Cadaan Turk dhuuso showing off his fine gazelle xalimo straight from Somalia

[Mr.Humphrey]

When one is not careful they will not see the snake lurking in the garden. Take a lesson from the Americas; slaves were not allowed to read or write except from the bible and only those verses that encouraged submission to the slave masters.

Men have always been evil, they plotted and changed history to suit their narrative. Still to this day people believe everything they were taught by their parents, teachers, clerics and society. Wake up and ask questions so that you shall not stay ignorant.

 

[Future]

WiThouT IsLam YoU wOulD bE bArBariaNs! I can't stand that crowd wallahi. Is Iman, Ayan Hirsi ali, Sada Mire trashy? No, they're all classy, eloquent women who give us a good image, unlike the ones running around joining ISIS

Question. Are u Canadian?

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

WiThouT IsLam YoU wOulD bE bArBariaNs! I can't stand that crowd wallahi. Is Iman, Ayan Hirsi ali, Sada Mire trashy? No, they're all classy, eloquent women who give us a good image, unlike the ones running around joining ISIS

I'm not, actually. Don't project your poor impulse control on other Somalis. We civilised ones don't need to rely on some religion to be respectable citizens

Yes. I support my people, regardless of their religion, unlike most close minded Ummah zombies. Everyone else supports their people first, regardless of religion, why can't we?

How is it that you claim to be a Muslim yet only gaalo are deserving of your respect & sympathy?

You couldn’t bring any worse examples than iman & ayaan. One sold her religion for fame while the latter did it to attack your own religion. How is this class or even respectable ?

The fact you throw out diintada to give support to such individuals is telling just how little it matters to you.

I mean you even mock diinta stating you don’t need it to be “civilised” or “respectable”. Are these the words of someone who actually believes in Islam ?

What changed ? did you leave diinta or were you just pretending to be muslim all this time ?

 

[Juliet]

How is it that you claim to be a Muslim yet only gaalo are deserving of your respect & sympathy?

You couldn’t bring any worse examples than iman & ayaan. One sold her religion for fame while the latter did it to attack your own religion. How is this class or even respectable ?

The fact you throw out diintada to give support to such individuals is telling just how little it matters to you.

I mean you even mock diinta stating you don’t need it to be “civilised” or “respectable”. Are these the words of someone who actually believes in Islam ?

What changed ? did you leave diinta or were you just pretending to be muslim all this time ?

1. Iman and Sada aren't gaal, they're clearly just secular Muslims

2. If you know how to read, you'd see that I wasn't defending, or even praised Ayan Hirsi's criticism of Islam, but rather, her academic achievements and her respectable status as an intellectual in the West. Let's be real here, she's no dummy

3. I'm a Muslim indeed, I just find it offensive that some people like to suggest that I'd be a "subhuman" or a "barbarian" without it, it suggests my sanity and the way I conduct myself as a respectable, civilised person in society is completely tied to a religion, which, lets be real, has both foreign origins (Arabia) and is almost entirely centred around them (pray in Arabic, dress like them, compulsory once-in-a-lifetime visit to their country, etc.). Its akin to how Whites used to tell their West African slaves how they'd be barbarians without Christianity. Again, very dehumanising

Anywho, not going to argue on this topic any further

 

[Future]

1. Iman and Sada aren't gaal, they're clearly just secular Muslims

2. If you know how to read, you'd see that I wasn't defending, or even praised Ayan Hirsi's criticism of Islam, but rather, her academic achievements and her respectable status as an intellectual in the West. Let's be real here, she's no dummy

3. I'm a Muslim indeed, I just find it offensive that some people like to suggest that I'd be a "subhuman" or a "barbarian" without it, it suggests my sanity and the way I conduct myself as a respectable, civilised person in society is completely tied to a religion, which, lets be real, has both foreign origins (Arabia) and is almost entirely centred around them (pray in Arabic, dress like them, compulsory once-in-a-lifetime visit to their country, etc.). Its akin to how Whites used to tell their West African slaves how they'd be barbarians without Christianity. Again, very dehumanising

