Are ex muslims still considered Somalis?

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  1. No once you leave the fold of Islam, you leave Somalinimo

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  2. Yes

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  1. Abdi Hanson

    Abdi Hanson

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    Place your votes .

    Are ex muslims still considered Somalis?

    No , why

    Yes
     
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  2. Basra

    Basra Like Donald Trump, I like to be Spanked. VIP

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    So u r Godless. Why couldn't u answer me directly when i asked you before?
     
  3. AarHawd_7

    AarHawd_7 North-West, London

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    Every single person who voted Yes is a apostate simple as that, ahlu naar
     
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  4. Life

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    What does Somalinimo have to do with Islam? I get it, its the religion most of us follow and it has had a big influence on our culture but still. Genetically speaking you are still Somali whether you are Muslim or not.
     
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  5. kickz

    kickz Engineer of Qandala

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    Our version of coons :mjpls:
     
  6. Life

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    How?
     
  7. Libaaxseendheer

    Libaaxseendheer Guul ama geeri

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    No. Theyre shisheeye at that point. Ex muslim somali lose that community feeling. They act weird. I get habeshi shisheye vibes from them. Daacadnimoda aya ka tagto along with the deen. Waana dabodhilif for western culture, kinda like aussiehustler. I get zero somali vibes coming from him. He would betray me for a cold beer. Not to mention they think theyre woke and wanna push their kuffr down your throat, like theyre actually right
     
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  8. Abdi Hanson

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    Nope this has nothing to do with my religious affiliations as I've provided you with factual answers prior to that particular subject,
    just curious enough to know what Somalis perceive of ex muslims.

    As you are aware of within the recent years there have been influx of Somalis who are irreligious, atheists, agnostics , most of them have abandoned their previous faith and some are doubters not willing to disclose it to their close circles due to fear of being ostracised by the broader community.

    Isn't it fair enough to ask this question to regular Somalis
     
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  9. Abdi Hanson

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    I understand , and prior to their abandoning of faith they become outsiders within their own communities and it's understandable because this isn't tolerable within Somalis.
    But due note that regardless of their religious affiliations they're still seen as Somalis by outsiders , hence they'll likely get the same treatment discrimination by white supremacists .

    I personally know atheists and deists who are somali, each of them have variety of reasons why they left Islam.

    Some were driven due to anti arabism becoming the ones bad mouthing Islam on social media.

    And there are respectful people who mind their bussinessess and keep it to themselves.


    I ask you this
    Is the somali identity intertwined with Islam?
    We knew that Ilma Samaale were united under the banner of Islam , the birth of new generation but what were they before Islam?
     
  10. Abdi Hanson

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    Technically wise , genetically and ethnically yes.
    Your religious affiliations will not have an impact on your genetics thus changing is outstandingly illogical
    you are who you are .
    But are the mainstream somalis willing to accept this ?
    Unfortunately not

    Nobody wants to see a somali wearing a cross or a kippah on his head
    We've been told that we were the first ones to embrace Islam

    I hardly accept the fact that t is partially true because the Abbysinnians were the first to welcome the Sahaba .
     
  11. gurey

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    I couldnt consider them somali.
     
  12. Basra

    Basra Like Donald Trump, I like to be Spanked. VIP

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    Somalinism/Somaliniimo is a national identity. Or ethnic identity. Whether Christian or Muslim, or Godless, they are still Somali in my view.

    For example, there are Arab muslims, Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Athiest/Godless.


    Same applies with Somalis.


    But you cannot exist in Somalia being atheist, because part of being Somali is drenched with Islam in Somalia. U will be the odd man or woman out.
     
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  13. Molotoff

    Molotoff Supreme Bosniak Geeljire

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    Islam is such an essential and integral part of Somalnimo, so I voted yes on this matter.
     
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  14. Jiron

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    We are all human beings, sometimes people lose their faith, this is why it’s very important to treat them good and hopefully they will return to the deen by the great example u are setting :)
     
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  15. Life

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    To me, Somalinimo is comparable to nationalism. You don't have to be affiliated with a specific religion to be a nationalist or to admire and adore your country and culture. I always thought that the reasons as to why ex-Muslims were shunned in our communities were because they were different. I believe that in a way Somalis have a very communistic societal view. To explain that further, we act as a collective without respecting individuality. Everyone who stand out in one-way shape or form are shunned, spoken down to or looked down upon. Nobody wants to see a somali wear a kippah on their head or a cross around their neck because it's different and it isn't typical Somali. I think the fundamental reason why ex-Muslim are not accepted by mainstream media is that they are different. I bet, the same consequence would be granted if they were different in another way.

    Me personally, I respect individuality and believe that everyone has the right to live their life the way they choose to. I would never deny a Somali brother or sister their Somali identity because they choose to leave the religion. Somali is something you are and religion is something you believe in and that is that.
     
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  16. Boqorada Somalia

    Boqorada Somalia Long Live Majeerteeniya!

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    You can leave a religion

    You can not leave a race/ethnicity

    Ethnicity=somali
    Religion=islam

    The two dont need to be interwined nor is it acceptable to cut ties with your blood brother/sister over what they decide to do with themselves.
     
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  17. TekNiKo

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    No, I could never consider someone who turned his back on Allah SWT and his messenger Somali, they are a SHAYTAN.
     
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  18. Tukraq

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    yes there technically somali, but we don't fuck wit em, theres nobody further away from me then exmuslims
     
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  19. IslamIsTheAnswer

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    Sadly, yes. It's like being a Jew. You can eat bacon and ignore the halakhah, but whatever happens the world will consider you a Jew, always. If it were possible to press a botton and immediately cease being a member of a poor, backward, largely-illiterate Islamic barbarian group still organized primarily on a tribal level, I'm sure many ex Muslim Somalis would press that botton faster than you can say canjeero, but that botton does not exist.

    I'm not sure though why this topic keeps reappearing, as if being considered a Somali were some great honor that people would get offended that some random internet strangers no longer thought them to be Somalis.
     
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  20. Abdi Hanson

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    We act in communistic way when it comes to social groupings.
    Collectivism is in our culture, for example in Somalia or anywhere in Africa you are likely to engage conversations with your neighbours 10 or 20 times daily.
    "Ma barideen, iska waran xaalku sidu yahay .........................? and you see someone familiar and carry on with similar convo and so on .

    In western world it's practically non existence except within your closer circles and very rare going up to your neighbours saying such things .

    Just as you've stated , our people tend to be collectivists and individualism are particulary rare thus its very common among our people not to break that shell due to fear of retaliation , reprisals of social negligennce being looked down upon and sticking out like a sore thumb
    One of the main reasons why many ex muslim somalis are keen to conceal their religious affiliations.

    It's like being labelled a weirdo but you haven't done something weird enough to be labelled as such , then comes the shunning, acknowledging that this oftenly occurs it's best for that individual's interest to conceal his/her beliefs neither disclosing to their loved ones because that can be catastrophic .

    To avoid this just live your life and if you feel like you have to live up to their expectations then it's time to embrace individuality.

    No one wants to be a minority within a minority community ,
    when we are our own minority in foreign countries .

    The identity will remain the same wether Somalis like it or not .
     
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