After much prayer

[xisaabiye]

POW? The female slaves of the Prophet SAWS Sahabah, Tabicin....were not necessarily carrying swords in a battle field when they were captured. Spare me the semantics bro.

No semantics, simply slaves are all POWS as a general rule of thumb. Also the concubine has to be married which is the only legal form of intercourse in reference to jurisprudence.

 

[VixR]

Sex slavery is completely halaal, and the ones (Muslims) that are true to the facts have no problem with it.

Interesting commentary certain Muslim 'reformers' are having with these folks

 

[anonimo]

No semantics, simply slaves are all POWS as a general rule of thumb. Also the concubine has to be married which is the only legal form of intercourse in reference to jurisprudence.

Nigga go back to the drawing bored, concubines can be smashed without a Nikax.

 

[xisaabiye]

Let's say that a Muslim army is fighting against a Christian army and the Muslim army defeats them and conquers all of their land, how can the Muslim army acquire concubines if there were no women fighting in the Christian army?

I'm not qualified to answer your question tbh, especially since it's very specific. I usually discuss things that are relative to something I learned & can be applied directly to it. Specific situations require actual people of knowledge, not some random forumer like me lol

There's a general rule of thumb when it comes to intercourse with concubines in the quran “And not taking unto themselves secret love-companions.” . You have to marry. This is the only thing that validates your intercourse with her. It also gives her her just dues.

لَأَقْضِيَنَّ فِيهَا بِقَضَاءِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَئِنْ كَانَتْ أَحَلَّتْهَا لَهُ لَأَجْلِدَنَّهُ مِائَةً وَإِنْ لَمْ تَكُنْ أَحَلَّتْهَا لَهُ رَجَمْتُهُ

It's a story from Tirmidhi where a man had intercourse with a servant girl of his wife. The ruling of zina was taken out on him, If she was willing he'd be lashed 100 times, if it was unwilling he'd face death. It's a complicated topic, especially since it's virtually non existent today

 

[anonimo]

Sex slavery is completely halaal, and the ones (Muslims) that are true to the facts have no problem with it.

Interesting commentary certain Muslim 'reformers' are having with these folks

It is a sad state of affairs when a former Muslim that is versed in the Deen is my only backup in this thread.

 

[World]

Even the slaves that Somalis captured during their expansionist wars with the Oromo pagans were not Xalal. They mainly waged war for resources such as grazing land, not out of religious piety.

I was referring to how slaves were acquired during the era of the righteous Caliphs, and in a few righteous jihads thereafter.

From a theoretical perspective, Islam permits slavery as long as the jihad is righteous. That is an undeniable fact that a lot of Muslims, particularly those raised in the West, try to gloss over or openly condemn despite the fact that it is clearly permitted in the Quran. Waa wada CONFUSED.COM!

I would hypothetically not want to own another human being nor do I like the institution of slavery however tempting it is to possess a Harem of young Buttiful nubile concubines with firm bodies; preferably light skinned Tigrayan Xabashas.

Nonetheless, I would not go as far as saying it is 'un-Islamic' or that it is morally wrong because as a slave of Allah who I am to go against the Quran. You are on the road to Kufr the moment you reject one Ayat of the Quran; some Muslims are ignorant about this fact.

So are you saying that the Somalis who enslaved Oromo women were in fact committing zina and that the land they took was haram even though they were pagans?

Secondly, if the conditions as you say are met, are you saying that the Muslims can enslave the entire civilian population of a conquered region(for example, a population of 500,000) regardless of whether they were engaged in the war themselves or not?

 

[anonimo]

I'm not qualified to answer your question tbh, especially since it's very specific. I usually discuss things that are relative to something I learned & can be applied directly to it. Specific situations require actual people of knowledge, not some random forumer like me lol

There's a general rule of thumb when it comes to intercourse with concubines in the quran “And not taking unto themselves secret love-companions.” . You have to marry. This is the only thing that validates your intercourse with her. It also gives her her just dues.

لَأَقْضِيَنَّ فِيهَا بِقَضَاءِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَئِنْ كَانَتْ أَحَلَّتْهَا لَهُ لَأَجْلِدَنَّهُ مِائَةً وَإِنْ لَمْ تَكُنْ أَحَلَّتْهَا لَهُ رَجَمْتُهُ

It's a story from Tirmidhi where a man had intercourse with a servant girl of his wife. The ruling of zina was taken out on him, If she was willing he'd be lashed 100 times, if it was unwilling he'd face death. It's a complicated topic, especially since it's virtually non existent today

You are digging yourself in a hole again. His wife's slave is not his slave! You don't need to ask the Culuma to confirm what I have told you. Ask Sheikh Google.

 

[yasmin lan]

I don’t know why but I felt like sharing this with you

 

[anonimo]

So are you saying that the Somalis who enslaved Oromo women were in fact committing zina and that the land they took was haram even though they were pagans?

Secondly, if the conditions as you say are met, are you saying that the Muslims can enslave the entire civilian population of the conquered region regardless of whether they were engaged in the war?

If they had not met the conditions of jihad and were just raiding the Oromos for Booty (women included), then how could it have been Xalal?

As for your second question, I do not think the entire civilian population of a conquered region would have been considered potential slaves. However, do not take my word for it as it is above my intellect. Seek answers from qualified religious scholars.