Anywho, not going to argue on this topic any further

Ayan Hersi committed one of the worst sins (don't know if becoming atheist is worse than shirk) and brags about it. She goes even further by throwing our ppl under the bus on television in front of the whole world. There's nothing to respect there! I don't give damn, even if she held a PhD in 3 different fields, she's no sister of mine.
Sometimes things are more black and white than you'd think (no gray area here), and with this woman, she's gone. No respect!
Another thing, there are way more cultures around Islam than Arabs. They are actually one of the fewest. Indonesia is the most populous muslim country. It wasn't just Mohamed SAW that came from arab area. Ciise is from bethlaham. You think European Christans will tell u they have arab culture because of their God? Musa from Egypt, Ibrahim and Ismail built our beloved kaaba. Jews and Christans both believe in all those prophets except mohamed yet u think we r the ones wanting to be arab? Lol dressing with modesty is obligatory for all Muslims. We not trying to be like them. Get your head straight.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

1. Iman and Sada aren't gaal, they're clearly just secular Muslims

2. If you know how to read, you'd see that I wasn't defending, or even praised Ayan Hirsi's criticism of Islam, but rather, her academic achievements and her respectable status as an intellectual in the West. Let's be real here, she's no dummy

3. I'm a Muslim indeed, I just find it offensive that some people like to suggest that I'd be a "subhuman" or a "barbarian" without it, it suggests my sanity and the way I conduct myself as a respectable, civilised person in society is completely tied to a religion, which, lets be real, has both foreign origins (Arabia) and is almost entirely centred around them (pray in Arabic, dress like them, compulsory once-in-a-lifetime visit to their country, etc.). Its akin to how Whites used to tell their West African slaves how they'd be barbarians without Christianity. Again, very dehumanising

Anywho, not going to argue on this topic any further

1. You can’t be secular & muslim at the same time it’s an oxymoron. They contradict each other that’s why it’s not possible to espouse both beliefs simultaneously. As for Sada mire I don’t know much about her which is why I didn’t comment on her but the fact you state that’s she’s secular is problematic as it’s doesn’t negate the contradiction at hand.

2. How are you dissociating their beliefs, worldviews from them? The same white people you’re criticising also had better “academic achievements” than their african slaves but you would never praise them for it despite this why ? You would never overlook their treatment of these slaves no matter their achievements & status. So how come you managed to overlook ayaan’s attack on your religion & culture ? Would you mind telling us the positive outcomes in engaging in fornication with a bisexual atheist, being used by right wing cadan who not only hate for your religion but also in you being non-white


3. The point @Enter alluded to was factual as Islam comes with its own moral system. Throwing it away leads to moral decay of the society & this is self evident. If you look at the social ills affecting 2nd, 3rd etc generation of muslims it boils down to engaging in actions prohibited by Islam such as zina,alcohol, riba gambling, lgbt etc.

Take for instance your support for these women who clearly engage in actions that violate not only diinta but our dhaqan. It’s all rooted in white secular liberalism yet you seem to have no issues with it. You’ve adopted your host nation’s values and norms with which you then use it as some form of standard to judge your own diin & dhaqan.

These women were eloquent & classy not because we somalis view them as such but because cadan say so. They epitomize cadan values, beliefs etc hence the connotation of giving us a “good” image.

It’s evident something has clearly changed in your belief system regarding diinta. I hope that you’re not far gone to the extent that you view diinta as some form of arabic imperialism.

 

[Xoxoxo]

I ain’t got an issue with Somali Atheists but I draw the line at Ayaan Hirsi Ali and her polemics.

She seriously argued for converting Muslims en masse to Christianity.

Not only that, she talked shit about Somali people as a whole and our image here got ruined forever because off her.

 

[senor chang]

Not only that, she talked shit about Somali people as a whole and our image here got ruined forever because off her.

Really?

 

[Xoxoxo]

Really?

She made Somalis look like complete savages.

we definitely have our own issues, but she was next level. Not only did she criticise us but she made us out to be illegal immigrants who didn’t deserve to live here.

 

[Lebron James]

She made Somalis look like complete savages.

we definitely have our own issues, but she was next level. Not only did she criticise us but she made us out to be illegal immigrants who didn’t deserve to live here.

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[Periplus]

She made Somalis look like complete savages.

we definitely have our own issues, but she was next level. Not only did she criticise us but she made us out to be illegal immigrants who didn’t deserve to live here.

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Funny thing is that a Dutch investigation found that she was not honest in her asylum applications.

She had to resign from parliament because of the controversy.

NB: Ayaan claims that she was dishonest for her own safety and uses two letters as proof.

 

[Man with a garuun]

Marriage between 2 Muslims. Maasha'Allah. I hope she doesn't feel racism within her husband's family. Turks are very nationalistic.

