So you support homosexuals, atheist’s, pathological lairs and murtads? Sorry guess I’m old school
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We support our people irrespective of their deen in the Djibouti community. It’s called being civil unfortunately some Somali don’t know about that which breeds intolerance. People are individuals and we should judge them accordingly. On a side note, i wish we were this passionate to speak about the pressing issues affecting the Somali community. Such as rape, father abandoning their kids ( we don’t even stigmatize the fathers that do that thus becoming the norm!!!), gangs problems, education ( Somali women value education more than the men) etc…. Where’s the concern for these topics butttttttt they would rather make up lies that women marry for .25 cents and are cheap and clean instead of looking inwards. A society is made up of families! If the family unit is dysfunctional the community is dysfunctional! But what do I know am just an emotional Somali women……
You are a liberal white washed Somali
There are no WEs if we do not have an identity. You’re trying to rob our identity by establishing western ideologies right in our backyards. If you wanna marry bums and support homosexuals go and vote democrat but don’t come on a Somali forum and belittle people for not sharing the same ideas/views as you. At least the white man acknowledges my cultural belief and respects my boundaries. You new aged Somalis are crazy wallahi
Only on the internet do Somalis declare that we don't follow our culture. As if Somalis aren't notoriously tight-knit. Like we don't have strong ties to and rep Somalia hard despite the unmatched shithole it is. I can already tell what direction this is taking. You're going to disavow any element of Somali culture that originates in Islam, or from colonialism/middle eastern influence until anything that's not hilib ari iyo caano geel and a geeljire LARP cosplay is cast out.
No. They're wealthier because they graduate, work and start businesses at dramatically higher rates. Is it because they're inherently smarter? No. There are perfectly rational variables behind why they succeed and the 'Wahabi' boogeyman isn't it. Not to mention that they, South Asians, are far more endogamous. They also marry from within the family at dramatically higher rates, often times a practice that originates in preserving family wealth.
Black and white thinking is you genuinely believing that Somali girls marry out because ultimately wahabism. There's definitely some injustice when it comes to gender relations in our community. We have had an entire generation where one half held up their end of the bargain while the other --at times for reasons beyond their control -- have completely and utterly shirked theirs. Do I believe Somali women deserve more than the refugee generation before us was stuck with? Do I believe they should be educated, develop confidence, and live fulfilling lives? Yes. Liberalism and feminism is not the way forward. The core problem Somalis, and many other communities face is the sickness in the nuclear family.
LOOOOl I have more Somalinomo and waliltimo than you. The lack of self awareness is too much! The Somali community was and is oppressive to Somali women! Alhamdulilah we have our rights in Djibouti! Granted it’s not perfect but better than Somalia! Anyways, if your not able to have an honest dialogue that’s on you and says a lot about you! All I know is that type of the Somali women that marry Somali men are drug deals and bums! We have to aim low because most somali men are not excelling in terms of finance. All I know is that am picky AF and will marry whoever is able to do he job correctly!
Belief is personal and cannot be forced on people, but you should be careful with what you tolerate because it can and will reflect in society. That's not civility.
I'm surprised the other girl said she's Muslim while touting Ayaan Ali Hirsi as a good example. A woman who built her entire career on the degradation of Muslims and Somalis. A woman that went on every damn channel and told a verified lie about the savagery of Somalis for having forced her into a marriage with a man who she never met, and a wedding she never attended. She's from a prestigious background, more than any of us shitposting on this website. Her family are wealthy. Her siblings IIRC are all accomplished and respected doctors in London. She just took the easy way out by pulling a Candance Owens before Candace Owens for anti-immigration Dutch populists. And this girl thinks she's a good example of a Somali because she's well-spoken. Personally don't give a shit what people believe, but not everything should be publically encouraged or given a voice.
Stop beating around the bush. The statements I’ve made were not directed at a particular individual so I don’t care if you’re picky. Marry whoever you want no one cares, there are enough Somali girls to go around.
My point is that you need to stop slandering us and keep our names out of your mouth.
Slandering? You literally attacked all Somali dads because you have daddy issues
Ayan Hersi is a role to those girls apparently
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As a Muslim anyone who attacks the prophet should be met with the sword. Ayan Hersi spent decades attacking our prophet and religion, this is why I simply asked if she was in fact a Muslim there was nothing else to say after that. Her response left me confused. I’ve learned to accept that not all of us are Muslims nowadays. It’s a sad reality
Lol Liberalism is wrong because it doesn't promote nuclear families but multiple wives all doing the child rearing, household duties and dealing with the finances alone is okay. what is the difference between a liberal single mother getting a cheque from the government and a ploygamous marriage where the man isn't home most of the time.
As for being tight knit maybe to their qabil but as a community on the whole nope. How many successionist states are there now?
I don't have a problem with Islamic/Arab influence or any other countries influence on somali culture. Maacawis came from indonesia. canjero came from the habesha. Cultures trade ideas and things change, something you brainwashed salafis who want to live the exact same as people 1400 years ago until the end of time don't seem to understand. The culture is suffering and not just on the internet. Do you know any Diaspora kids that know somali poetry or know how to play traditional somali music, probably not?
