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[AussieHustler]

I like seafood but I'm afraid of the small bones you can choke on

@abdiwarrior

Put your trust in Allah and you won’t choke on them. Don’t be kafirs like @Abdi-indhoyare and @YourBroMoe

 

[Dalmoor]

1) I said that the threat of hell-fire is a compulsion tactic because it aims to draw someone to the religion by invoking fear within them. Apostates are forced to hide their views because religious law dictates that their way of thinking is deserving of death. If the only way you can escape death is by conforming to the religious views of the society that you are in are you not being forced?

2) The issue with your concept of test/reward is that in order to go to heaven you have to accept that there is no god but allah and that muhammad is his messenger. It doesn't matter how "good" of a person you are; if you reject Islam you are most likely going to hell. So when you say there must be "consequences", what are these consequences for? Why should a Christian, Jew, Hindu, Atheist or Agnostic face consequences for exercising their free-will and rational faculties to come to a different conclusion than you? When I say that I'm exercising my free-will and intellect I'm not saying I'm sitting idly.. Idk where you got that from. I said that I'm looking for the truth and that Islam is not it.

3) Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world due to birthrates. Most of the countries with the highest population growths are Muslim countries. Religious conversion rates have no significant net effect on the population growth of Islam.
Read this for more info:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...e-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

In the West however there are probably more people leaving Islam than joining

First of all, Can you stop imagining things or or making things look like real. It's your opinion, you tryna make it like it's a proven fact.... you ain't expert. I'm talking about your myths of (due to fear, they join Islam?l) pure bs


Secondly, you need to know that there is a reason why you came to this world. Worshipping the most high....that's why there are religions(ever thought so) and there is only one religion that Allah wants you to be. I'm not gonna argue you with that(but I instead told you to have your own deen while I have mine[I didn't force you nor convince you to come to Islam)

You don't even believe in any religion. Does that even make sense. There is nothing called I'm a good person and I don't need to have religion and it's my own free will. Do you even contemplate about why you're here in this world? What's the purpose of it?

You atheists, gaalada ayaa idin dhaanto for one reason; at least they have religion.... whether they going to hell or Paradise. They have religion, Isn't it?

Islam is growing fast not only because of birthrate.... you sound dumb right now
E
ver seen how Muslims increased in the West; be it immigrants or non immigrant? The projections in future forth coming year show increase in percentage too.

In the West however there are probably more people leaving Islam than joining

Now that's your eeny meeny miny moe opinion.

Just because you in the west, doesn't mean you change your religion. You probably grew up being muslim, but being in the ^WEST^ you think you've ^progressed^ and decided to forget about the teachings and all things about Islam? Is that what you base this on? or you prolly misunderstood "When in Rome, act like Romanians"

Well, all in all; have your own free will you believe... You better know that there are consequences and what's called judgement in the afterlife

I'm done. Adiós

 

[Kratos]

I'm done. Adiós

Well I'm not done with you yet so come back waryaa

First of all, Can you stop imagining things or or making things look like real. It's your opinion, you tryna make it like it's a proven fact.... you ain't expert. I'm talking about your myths of (due to fear, they join Islam?l) pure bs

It is my opinion and I never said it's a fact. That's why I asked you "If the only way you can escape death is by conforming to the religious views of the society that you are in are you not being forced?" I want to know your opinion but you avoided my question.

Secondly, you need to know that there is a reason why you came to this world. Worshipping the most high....that's why there are religions(ever thought so) and there is only one religion that Allah wants you to be. I'm not gonna argue you with that(but I instead told you to have your own deen while I have mine[I didn't force you nor convince you to come to Islam)

You don't even believe in any religion. Does that even make sense. There is nothing called I'm a good person and I don't need to have religion and it's my own free will. Do you even contemplate about why you're here in this world? What's the purpose of it?

I literally said in my previous post that I am searching for the truth (i.e meaning of life etc.) but that I don't accept Islam's claim to truth. But you also conveniently ignored that part. You don't need religion in order to be a good person. How can you, when different religions have different rules regarding what is good and what is evil? Shirk is the biggest sin in Islam but Hindus commit shirk everyday. From your perspective they are sinning but from theirs they are not. So it doesn't make sense to say "There is nothing called I'm a good person and I don't need to have religion and it's my own free will" because as is clearly evident, you can have a religion but still not be a good person.

You atheists, gaalada ayaa idin dhaanto for one reason; at least they have religion.... whether they going to hell or Paradise. They have religion, Isn't it?

An Atheist is a gaal... A gaal is just a non-Muslim. Again, this is a dumb argument. Do you know how many religions there are? Do you know how logically incoherent some of them are? What's the point of having a religion for the sake of having religion?

Islam is growing fast not only because of birthrate.... you sound dumb right now
E
ver seen how Muslims increased in the West; be it immigrants or non immigrant? The projections in future forth coming year show increase in percentage too.

Yes it is... Did you click on the link lol? Pew Research Centre is the gold standard of surveys. You just ignored it and dismissed observable facts. Muslim immigrants have higher birth rates than their host population so naturally their population will grow within their host countries as well. But when you look at conversion rates to and from Islam, there is no positive net effect on the population growth. The research is conclusive.

