America SLAPS down spoiler Deni, tell him to be constructive in talks with Somalia and rejoin NCC

[Abaq]

I support increased funding for the South as it is severely behind Puntland and Somaliland and one of the biggest reason for this after security is the vast difference in funding.

However, the issue I have is with increasing the powers of the FGS over the states. Other than the fact that I don’t trust the Hutus and I believe they still have genocidal tendencies, giving a president in Xamar that much power is very dangerous. Imagine if Farmajo had that much power? Do we really want another Siyaad Barre? And don’t bring the qabiil talk because we all know Barre and Farmaajo had Hutus working for him. A strong Xamar is not in Daarood or Hutu interests unless we are able to overcome qabyaalad (which we are not).

 

[Abaq]

Also future FGS spending once granted debt relief. The idea is that aid, loans, investment is shared equally so the other FMS’s can catch up. Why else would there be a split between LG+Madoobe and Deni. It’s not like they woke up one day and said let’s annoy Deni lol

Yes this is a more South vs Puntland issue rather than qabiil. The Southern states want more funding from the national pie. But other than lacag, I doubt the other agreements will ever end up being realised. The States have gotten a taste of independent power, and with more lacag going their way, not even the Hutu states will ever give up power to Xamar. #ISupportStateRights

 

[bidenkulaha]

Yes this is a more South vs Puntland issue rather than qabiil. The Southern states want more funding from the national pie. But other than lacag, I doubt the other agreements will ever end up being realised. The States have gotten a taste of independent power, and with more lacag going their way, not even the Hutu states will ever give up power to Xamar. #ISupportStateRights

Yh it’s the money that’s the important part of this. Where the disagreement between the FMS and Deni right now is.

You can see how the one thing they struggled to agree on was elections. I’m sure they want the power to conduct their own elections, losing that to the FGS would make the states easily controlled from the centre

 

[Abaq]

Yh it’s the money that’s the important part of this. Where the disagreement between the FMS and Deni right now is.

You can see how the one thing they struggled to agree on was elections. I’m sure they want the power to conduct their own elections, losing that to the FGS would make the states easily controlled from the centre

The states saying no to Xamar is a good thing. It’s our protection from another dictator. The aim is to make Xamar weak so even if you guys make another 10 states for yourselves and double your MPs, it won’t affect us in Jubbaland and vice versa. It’s the only way we can live in peace

 

[Abaq]

In other news, xanta on the streets of Nairobi is that HAG is actively engaging in Siil diplomacy to convince deni

 

[bidenkulaha]

 

[Abdalla]

Yes this is a more South vs Puntland issue rather than qabiil. The Southern states want more funding from the national pie. But other than lacag, I doubt the other agreements will ever end up being realised. The States have gotten a taste of independent power, and with more lacag going their way, not even the Hutu states will ever give up power to Xamar. #ISupportStateRights

Bro, let me deal with them. I’ve been dealing with them since 1884, and you’ve been dealing with them since 2010. I know them as I know my children. This has nothing to do with the States rights but rather getting a tighter grip on the States. If there’s anything we know, it’s how to deal with the FGS.

 

[Superiorabdi]

In other news, xanta on the streets of Nairobi is that HAG is actively engaging in Siil diplomacy to convince deni

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i ain’t gonna lie the chubby Xalimos are growing on me… I might have to go back home and snatch me one of them

 

[Mr. Wabrii]

In other news, xanta on the streets of Nairobi is that HAG is actively engaging in Siil diplomacy to convince deni

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Where is his Bodyguards? This pervert cant contain himslef, look at him he looks like hes about to spill state secrets just to smell her unsi.

 

[0117]

Can't believe people said PL is self sufficient.The international community is getting tired and impatient with the lack of progress since the formation of FGS more than a decade ago.

Look forward to seeing the developments FGS will take


An extract below from Puntland budget in 2022.

 

[whitehartlane]

Cali xaraare explains here exactly the politics that are at play!

