government anything south of PL for all i care.

Chill abtiyow qabil federalism is not working in Somalia and we’ll be forever in deadlock it’s too unstable we need a little more centrality to create a better command and control structure federal Ethiopia who have 10x our population with different ethnic groups and religions have a more centrality than we do the fake federalism they have is to make the people feel like they have control but actual control lies in Addis and it works for them s I always knew Ethiopians were much more intelligent than s

 

[Yonis]

Centralism = "I can't build anything for myself so i'll leech off more productive hardworking regions and take their money and use it feed to the land squatters who have occupied the Mogadishu, if you don't abide by this then you're a fake wadani"

-Every 'nationalist' ever.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Chill abtiyow qabil federalism is not working in Somalia and we’ll be forever in deadlock it’s too unstable we need a little more centrality to create a better command and control structure federal Ethiopia who have 10x our population with different ethnic groups and religions have a more centrality than we do the fake federalism they have is to make the people feel like they have control but actual control lies in Addis and it works for them s I always knew Ethiopians were much more intelligent than s

Whachu mean? Its working perfectly. Its what gave us the first working government in decades. All we need is to work on a permanent constitution instead of whining 24/7 about "qabil" federalism. Get to work and create the federal dastuur that sets the division of powers between the states and the federal government. I guarantee you 100% farmaajo will leave office before this is done.

 

[Fahad Yasin]

Whachu mean? Its working perfectly. Its what gave us the first working government in decades. All we need is to work on a permanent constitution instead of whining 24/7 about "qabil" federalism. Get to work and create the federal dastuur that sets the division of powers between the states and the federal government. I guarantee you 100% farmaajo will leave office before this is done.

 

[GBTarmy]

Can you please stop comparing your southern regions with puntland, I can understand why you guys want centralism but we would be retarded to agree with it.

We work better alone and history is different, We've always governed ourselves and sticked together until we united with the rest of the somalians and our regions were forgotten and look how that turned out?

We're good, centralism will make us leave Somalia but you guys should dont lose much you can unite yourselves and go for centralism.

 

[Ferrari]

ogaden will never become president fo

r somalia.
somalis practice qabyaalad when in office.
a sitting president will favor his tribe and undermine their enemies.
there are more marehan in somalia than us so they'll always have higher chances of becoming presidnets.
marehan are our direct rivals.

do you see where I am going with this?

msb took parts of upper juba and made it Gedo, deliberately taking with him ogaden lands and calling those lands gedo and since the rest of gedo was inhabited by his clan, they eventually took our lands as well.

farmaajo became president and immediately he has started attacking us.

coincidence? I think not. Anytime a rival clan, mostly(MX) gets the presidency, they'll seek to undermine us and get you guys the upper hand.

that's why I don't support centralism.

Somalis will always be corrupt and practice nepotism. We stand to gain more from federalism where there is less government regulation, as much as I'd prefer centralism because to me a stronger Somalia is better than a stronger ogaden interests in somalia but because Somalia will never be strong, i'll go for the next best thing.

I am surprised as a MX u even ask this question.

and we are not cousins, u guys are our uncles.

 

[Fahad Yasin]

It wouldn't make sense to suddenly switch to an 18 province system when the potential of Federalism hasn't been fully realized. Undoing years of work

 

[nine]

Whachu mean? Its working perfectly. Its what gave us the first working government in decades. All we need is to work on a permanent constitution instead of whining 24/7 about "qabil" federalism. Get to work and create the federal dastuur that sets the division of powers between the states and the federal government. I guarantee you 100% farmaajo will leave office before this is done.

Lol so federalism is not qabiil?

Federalism works for homogeneous places not JL. Would PL be same if Nugaal was owned by a hostile clan and they had a heavy presence in Garowe and they had militias in the district? Get off your high horse if you think the solution for your gobol is the solution for others