Are ex muslims still considered Somalis?

[Southerner]

I personally add those who drink to the list of non-Somali's, it's so abnormal

 

[J-Rasta]

Somalinism/Somaliniimo is a national identity. Or ethnic identity. Whether Christian or Muslim, or Godless, they are still Somali in my view.

For example, there are Arab muslims, Arab Jews, Arab Christians and Arab Athiest/Godless.


Same applies with Somalis.


But you cannot exist in Somalia being atheist, because part of being Somali is drenched with Islam in Somalia. U will be the odd man or woman out.

True it's hard to be non muslim in Somalia and oftenly suicidal to disclose such things that are perceived negatively, however it's one of the main reasons why secularism will never work in Somalia.

Religious diversity are not common ethnically .

Our brethrens in Ethiopia the Oromo people (roughly the most populous ethnic group ) are religiously diverse
50 % Islam 48% Tewodro Christianity and 2% Waaq
inter-religious marriages occur within their populations because they are all oromo and united under the gaddaa system.

We Somalis had Xeer in the past but was deemed to be unsettling and unislamic .



Even though this ancient sheeko
There is this old somali folklore
Where the origins of the word gaallo was invented
It's believed it had ties to the Baale Gardheere Samaale
(the last few remaining somali gaalo tribes )
It's many reasons why baale oromo *originally somali oo gaalo ahaayeen assimilated to yejju oromo *
They were later converted to Islam by Adalites (Somali muslims)
but are oromosized and are part of the baale oromo branch.

 

[Gabz19988]

True it's hard to be non muslim in Somalia and oftenly suicidal to disclose such things that are perceived negatively, however it's one of the main reasons why secularism will never work in Somalia.

Religious diversity are not common ethnically .

Our brethrens in Ethiopia the Oromo people (roughly the most populous ethnic group ) are religiously diverse
50 % Islam 48% Tewodro Christianity and 2% Waaq
inter-religious marriages occur within their populations because they are all oromo and united under the gaddaa system.

We Somalis had Xeer in the past but was deemed to be unsettling and unislamic .



Even though this ancient sheeko
There is this old somali folklore
Where the origins of the word gaallo was invented
It's believed it had ties to the Baale Gardheere Samaale
(the last few remaining somali gaalo tribes )
It's many reasons why baale oromo *originally somali oo gaalo ahaayeen assimilated to yejju oromo *
They were later converted to Islam by Adalites (Somali muslims)
but are oromosized and are part of the baale oromo branch.

Who told u the gardheere tribes were the last remaining gaalo tribes

 

[J-Rasta]

I personally add those who drink to the list of non-Somali's, it's so abnormal

Drinking is a habit regardless of age nationality religions
Humans turn to drinking for various unknown reasons ,
it's totally inconclusive to add drunkards or occasionally drinkers to the list.
As your statement is understandable
Though it would be ridicoulous enough to include them.
Yes sometimes when you discover a drunkard is from the same country you are from and is a walking embarrassment , you kinda wish they were not somalis I partially agree with you on this .

I've seen somalis grabbing beer packs from the shelves and going to Friday prayers as if nothing happened .

 

[J-Rasta]

Who told u the gardheere tribes were the last remaining gaalo tribes

Not all gardheere were gaaloow
they were laanjeex (remember our older generation used to exile the somalis that were odd )

These exiles from all clans would become laanjeex the xeer were not applied to them.
Qabiilada la heyb socdo
They were vulnerabe to attacks by larger somali clans
They formed a federation called the baale, however they were no match for the unified somali sultanates
They sought protection from the yejju
Sidaas ayay ku oromowben

They were captured converted to Islam in the end but they lost the somali identity
They are no longer somalis today but are one of the oromo groups that have closer ties with akisho and gure( somali)

 

[Tukraq]

We act in communistic way when it comes to social groupings.
Collectivism is in our culture, for example in Somalia or anywhere in Africa you are likely to engage conversations with your neighbours 10 or 20 times daily.
"Ma barideen, iska waran xaalku sidu yahay .........................? and you see someone familiar and carry on with similar convo and so on .

In western world it's practically non existence except within your closer circles and very rare going up to your neighbours saying such things .

Just as you've stated , our people tend to be collectivists and individualism are particulary rare thus its very common among our people not to break that shell due to fear of retaliation , reprisals of social negligennce being looked down upon and sticking out like a sore thumb
One of the main reasons why many ex muslim somalis are keen to conceal their religious affiliations.

It's like being labelled a weirdo but you haven't done something weird enough to be labelled as such , then comes the shunning, acknowledging that this oftenly occurs it's best for that individual's interest to conceal his/her beliefs neither disclosing to their loved ones because that can be catastrophic .

To avoid this just live your life and if you feel like you have to live up to their expectations then it's time to embrace individuality.

No one wants to be a minority within a minority community ,
when we are our own minority in foreign countries .

The identity will remain the same wether Somalis like it or not .

like I said nobody further to me than exmuslims even regular gaals are closer, they should be shunned by our community and yes they also don't get accepted by the west irl(nobody respects a self hater) so they can go be by their lonely don't look this way for support

 

[Gabz19988]

Not all gardheere were gaaloow
they were laanjeex (remember our older generation used to exile the somalis that were odd )

These exiles from all clans would become laanjeex the xeer were not applied to them.
Qabiilada la heyb socdo
They were vulnerabe to attacks by larger somali clans
They formed a federation called the baale, however they were no match for the unified somali sultanates
They sought protection from the yejju
Sidaas ayay ku oromowben

They are no longer somalis so no worries

The eldest son of samaale was a laanjeex
What evidence do u have to support these accusations against my ancestors

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Well, no shit yes they're still Somali. I can cut off my dick and say I am female, ain't gonna change the fact that I still carry both Y and X chromosomes.