Just because you in the west, doesn't mean you change your religion. You probably grew up being muslim, but being in the ^WEST^ you think you've ^progressed^ and decided to forget about the teachings and all things about Islam? Is that what you base this on? or you prolly misunderstood "When in Rome, act like Romanians"

Well, all in all; have your own free will you believe... You better know that there are consequences and what's called judgement in the afterlife

No, I don't believe in the religion because it doesn't make sense to me. If I wanted to conform to society I would become a Christian since the country that I live in is mostly christian but I reject christianity too. Stop deflecting and address my points waryaa

 

[AussieHustler]

@abdiwarrior

Did you benefit anything valuable from the stimulating debate between @Dalmoor & @abdiwarrior ?

It’s futile and only generates into anger and insults to debate theism and atheism. Having said that, I applaud both gentlemen who have engaged one another with respect.

 

[Dalmoor]

It is my opinion and I never said it's a fact. That's why I asked you "If the only way you can escape death is by conforming to the religious views of the society that you are in are you not being forced?" I want to know your opinion but you avoided my question.

I didn't avoid any of your question, instead I said things aren't the way you think it is. Didn't I just say that it ain't compulsory for you to convert to Islam? Well, if you wanna learn more abojt the deen... it's acceptable, but no one is FORCING you to convert to Islam. You seem to be avoiding that

I said that the threat of hell-fire is a compulsion tactic because it aims to draw someone to the religion by invoking fear within them.

I was referring to this. How do you know about this and what proof do you have about it? It ain't good to just imagime things? Sounds pretty brainwashed to me, unless you got proven facts.. till then you can't just imagine bs on a serious case

I literally said in my previous post that I am searching for the truth (i

Well, search for it.. I ain't preventing you to do that

Yes it is... Did you click on the link lol? Pew Research Centre is the gold standard of surveys

I said it ain't the only factor why Islam is growing rapidly. Read between the lines...

This is what I said

"Islam is growing fast not only because of birthrates"

If you do comprehend the language, you know that I included that factor; but It ain't the only reason as to why it's having such a massive increase

There is nothing called I'm a good person and I don't need to have religion and it's my own free will" because as is clearly evident, you can have religion but still not be a good person.

I didn't deny that.

You think just cause you have a religion, you're an angel according to what you thought I said?

That's why there are consequences. In Islam there is something called tawba, it means you can ask for forgiveness from Allah. There isn't anyone who's perfect.... everyone is trying his/her best.

An Atheist is a gaal... A gaal is just a non-Muslim. Again, this is a dumb argument.

You seem to be having problem witb Somali language, I guess.

Earlier or in the past, there weren't any atheists. If anything, there were pagans...but still had a worshipping place(shrine like).

Due to that, gaal was known as any christian, a jew was known as yahuud, a hindu, hindu and a muslim muslin/islaan/m. But if we look at all those besides muslim fall under gaalo or in Arabic kufaar/disbelievers. There wasn't a name for atheist since there weren't prevalent and known in thoze times. But since they're modern thing to at least somali's view ; they're classified as gaalo.

The gaal I was talking about is the Christian. I even described it for you and said, they at least have religion. Since when do atheist had religion? Sometimes understanding is vital.

You also need DC(dhaqan celis) which ain't my business if you do go thru it or not

No, I don't believe in the religion

What's this "if" then?

"If I wanted to conform to society I would become a Christian since thecountry that I live in ismostly christian"

There is no "ifs or even buts" take a stand on who you're and what you believe.
You seem to be contradicitng yourself. Take a deep breath and slowly type down your thoughts. "Be sure but slow" I guess

Well I'm not done with you yet so come back waryaa

I wanted to go but it seems that the game has just begun

 

[Dalmoor]

@abdiwarrior

Did you benefit anything valuable from the stimulating debate between @Dalmoor & @abdiwarrior ?

It’s futile and only generates into anger and insults to debate theism and atheism. Having said that, I applaud both gentlemen who have engaged one another with respect.

Looks like the party has just begun

Moreover, I'm not a fan of abusive, anger, insults type of person. I keep it simple..

well, sommmetimmmes

 

[Kratos]

I said it ain't the only factor why Islam is growing rapidly. Read between the lines...

This is what I said

"Islam is growing fast not only because of birthrates"

If you do comprehend the language, you know that I included that factor; but It ain't the only reason as to why it's having such a massive increase

Birthrates are the only reason Islam is growing so fast. Click on the link and read it!!
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...e-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/

Here's another one:
http://www.pewforum.org/2011/01/27/the-future-of-the-global-muslim-population/

"The limited information on conversion indicates that there is some movement both into and out of Islam but that there is no major net gain or loss."

High fertility rates + large young population who are at/approaching the age of when they will be having families = massive growth. All other factors are negligible, especially religious conversion

As for the rest of the points/arguments; I give up, we won't get anywhere. The above is fact though^.

 

[Dalmoor]

Birthrates are the only reason Islam is growing so fast.

