Evidence tell me when was the last attack in Mandera or wajir?Do you have evidence for this? A single evidence?
No.... Then stop spewing nonsense
And why MX are anti Kenya.When you connect the dots then its clear as a crystal.
Alshabaab the biggest threat in Southern Somalia yet has had a smooth riding under Failmajo regime.
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And why MX are anti Kenya.When you connect the dots then its clear as a crystal.
The worst inference I ever seen. These two don't even connect. What are you smoking.
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MX are anti Kenya for a reason. Kenya for propping up a elicit regime down in Kismayo, being a continuous pain in our asses down in Xamar, innocent killings in Gedo, unwarranted drone attacks on civilians posts. So yes, we are anti-Kenya.
You was celebrating Jamhuri day yesterday, so how can I request evidence from a Kenyan mouthpiece
Guys, I have been paying attention to A.S for few years now and I believe I figured out how they operate and who funds them.
A.S just like Al Qaaeda don't operate as one ,they have cells in each region or state and each cell has a commander of their own, they designed the group this way so that intelligence and security groups will have hard time to trace the top dowgs.
If one cell gets exposed or defeated the other cells will be funtioning solely, for example the Mogadishu cell and their foot soldiers and commanders don't know nothing about the A.S in Gedo or Galmudug.
It is proven system and works flowsly, gang organizations also use this system as well, this is where it gets messy, each cell and commander gets funds from different countries and goes after their political rivals, the Banadir cell for example is funded by Mogadishu bussinessemen and they target other rival bussinessess and hotels.
On the other hand Gedo cells for example are funded by Ethiopia and orders them to attack Kenya and JL, the Gaalkacayo PL cell and the few A.S hiding in the Bari mountains are funded by Qatar and Somaliland.
Each cell has different motive and a target, since A.S are alwys busy and blowing shit up Somali politicians and tribal militias also attack their opponents and claim A.S did it, basically Xarunta Qeybta Sirdoonka ee maraykanka engineered and invented this whole shell with in a shell type of network design back in 1970s.
A.S just like Al Qaaeda don't operate as one ,they have cells in each region or state and each cell has a commander of their own, they designed the group this way so that intelligence and security groups will have hard time to trace the top dowgs.
If one cell gets exposed or defeated the other cells will be funtioning solely, for example the Mogadishu cell and their foot soldiers and commanders don't know nothing about the A.S in Gedo or Galmudug.
It is proven system and works flowsly, gang organizations also use this system as well, this is where it gets messy, each cell and commander gets funds from different countries and goes after their political rivals, the Banadir cell for example is funded by Mogadishu bussinessemen and they target other rival bussinessess and hotels.
On the other hand Gedo cells for example are funded by Ethiopia and orders them to attack Kenya and JL, the Gaalkacayo PL cell and the few A.S hiding in the Bari mountains are funded by Qatar and Somaliland.
Each cell has different motive and a target, since A.S are alwys busy and blowing shit up Somali politicians and tribal militias also attack their opponents and claim A.S did it, basically Xarunta Qeybta Sirdoonka ee maraykanka engineered and invented this whole shell with in a shell type of network design back in 1970s.
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Kismaayo doesnt belong to Mx and never will so its not a brainer.Secondly Kismaayo was under AS when KDF with Madhoobe cpatured it,you were shacab in kismaayo and its not that you showed any resistance to AS who made you busy eating hyena meat and following orders of AS in Kismaayo.The worst inference I ever seen. These two don't even connect. What are you smoking.
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MX are anti Kenya for a reason. Kenya for propping up a elicit regime down in Kismayo, being a continuous pain in our asses down in Xamar, innocent killings in Gedo, unwarranted drone attacks on civilians posts. So yes, we are anti-Kenya.
You was celebrating Jamhuri day yesterday, so how can I request evidence from a Kenyan mouthpiece
So I dont see where Mx fits in the equation.
Secondly Mx dont hate Kenya because most of MX wealth is in Kenya MSB used to say Kenya is enemy for 21 years only to try fool us but when the KDF helicopter picked him up in mandera we came to know that all the insecurity created by Kacanka in NFD was a way to ensure clans in NFD were .Mx hate somali clans that live in Kenya and JL and would do anything to pit them against KDF.This cuqdad though expired during the fall kacanka NFD started progressing and security improved after Kacanka today NFD is 100 times better than Gaajo Gheeto that is why mx go to NFD to look for opportunities and when they see how blessed those people live they want to turn NFD in to Hell hole like the 80s Kacanka.
When the security in NFD deteriorated it was found out that infact the attacks being carried out in the region was done by mX guised as AS and their footprrints always ended in Gedo.Gone are 80s where mx would hide under the guise of shifta and would kill security personel only for KDF to attack Ogaden villages while Mx were laughing and celebrating in Boli qaraan.
So using the same technique of the 80s now and pretending to be AS has backfired in your face.When a terror incident happens in NFD the KDF woyld hunt the assailabts in Gedo where they find safe heaven and they take them out.
On the other end whehter kenya got independnce or not or whether Incelebrated is nothing of your concern.Mx never fought for the independence of Somalia infact Mx were colonial askaris working for either the Beitish or the Italians .
Your founding father aabo Siyaad you rever and idolise was an Italian colonial askari who took orders from Musolini.
since beginning of time somalis have been divded amongst clans and theres never been a state called somalia before colonization. Were called somalis so that the white men could group us easily. We tried out a central unified state and we saw how it turned out. Every clan should have itd own domain but a union like the EU could work out where we can meet with each other as equals and work out problems but a unified somalia will never happen and those who keep pedeling these falsehoods are delusional.