 

[yasmin lan]

Why would our ancestors and families and parents choose Islam? Because they know that allah is our creator and Muhammad is his prophet (pbuh) I used to doubt Islam until one day Allah sent me something sort of a miracle and an indicator that he’s always listening to my prayers ever since then I’ve never doubted my creator no matter how tough things get

 

[xisaabiye]

Why would our ancestors and families and parents choose Islam? Because they know that allah is our creator and Muhammad is his prophet (pbuh) I used to doubt Islam until one day allah sent me something sort of a miracle and an indicator that he’s always listening to my prayers ever since then I’ve never doubted my creator no matter how tough things get

I have a feeling our ancestors were monotheistic, It's probably why they accepted Islam so easily. We were one of the first people to be muslim, even before the qiblah was changed & islam spread through the arabian peninsula. alhamdulilah

 

[xisaabiye]

You are digging yourself in a hole again. His wife's slave is not his slave! You don't need to ask the Culuma to confirm what I have told you. Ask Sheikh Google.

Im "digging a hole" but you're the one depending on sheekh google
As I stated in the verse which ulama made tafsir of, that you must marry before the intercourse is valid.
Also to your earlier point

لنَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَعْتَقَ صَفِيَّةَ وَجَعَلَ عِتْقَهَا صَدَاقَهَا

The Prophet emancipated Safiya and made her freedom as her marriage dowry

 

[supz]

I have a feeling our ancestors were monotheistic, It's probably why they accepted Islam so easily. We were one of the first people to be muslim, even before the qiblah was changed & islam spread through the arabian peninsula. alhamdulilah

I don't believe in God, but religion can be an excellent tool. Its definitely the most ingenious institution to be ever devised .

 

[VixR]

It is a sad state of affairs when a former Muslim that is versed in the Deen is my only backup in this thread.

Funny, isn't it

I prefer the deniers to you, to be sure, bc you have something less of a basic sense of moral intuition than they do, but ultimately I'm on the side of truth, and the self-proclaimed truths of Islam as they stand are the reason why I left it.

 

[Hybrid]

I'm not qualified to answer your question tbh, especially since it's very specific. I usually discuss things that are relative to something I learned & can be applied directly to it. Specific situations require actual people of knowledge, not some random forumer like me lol

There's a general rule of thumb when it comes to intercourse with concubines in the quran “And not taking unto themselves secret love-companions.” . You have to marry. This is the only thing that validates your intercourse with her. It also gives her her just dues.

لَأَقْضِيَنَّ فِيهَا بِقَضَاءِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَئِنْ كَانَتْ أَحَلَّتْهَا لَهُ لَأَجْلِدَنَّهُ مِائَةً وَإِنْ لَمْ تَكُنْ أَحَلَّتْهَا لَهُ رَجَمْتُهُ

It's a story from Tirmidhi where a man had intercourse with a servant girl of his wife. The ruling of zina was taken out on him, If she was willing he'd be lashed 100 times, if it was unwilling he'd face death. It's a complicated topic, especially since it's virtually non existent today

why don't you just man up and admit these acts were wrong. you don't have to sugarcoat the things people were doing 1400 years ago. let's take a positive view of Islam and leave out the darker side.

 

[xisaabiye]

I don't believe in God, but religion can be an excellent tool. Its definitely the most ingenious institution to be ever devised .

It's brilliant tbh, No human mind could come up with such a thing or even close to it. That in and of itself is proof of it's divinity

 

[anonimo]

Im "digging a hole" but you're the one depending on sheekh google

Sheikh Google can provide Saheeh Hadiths and commentary from renowned scholars. Deen resources can be accessed online but it goes without saying that one must have a relatively solid Islamic foundation.

Next time you provide an Ayat or a Hadith, consider the context in which the Ayat was written and read the Hadith thoroughly before presenting it as evidence please.

 

[xisaabiye]

why don't you just man up and admit these acts were wrong. you don't have to sugarcoat the things people were doing 1400 years ago. let's take a positive view of Islam and leave out the darker side.

You're a funny one, I always enjoyed debating atheists/agnostics especially the ones who have multiple nigis on this website. Markay isku xaaraan ayay nigis kale layimaadaan
I don't sugar coat anything, I just hope I'm around long enough when the swords are unsheathed . Many of you aren't real atheists or even agnostics, since both would mean you have a firm objection to gnosticism or theism, which a lot of you evidently don't understand.Ya'll just want to be accepted, & the big bad mozlems don't do what master says is moral . Your major points of disbelief are based on slaves, lgbqt, etc, might as well be non practicing sjws

 

[xisaabiye]

Sheikh Google can provide Saheeh Hadiths and commentary from renowned scholars. Deen resources can be accessed online but it goes without saying that one must have a relatively solid Islamic foundation.

Next time you provide an Ayat or a Hadith, consider the context in which the Ayat was written and read the Hadith thoroughly before presenting it as evidence please.

I know the ayah, it's from an nisaa & I read the tafsir on it before I quoted it. Also the hadith is in context to what i quoted and I always read the sharh. More or less I agree with what your saying, but for many it's not safe to surf online because it'll confuse them if they don't have foundational knowledge

 

[anonimo]

Funny, isn't it

I prefer the deniers to you, to be sure, bc you have something less of a basic sense of moral intuition than they do, but ultimately I'm on the side of truth, and the self-proclaimed truths of Islam as they stand are the reason why I left it.

You see I am not that different than you, it is just that I have chosen to believe because I am a dead man walking without Islam.

In regard to why I defend the Islamic institution of slavery, I can't fool my brain. Tis the way I am wired, 'take it or leave it'.