Puntland is fighting corruption in Mogadishu! If you are an id individual that uses facts of historical significance and current situations to analyse a particular topic you would be able to understand the Puntland case!
It’s not a matter of your qabiil v my qabiil.. it’s simply a a fight against corruption-

puntland doesn’t care whether it’s darood or hawiye in office it will seek its share in somali aid.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Can't believe people said PL is self sufficient.The international community is getting tired and impatient with the lack of progress since the formation of FGS more than a decade ago.

Look forward to seeing the developments FGS will take


An extract below from Puntland budget in 2022.

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Very informative. The lies many here tell are self comforting. Deni will do as he’s told by donors looking at these figures

 

[Gadhwayne]

@Rationale @Gadhwayne @Prince of HS the PL experts, when are we getting those celebratory drinks.

Your account or the website might have something wrong with it there was no notification when you tagged

when are we getting those celebratory drinks.

Repeat after me PL is just another FMS like Galmudug and Hirshabelle

I mostly agree with what youre saying that XSM/XSM must do when it comes to PL but you have the wrong reason. PL is not like tje other FMS of Somalia Italiana. They are defacto i dependent aka silent separationists so the FGS loses nothing by ignoring PL but trying to please them could make the FGS even weaker than it already is thsnka to Shariif agreeing to PL demands in Garoowe 1 and Garoowe 2 agreements.

Ignore @Maxamed bin Harti talking about PL consemt being needed. This is not necessary. Neither is JSL consent and JSL never consents to anything that the Somalia Italiana federal government does in the name of Soomaliland i.e. Qoslaaye must ignore the ictiraafist isolationists and turn the PL silent separationists into isolationonists so that they dont weaken the FGS like they did under Shiikh Dalxiis in Garoowe 1/2

 

[warside]

I think the Hutu argument is that they now want to increase the enrolment, services etc in their lands so hence why they want more funding which also isn’t an unreasonable position to hold. This is also the reason that Laftagareen and Madobe are supporting this.

In other news, all of you (Hutus and Darods) should know that you can fund a country without aid, and I’m not talking about the gaajo Eritrea system. It’s a shame you all have a gaajo mentality

You can argue that for some projects but not for all, state building and capacity building projects I can understand that but it's not reasonable to give the same amount of budget support to states with vastly different numbers of government workers. also if they wanted more funding why HSM doesn't want to go after SL, he went after PL because PL refused his scheme that I'll explain it below but LG+Madoobe accepted.

Also future FGS spending once granted debt relief. The idea is that aid, loans, investment is shared equally so the other FMS’s can catch up. Why else would there be a split between LG+Madoobe and Deni. It’s not like they woke up one day and said let’s annoy Deni lol

This is also the main reason why HSM wanted airports and ports and taxes to be in FGS hands so he can negotiate and take billions of loans, so he said to the other states: I'll give you $10 million every month from the loans I'll get if you sign the papers, Madoobe said sure will hand over the port and airport if you can give me that kind of money, but they couldn't convince PL to do the same. Deni told them that PL will not hand over anything unless we complete the constitution which states the roles and responsibilities of FGS, FMS.

 

[whitehartlane]

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[whitehartlane]

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I mostly agree with what youre saying that XSM/XSM must do when it comes to PL but you have the wrong reason. PL is not like tje other FMS of Somalia Italiana. They are defacto i dependent aka silent separationists so the FGS loses nothing by ignoring PL but trying to please them could make the FGS even weaker than it already is thsnka to Shariif agreeing to PL demands in Garoowe 1 and Garoowe 2 agreements.

Ignore @Maxamed bin Harti talking about PL consemt being needed. This is not necessary. Neither is JSL consent and JSL never consents to anything that the Somalia Italiana federal government does in the name of Soomaliland i.e. Qoslaaye must ignore the ictiraafist isolationists and turn the PL silent separationists into isolationonists so that they dont weaken the FGS like they did under Shiikh Dalxiis in Garoowe 1/2

What has Italy to do with this?

if you wish to call yourself British children-subjects-slaves-prostitutes..

that’s your choice, please don’t insult us by associating us with your masters! The only thing that we have left from the short Italian coastal limited rule is lasagna and pasta and we are keeping those!