You say it's the only reason, right?


In the article it says "The main reasons for Islam's growth ultimately involve simple demographics.

Reasons= meaning there are other factors/reasons, not only birthrates.

I've debunked one of your lies by using your own samples/links/sources. Jow sweet!

As for the rest of the points/arguments; I give up, we won't get anywhere. The above is fact though^.

Yea, give up cause you don't have any more lies left. Isn't it that way?

I thought the party had just begun, but I guess not for ya


If you don't have anything else to say and you give up.... let's agree to disagree. That's about it

 

[Kratos]

You say it's the only reason, right?


In the article it says "The main reasons for Islam's growth ultimately involve simple demographics.

Reasons= meaning there are ither factors/reasons not only birthrate. I've debunked one of your lies by using your own samples/links/sources.


Yea, give up cause you don't have any more lies left. Isn't it that way?

I thought the party had just begun


If you don't have anything else to say and you give up.... let's agree to disagree. That's about it

Demographics is the only reason why it's growing so FAST. There are other factors contributing to it's overall growth, yes, but they do not explain the rapid growth therefore they are negligible. The growth rate of the Muslim population would not be significant if it wasn't for demographics. The only other factor is conversion rate which has been shown to have no net effect on the overall population size.

And yes, let's agree to disagree.

 

[Dalmoor]

And yes, let's agree to disagree

The only reasonable thing I saw was this.

Anyway, let's agree to disagree I guess!

 

[Dalmoor]

@Abdi-indhoyare What do you say about Bantu ethnic group's people popping out as many kids as they can and they ain't even muslim.

 

[4head]

I believe only in God-Trump, he's real and he is the most powerful, handsome, almighty god in this PLANET!

 

[Kratos]

@Abdi-indhoyare What do you say about Bantu ethnic group's people popping out as many kids as they can and they ain't even muslim.

It's a common occurrence in places with high levels of poverty. Africa has the highest population growth out of any continent: http://www.un.org/en/sections/issues-depth/population/

Idk what relevance that has though; I didn't say that only Muslims have lots of kids. It's just that out of all the major world religions, Muslims have the highest birth rates.

 

[YourBroMoe]

Even if I explain it to you by a thousandth times, you won't get what I'm talking about since you seem to be naive about some things which I don't wanna go deep into.

The problem seems to be you not believe in any religion or even God sometimes. How you want me to have a debate with you while I have a religion, but you don't and sometimes deny your (existence/how and what created you). That's why I can't with you; maybe if you were Christian, we could've had a debate and worked something out as I'm muslim person

Have your beliefs, while I have mine

Every soul shall taste death. We all shall face judgements. Maybe you can ask those question in the afterlife confidently. Right, @YourBroMoe?

So I guess we're technically done debating haha

 

[YourBroMoe]

Tmr is Christmas Eve it's a national holiday or are you backing away from this argument because you ran out of material to spew out.

I work in Amazon. Customers want packages for Christmas. We're closed on the 25th and 26th. I said we'd pick this up tomorrow. Jerk off, play video games, watch a lunatic with a beard yell at you for 2 hours or whatever you do until then, we'll pick it up later.

 

[abdiwarrior]

I work in Amazon. Customers want packages for Christmas. We're closed on the 25th and 26th. I said we'd pick this up tomorrow. Jerk off, play video games, watch a lunatic with a beard yell at you for 2 hours or whatever you do until then, we'll pick it up later.

Jerk off ?

 

[Cazzo]

That's precisely what I'm doing. The issue is that if I don't accept Islam, according to you, I will be going to hell. That's what I was alluding to in my previous post. God will be punishing me for exercising the free-will and rational faculties which he gave me. Is that a merciful god? The strongest tool in the toolbox of religious proselytisers is fear.

Mercy is subjective, sxb. You're not answering the question: do you want to go to hell?

 

[Cazzo]

Yes, but you're being disciplined to correct yourself.

Being sent to Hell as a punishment leaves no room for correction. It's game over.

Your life is an opportunity for correction. Use it.

 

[Kratos]

Mercy is subjective, sxb. You're not answering the question: do you want to go to hell?

How is mercy subjective? And if hell existed I wouldn't want to go there but I doubt it exists so I'm not concerned.

 

[Cazzo]

How is mercy subjective? And if hell existed I wouldn't want to go there but I doubt it exists so I'm not concerned.

What is considered merciful varies from person to person. For example, one may consider it merciful to just go ahead and pull the plug on a dying grandparent and another may consider it the most despicable action known to man. Everyone person's thought process and consequentially moral ethics varies. This is a good comparison for the idea of mercy within Islam. The fact that you were born into Islam and raised in a Muslim environment may be considered a great mercy in itself. You were blessed by Allah (swt) but you've been confused in this Western and secular environment and I genuinely hope you find the path back to Allah (swt). Just always keep in mind why you exist and always remember to keep yourself humble. Because the "science" you place all of your faith in is constantly changing. The Holy Qu'ran has always remained the same. There's this new wicked idea that exists in secular nations that men have become their own gods and that's a recipe ripe for diaster.