I never brought up intelligence when talking about south asians so don't project your insecurities on me. You brought up preserving family wealth and my point stands, dividing wealth between multiple families is what wahabism promotes. Why have these men shirked their duties? because you guys all make excuses for the men and crucify the women for the smallest things. The men wage war and the women pick up the pieces. smh
Your Barbarity is showing. I hope you don't live in the west, I am sure Al shabab would love to have you.
You’re an African who’s parents are from a 3rd world country and you’re talking to me like a white man in India. I know who I am and I am happy with it but are you truly happy? I bet every time you see Somalis being Somalis your blood boils lol
Again slander. I have never mentioned Ayan Hirsi so please stop lying on my name.
lol, I never once brought up white people in any of my posts. You automatically bringing them up and putting them on a pedastal shows me the kind of racial hierarchy you hold in your head.
I think it is barbaric to kill someone over something they say. Where did you get race and 3rd world from. Disgusting projection on your part. If you let the white mans belief about Africa and Somalia stay in your head rent free that does not mean I do. Don't call Somalia 3rd world to me nacas.
I'm a proud Somali that loves seeing other Somalis being themselves. Being Somali does not have anything to do with any religion its our dna and culture. We are individuals not a cult. Nothing makes my blood boil more than a pathetic insecure Somali like you. Uuf
A man should not be marrying multiple wives unless he can adequately take care of them. That is one of the legitimate grievances of the past generation. Islam is clear cut in the obligations of a husband and father, and it is safe to say that in a disproportionate number of Somali households, those obligations were not met. Therefore, it's not unreasonable to say that those men should not have married multiple wives. What is difficult to grasp about that? Why is it one or the other?
You should also understand that polygyny has been present in Somali culture forever. This so-called 'Wahabi' generation you insist on blaming for everything practice polygyny at a lower rate. Most of our fathers here don't have multiple wives, but chances are that the majority of your great-grandfathers certainly did.
Tight-knit about qabiil? Stop the cap. For all the legitimate problems in the community, why must you folks lie and exaggerate? The diaspora is not nearly big enough for anyone to be picky, nor do these yutes know anything about qabiil. Somali is Somali. I'm going to assume you're one of those Somalis who were socialized with the community online because your takes are terrible.
You embody why Somalis will never overcome their struggle in the diaspora. You are latched onto a literal buzzword you do not understand and try to blame every ill on it while refusing to address the actual underlying issue. Y'all been circlejerking about issues in the community for decades at this point, and you'll still talk about the exact same topics another 15 years from now. I clocked these sort of conversations aren't even about the actual problems, it's a massive support group.
I didn't say you said that. My lord, I was merely pointing out that I didn't believe they were inherently better than us despite beating us on every positive metric. There are simply other rational factors at play. You're giving off some serious 68-IQ vibes.
Just because Polygamy has been carried out forever does not mean it is suitable for our modern economy something you have failed to grasp is my point no matter how many times I must repeat it to you. Slavery was acceptable for the economy not that long ago but that does not mean it is acceptable now. If most men can't support polygamy, then is it not better to discourage it then promote it among the community?
I have no reason to lie. I grew up in London. there are more somalis there than in the majority of towns back home. I know my parents use to exclusively make friends with people from the north and it is a shame that I was raised that way. Why do you see people wearing their Somaliland bracelets whenever you go out in London? I am well travelled and saw Somalis in Somalia, Kenya, Tanzania and the middle east growing up. I know that being from the same tribe can be the difference between being invited for a meal or not in the diaspora. For me to say that all somalis don't feel the same way about each other because of qabil is not a lie, you are simply a fool if you believe the contrary.
I don't know anything about you but while I seem to be basing things on my personal experience and observations. You seem to dismiss everything with your idealism. If people are still having these conversations decades later then clearly no change has happened and things are getting worse. Out of all the problems the Diaspora face not liking the promotion of wahabism is the reason for all the bad in the diaspora? Good to see you have your priorities straight.
I'm new here and I don't know how long you've been here, but out of everything in my initial post the only thing that seemed to upset you was my use of the word wahhabism. I never said it was the only problem why not talk about my point on colonialism and western propaganda? Ah right, that doesn't fit your narrative of me blaming everything on wahabism. Keep using your propaganda IQ studies to make jabs at Somalis, that definitely doesn't reinforce the fact you were projecting. Ask your Lord for some guidance, we all know he hasn't answered in a while. Until then people like me will continue to have these conversations and it won't end until things change both at home and here in the Diaspora.
She's still much more accomplished (got into dutch parliament as a first gen refugee, worked for several well known think tanks, published many books) than the avg habar with suugo stained diracs who shamelessly steals public funds while screaming about Islamnimo
I ain’t got an issue with Somali Atheists but I draw the line at Ayaan Hirsi Ali and her polemics.
She seriously argued for converting Muslims en masse to Christianity.
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She's still much more accomplished (got into dutch parliament as a first gen refugee, worked for several well known think tanks, published many books) than the avg habar with suugo stained diracs who shamelessly steals public funds while screaming about Islamnimo
I'm against scamming the welfare system and people being useless but you gotta understand abaayo Ayaan also lied and she was caught eventually and punished for her lies at the same time she sold her soul to gain fame and success, that's not good..
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The Ummah thing is a myth, only poor ignorant people like the Somalis believe this everyone else especially the wealthy arabs don't believe in this.