Other than tht neither hawiye nor darood nor raxanweyn consider themselves as slaves like some of you in hargeysa do…

 

[Gadhwayne]

What has Italy to do with this?

if you wish to call yourself British children-subjects-slaves-prostitutes..

that’s your choice, please don’t insult us by associating us with your masters! The only thing that we have left from the short Italian coastal limited rule is lasagna and pasta and we are keeping those!

Other than tht neither hawiye nor darood nor raxanweyn consider themselves as slaves like some of you in hargeysa do…

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The thread is about XSM/Xamze goading the defacto separatists in PL into ecoming isolationists without influence in the Somalia Italiana federal government. This is a great move for beesha dhexe HS/GM/Benaadir and Kismaayo. If worse comes to worst XSM will have the blessings of elders from eastern Sool/Badhan to move their seats in Somalia Italiana parliament from Garoowe/Boosaaao to Muqdisho and Qoslaaye can buy their votes just like the rest of the JSL seats in Muqdisho. No confederalist candidate from PL will ever get to a second round of presidential elections selections umless the became pragmatic federalists/centralists Even Formaggio understood this

 

[Rationale]

Let me paint you a picture
It all started when HSM instituted a new policy where they tried to make PL the same status as other states especially when it concerns grants, in your view that may seem fair, but it's not. PL has ~50k salaried workers whereas other states most of their troops get their salaries from Mogadishu. I'm not against each state getting its fair share, and seems to me it's fair for the state with the most civil servants to get more budget support.
For example one of the projects that started the dispute is World Bank funded project on education, it's not fair to say that PL will get the same money as other states when PL students are close or more than students in other states combined.
If I remember correctly this is the number of students who sat down for 8 and 12 year exams in the country last year:
PL: ~20k
SL: ~35k
Banadir + all other states: ~70k, probably 50k from Banadir.
So even if we're talking about fairness Banadir (FGS) will get the most then SL then Puntland and then other states, if you have another idea of what's fair, please do share.
That's PL's argument: we're not like those nascent states who barely control anything. please tell us why do you think that argument is clearly wrong, it seems common sense to me.

If you cant operate on the same federal budget as other memeberstates you clearly need to cut your expenses, and please do try to see this through the lenses of the other states. FGS is in no position to give one memberstate better treatment specially when that state provides nothing to FGS, nor is it fair to be demanding that PL which is nigh selfsufficient(thanks to the special treatment) is given lion share of the international aid. These other states are broke and need more federal funding to get on their feet than PL, a state I remind you that has been eating lion share of the federal funding for a decade.

PL leaders can't see beyond their belly. That's why FGS can't lose.

 

[Rationale]

@repo your input is needed nooh. Don't delete the post it was juicy.

 

[Mr. Wabrii]

If you cant operate on the same federal budget as other memeberstates you clearly need to cut your expenses, and please do try to see this through the lenses of the other states. FGS is in no position to give one memberstate better treatment specially when that state provides nothing to FGS, nor is it fair to be demanding that PL which is nigh selfsufficient(thanks to the special treatment) is given lion share of the international aid. These other states are broke and need more federal funding to get on their feet than PL, a state I remind you that has been eating lion share of the federal funding for a decade.

PL leaders can't see beyond their belly. That's why FGS can't lose.

These guys are so Selfish, They want the lions share of the Aid by calming " We are the first FGS, ", so what the Aid should be disturbed to States most effect and not because one state is Older than another.

Report: 43,000 estimated dead in Somalia drought last year

NAIROBI, KENYA - A new report says an estimated 43,000 people died amid Somalia's longest drought on record last year and half of them likely were children under 5 years old.

www.hiiraan.com

A new report says an estimated 43,000 people died amid Somalia's longest Drought on record last year and half of them likely were children under 5 years old.

It is the first official death toll announced in the drought withering large parts of the Horn of Africa.

At least 18,000 people, and as many as 34,000, are forecast to die in the first six months of this year.


We have people on the brink of Starvation and PL wants to argue about how it deserves a Lions Share of the Aid,