 

[Enter]

Just because Polygamy has been carried out forever does not mean it is suitable for our modern economy something you have failed to grasp is my point no matter how many times I must repeat it to you. Slavery was acceptable for the economy not that long ago but that does not mean it is acceptable now. If most men can't support polygamy, then is it not better to discourage it then promote it among the community?

I have no reason to lie. I grew up in London. there are more somalis there than in the majority of towns back home. I know my parents use to exclusively make friends with people from the north and it is a shame that I was raised that way. Why do you see people wearing their Somaliland bracelets whenever you go out in London? I am well travelled and saw Somalis in Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania and the middle east growing up. I know that being from the same tribe can be the difference between being invited for a meal or not in the diaspora. For me to say that all somalis don't feel the same way about each other because of qabil is not a lie, you are simply a fool if you believe the contrary.

I don't know anything about you but while I seem to be basing things on my personal experience and observations. You seem to dismiss everything with your idealism. If people are still having these conversations decades later then clearly no change has happened and things are getting worse. Out of all the problems the Diaspora face not liking the promotion of wahabism is the reason for all the bad in the diaspora? Good to see you have your priorities straight.

I'm new here and I don't know how long you've been here, but out of everything in my initial post the only thing that seemed to upset you was my use of the word wahhabism. I never said it was the only problem why not talk about my point on colonialism and western propaganda? Ah right, that doesn't fit your narrative of me blaming everything on wahabism. Keep using your propaganda IQ studies to make jabs at Somalis, that definitely doesn't reinforce the fact you were projecting. Ask your Lord for some guidance, we all know he hasn't answered in a while. Until then people like me will continue to have these conversations and it won't end until things change both at home and here in the Diaspora.

Your initial point hinges on the fact they unconditionally encourage polygyny when that just isn't true. They won't encourage a man to marry multiple wives if he can't fulfil his duties. What you have done is propped up an image of men that insist on taking their Islamic rights while shirking their duties and labelled it Salafism and Wahabism. That is not what it is. That is just good old misogyny that is and will be around everywhere. This issue of men abusing polygyny in the Somali community is completely detached from the resurgence of Islamic conservatism (which is extremely overplayed). Somalis were not nearly as liberal pre-91 as you state, and are not as conservative now as this generation thinks. The biggest proponents of polygyny are the ones that marry and ditch wives back home every other summer. By far they constitute the mafrish old heads that barely practise the deen and live for their personal comfort.

My issue is not with your use or criticism of Wahabism. It's with you relating the entirely unrelated "problem" of Somali women marrying out then dropping the Xalimo origin story.

Or maybe no change has been happening because people aren't addressing the actual problems. You see it everywhere. On Somali forums, IRL, even in Somali societies at universities. This especially pertains to gender discourse. People show up, push an agenda and call it a day. If you don't swallow their narrative whole you're a woman/man-hater.
Like you're straight-faced claiming people are loyal to their qabil, but not the Somali identity in the diaspora. It's one thing to say people gravitate towards one another and an entirely different thing to say clan is stronger than ethnicity in the diaspora. I'm not from London, but I have lived in London. There are a lot of Somalis in the city so it's not surprising people form sub-communities along clan lines just like they do in Somalia. But more than anything else Somalis interact, live and socialize with one another as Somalis first and foremost. Your parents represent a small segment of the diaspora.

 

[Mr.Humphrey]

Your initial point hinges on the fact they unconditionally encourage polygyny when that just isn't true. They won't encourage a man to marry multiple wives if he can't fulfil his duties. What you have done is propped up an image of men that insist on taking their Islamic rights while shirking their duties and labelled it Salafism and Wahabism. That is not what it is. That is just good old misogyny that is and will be around everywhere. This issue of men abusing polygyny in the Somali community is completely detached from the resurgence of Islamic conservatism (which is extremely overplayed). Somalis were not nearly as liberal pre-91 as you state, and are not as conservative now as this generation thinks. The biggest proponents of polygyny are the ones that marry and ditch wives back home every other summer. By far they constitute the mafrish old heads that barely practise the deen and live for their personal comfort.

My issue is not with your use or criticism of Wahabism. It's with you relating the entirely unrelated "problem" of Somali women marrying out then dropping the Xalimo origin story.