Thatβs the thing brother, do u think the division would stop at a clan level? I donβt think so itβs going to keep going down on a sub clan level until it comes down to ur nuclear family. This is why that thought can not be entertained, there have been many societies and civilizations with the same problem as us but they eventually overcame their differences and so can we. The progress that has been made in Somalia the last decade will be the catalyst for change towards a successful future 
It wonβt work maybe the government like you said but the people will segregate each other even more a unified Somalia will work better now especially when Al Shabab is gone separating each other will do no good we already kill each other over a qabil even when we are 1 ethnic group itβs time we become unified
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Why do people on this site always fall back on this asinine argument? Historically, Somalis have never been unified under a single political entity; so what? Before 1871, Germany was a confederation of small states. After unifying they changed the political destiny of Europe forever. Today, they are the fifth largest economy in the world with the fourth highest HDI. Do you think they would have achieved even a fraction of their success if they remained divided?
As an aside, anyone making this argument really ought to familiarise themselves with the is-ought gap.
The idea that the unitary state is invalid, in perpetuity, because it failed in one particular context is ludicrous. The issue with Barre's government is not that it was centralised, but that it was a military dictatorship with no adequate balance of power. There was no bill of rights, independent judiciary, journalists, or any viable paths to change the political leadership of the nation. Not to mention, the country was at war with Ethiopia starting from at least mid-1960s and continuing well into the late-1980s. This heightened paranoia and possibly help justify increasingly draconian and regressive measures by the leadership.
Additionally, reducing a complex socio-political event to a single variable is wrong and far too simplistic. It is good to learn from your mistakes, but detrimental to learn the wrong lessons. The truth for post-war Somalia should have been "dictatorships are bad" not "unitary governments will always lead to failure". If anyone really believes this, count the number of unitary states in the top 20 economies.
As an aside, anyone making this argument really ought to familiarise themselves with the is-ought gap.
The idea that the unitary state is invalid, in perpetuity, because it failed in one particular context is ludicrous. The issue with Barre's government is not that it was centralised, but that it was a military dictatorship with no adequate balance of power. There was no bill of rights, independent judiciary, journalists, or any viable paths to change the political leadership of the nation. Not to mention, the country was at war with Ethiopia starting from at least mid-1960s and continuing well into the late-1980s. This heightened paranoia and possibly help justify increasingly draconian and regressive measures by the leadership.
Additionally, reducing a complex socio-political event to a single variable is wrong and far too simplistic. It is good to learn from your mistakes, but detrimental to learn the wrong lessons. The truth for post-war Somalia should have been "dictatorships are bad" not "unitary governments will always lead to failure". If anyone really believes this, count the number of unitary states in the top 20 economies.
Unitary government at this point in time is not what we need, it in fact would hurt us more than help us. We can not unite upon just anything islamically and logically.
I suppose that is feasible for what hopefully will be in the short term. But if all the Somali regions became peaceful and corruption was absolved would that remain the best solution ?
Somalia failed because Somalis in general have no clue what a state is. They are mindless about the social contract between the government and the governed. Somalis think they can do what they want without there being "consequences". Just look at Ilhan Omar and the way she runs her mouth thinking she is "American" but in truth nothing more than a n!gger from the desert. Somalis think civilization is something mystical and unattainable so they are content with clan "entities" being their government. By the time Somalia gets it shit together it won't matter anymore as space travel will make nation states obsolete.
The harsh truth.
I'll give you three reasons why they don't mess with Ethiopia:
1)Ethiopia was and still is a police state with a strong security apparatus. The TPLF regime was already involved in crushing oromo and somali separatism so they learned a lot about counter insurgency.
2) AS only controls south-central somalia, the border area between ethiopia and galgaduud,hiiran, bakool, gedo is an arid land with few cities, there is really nothing there. They can't really go to Jigjiga or those places cause it's too far from their territory.
On the other hand the coastal border between kenya and somalia has more important places like Lamu which is also a tourist destination.
3) Nairobi is full of somalis, much more than Addis Abeba. Somalis in Ethiopia are concentrated in their own region while somalis in kenya also live in Nairobi, Mombasa etc. Somalis in Ethiopia are mainly natives of the Ogaden region so they don't have a connection with the 30 years war in somalia. On the other hand many somalis in Kenya are actually immigrants from Somalia who therefore have connections with the civil war and the various factions including AS
1)Ethiopia was and still is a police state with a strong security apparatus. The TPLF regime was already involved in crushing oromo and somali separatism so they learned a lot about counter insurgency.
2) AS only controls south-central somalia, the border area between ethiopia and galgaduud,hiiran, bakool, gedo is an arid land with few cities, there is really nothing there. They can't really go to Jigjiga or those places cause it's too far from their territory.
On the other hand the coastal border between kenya and somalia has more important places like Lamu which is also a tourist destination.
3) Nairobi is full of somalis, much more than Addis Abeba. Somalis in Ethiopia are concentrated in their own region while somalis in kenya also live in Nairobi, Mombasa etc. Somalis in Ethiopia are mainly natives of the Ogaden region so they don't have a connection with the 30 years war in somalia. On the other hand many somalis in Kenya are actually immigrants from Somalia who therefore have connections with the civil war and the various factions including AS
Yes because mx have been trying to destroy the economy of NFD and trying to turn the Kenyan govt against reer NFD somalis.
Yoy know mx are weaklings and try to hide under populations.Ethiopia invaded Gheeto in 1995 and till today they still there.
They should as it is their border and security matters unlike in xamar runned by idiots
One of them was on the radio calling kenya and jl/pl the same enemy states but did not have same energy for ethiopia when he was asked to and got mad
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