 

[Abdullnur]

Place your votes .

Are ex muslims still considered Somalis?

No , why

Yes

Another reason why politics and religion should mix.

 

[Raage]

Our ancestors are cursing Somalia for dropping our Somalinimo and becoming pseudo-Arabs.

Ex-Muslim Somalis are more Somali than you wanna be Arabs shaming us on the world stage.

 

[Tukraq]

Our ancestors are cursing Somalia for dropping our Somalinimo and becoming pseudo-Arabs.

Ex-Muslim Somalis are more Somali than you wanna be Arabs shaming us on the world stage.

what ancestors? mine were muslim

 

[Raage]

what ancestors? mine were muslim

When they move to the spiritual realm and find out Islam is fake and Waaq is real, they start cursing the Muslim Somalis. That's why Somalia is a failed state.

 

[Tukraq]

When they move to the spiritual realm and find out Islam is fake and Waaq is real, they start cursing the Muslim Somalis. That's why Somalia is a failed state.

waaq is a failed extinct religion thank god

 

[Raage]

waaq is a failed extinct religion thank god

Then explain why my depression and anxiety is gone and my life has been blessed ever since I left Islam and started worshipping Waaq? If every Somali starts doing the same and goes back to their ancestral and spiritual roots, Somalia will look like Wakanda in no time.

 

[Tukraq]

Then explain why my depression and anxiety is gone and my life has been blessed ever since I left Islam and started worshipping Waaq? If every Somali starts doing the same and goes back to their ancestral and spiritual roots, Somalia will look like Wakanda in no time.

depression is a mindset, anxiety is for pussies, man up, has nothing to do with religion, and waaq docent even exist as a religion you langaab as islam becomes the most numerous in our lifetimes, no somalis would do the same and who the hell would want to be in wakanda ew

 

[embarassing]

I understand , and prior to their abandoning of faith they become outsiders within their own communities and it's understandable because this isn't tolerable within Somalis.
But due note that regardless of their religious affiliations they're still seen as Somalis by outsiders , hence they'll likely get the same treatment discrimination by white supremacists .

I personally know atheists and deists who are somali, each of them have variety of reasons why they left Islam.

Some were driven due to anti arabism becoming the ones bad mouthing Islam on social media.

And there are respectful people who mind their bussinessess and keep it to themselves.


I ask you this
Is the somali identity intertwined with Islam?
We knew that Ilma Samaale were united under the banner of Islam , the birth of new generation but what were they before Islam?

To me personally it depends on how they think, act, what they value. Like the former user @Bahal who was big on Somalinimo and wanting Somali success vs @AussieHustler who I’m not convinced is even really Somali at all and seems to only highlight the negatives about Somalis.

 

[J-Rasta]

waaq is a failed extinct religion thank god

Waaq may be extinct in Somalia and no longer practiced but its rituals are still carried within some somali branches dabshid iyo wan qal
Waaq is still practiced within the Oromo and cushitic minorities in Ethiopia.

like I said nobody further to me than exmuslims even regular gaals are closer, they should be shunned by our community and yes they also don't get accepted by the west irl(nobody respects a self hater) so they can go be by their lonely don't look this way for support

Im not trying to be
Impetuous bro
But imagine this , what if you were in their shoes, how will the comment you've agreed to that ex muslims should be shunned reflect on you?

isn't it best for them to live their lives and give naseeha whenever you can instead of shunning

 

[embarassing]

To me, Somalinimo is comparable to nationalism. You don't have to be affiliated with a specific religion to be a nationalist or to admire and adore your country and culture. I always thought that the reasons as to why ex-Muslims were shunned in our communities were because they were different. I believe that in a way Somalis have a very communistic societal view. To explain that further, we act as a collective without respecting individuality. Everyone who stand out in one-way shape or form are shunned, spoken down to or looked down upon. Nobody wants to see a somali wear a kippah on their head or a cross around their neck because it's different and it isn't typical Somali. I think the fundamental reason why ex-Muslim are not accepted by mainstream media is that they are different. I bet, the same consequence would be granted if they were different in another way.

Me personally, I respect individuality and believe that everyone has the right to live their life the way they choose to. I would never deny a Somali brother or sister their Somali identity because they choose to leave the religion. Somali is something you are and religion is something you believe in and that is that.

Not really. Michael Mariano a Somali Christian, I think he was an orphan adopted and raised by a church. Yet he was well respected and politician representing us all. I’ve never heard anything bad about him, only good, despite being a Somali Christian. He was a wadani.

I think what people are most disgusted with are traitors who bash Somalis constantly, weird uncle toms who project self hate and try their best to degrade Somali culture.

I’ve met a couple atheists, they were nothing like some of the weirdos online, which is why I question their motives and whether they’re Somali at all to begin with.

 

[Raage]

depression is a mindset, anxiety is for pussies, man up, has nothing to do with religion, and waaq docent even exist as a religion you langaab as islam becomes the most numerous in our lifetimes, no somalis would do the same and who the hell would want to be in wakanda ew

My God has just as much proof as yours. Is deji zxp

 

[J-Rasta]

To me personally it depends on how they think, act, what they value. Like the former user @Bahal who was big on Somalinimo and wanting Somali success vs @AussieHustler who I’m not convinced is even really Somali at all and seems to only highlight the negatives about Somalis.

I know few somali exmuslims who are still cursing Ethiopia and take pride of 77 war
They are even more patriotic than somalis living somalia

Damn I thought bahal and aussie are wadaado and one of them lead the prayers on SSPOT