Or maybe no change has been happening because people aren't addressing the actual problems. You see it everywhere. On Somali forums, IRL, even in Somali societies at universities. This especially pertains to gender discourse. People show up, push an agenda and call it a day. If you don't swallow their narrative whole you're a woman/man-hater.
Like you're straight-faced claiming people are loyal to their qabil, but not the Somali identity in the diaspora. It's one thing to say people gravitate towards one another and an entirely different thing to say clan is stronger than ethnicity in the diaspora. I'm not from London, but I have lived in London. There are a lot of Somalis in the city so it's not surprising people form sub-communities along clan lines just like they do in Somalia. But more than anything else Somalis interact, live and socialize with one another as Somalis first and foremost. Your parents represent a small segment of the diaspora.

Thank you for helping me understand. I should not have extrapolated my experience to the entire Somali community.

 

[Xoxoxo]

Funny thing is that a Dutch investigation found that she was not honest in her asylum applications.

She had to resign from parliament because of the controversy.

NB: Ayaan claims that she was dishonest for her own safety and uses two letters as proof.

Which was a lie.

Her family and even Somali friends living here confirmed that she wasn’t endangered, her father wasn’t hunting her down, the dude was busy living in the west being rich after he and his friends ruined our country.

She’s literally the daughter of a war criminal, people found that out and the government has been inspecting Somali people for years right now because they found idiots and rich ass Somali people like Ayaan lie about their past and are actual economical immigrants.

she may be intelligent but I have no respect for her whatsoever

 

[Xoxoxo]

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She was a complete ?racist? Or better said she discriminated against other minorities. She never considered herself to be a part of us because she’s supposedly oh so intelligent, smart and better brought up because off her family history and past living.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

@Enter sxb don't waste your time with humphery waa gaal, it's not a coincidence that he's blaming our social ills on wahabism, radical islam iyo what not, all of it is just to hide his really agenda which is to blame diinta itself. Just read what he wrote below.

The quran has hundreds of verses missing from surah al-ahzab, it used to be the size of baqarah. Lots of quran was lost after the prophet died and before the quran was compiled during the apostacy wars and the conflict with musaylimah. Then again I wouldn't expect your average somali who never studied the quran and the history of islam intensely to know this.

Most of the stuff you were taught in those hadiths are fabricated within the last 200 years by the saudi government and wahabi movements. Please do your research on the origins of Christianity and Islam and how they sprung from Judaism. Tell the saudi government to open madina so we can see the prophets perfectly preserved body according to the sahih hadith. I have my doubts on whether Muhammad is actually even buried there.

Why is there no mention of the Kabah or Makkah during any trading routes with the romans, yet there is a surat named after the romans supposedly predicting their victory over the persians during the time of its revalation? I know I am going to get hate for this but i also believe the quran was written after the prophets time like the bible. Why the need for abrogations and contradicting laws relating to alcohol if all the quran came from the same source? I respect peoples beliefs but please go do research guys and don't let societal conditioning and your cognitive biases prevent you from seeking alternative information.

Chrisitians and Jews according to hadith said that the Quran was falsified by Muhammad and this then led to the cleansing of the Jews from Madina, this helped solidify Madina as a power base. Only when not following abrahamic religions can one look objectively and realise that these religions were political idealogies that sprung from the combination of monotheism from the zoroastrians and the 42 laws of ma'at that the ancient egyptians followed, this then gave rise to the ten commandments. The desire for power over the followers of Jesus led to the adoption of christianity by the Romans, and the desire for an empire for the Arab peoples that were sandwiched between the Romans and Persians led to the creation of Islam.

 

[Ratchetandclank]

Why do xalimos hold 0 standards for ajnabis? The Inferiority complex is so sad

 

[Mr.Humphrey]

@Enter sxb don't waste your time with humphery waa gaal, it's not a coincidence that he's blaming our social ills on wahabism, radical islam iyo what not, all of it is just to hide his really agenda which is to blame diinta itself. Just read what he wrote below.

I'm perfectly capable of having healthy debates. Despite what you think I don't have an agenda. I'm skeptical of a lot of things, that post was me expressing some of my thoughts. If you don't think someone is worth having a conversation with because they are not muslim then I hope you develop some open mindedness.

 

[Man with a garuun]

WiThouT IsLam YoU wOulD bE bArBariaNs! I can't stand that crowd wallahi. Is Iman, Ayan Hirsi ali, Sada Mire trashy? No, they're all classy, eloquent women who give us a good image, unlike the ones running around joining ISIS

Yes, they're trashy. Ayaan Hersi being dumbest of all who appears wherever Islamophopes need her to attack Islam. Not only is she trashy, she is also ugly.