Honest discussion- What do you think of Somaliweyn?
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RudeBoi
Feel my D in her abs call me Abdi
waraabe
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Why not, if he apologises for his treason against somaliland then he as a somalilander can become a president
waraabe
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Why does somaliland need to join Somalia? I see no benefits of joining Somalia
WHY SOMALILAND HAS NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED BY A SINGLE COUNTRY FOR A QUARTER CENTURY
The situation surrounding SL has arguably been one of the most contentious issues in Somali history since the Northern Somalia territory self declared it's independence amidst the Somali civil war which came as a surprise to many,A surprise because prior to SL separatism movement no other Somali territory harbored separatism tendencies quite contrary Somalis believed the horn of Africa was a single country so strong was this feeling Somalia invaded Ethiopia in 1977 to reclaim the Ogaden region which was wrongfully put under Ethiopian rule by the British colonizers this is a whole different topic altogether so i wont get much into it but moving on to the topic at hand these are some of the most crucial reasons SL will not be achieving recognition anytime soon.I will use the youngest nation in Africa South Sudan as a reference and how it was able to gain international recognition immediately after it's formation so bear with me;
1.PEOPLE
This is arguably one of the most important factors a separatism movement has to fulfill in it's quest for international recognition in the sense that it has to convince the international world they are completely different from the people they wish to separate from by race,religion,language etc SL does not full fill this condition because all ethnic Somalis generally make up one tribe that speaks the same language and furthermore share a religion on the other hand South Sudan managed to fulfill this condition perfectly because they were of a different race,religion and language from the Sudanese people which made their road to recognition a smooth one.
2.ACT OF UNION
This is another important factor a separatist movement can use in their quest for secession by simply proving they never signed an act of union from the region they want to separate from or were even forced or pressured to sign it but in the case of Somalia this is a very different scenario as both North and South Somalia willingly and unilaterally signed an act of union without any military pressure whatsoever amidst pomp and celebrations so once again SL falls short in this category NOTE some people might try to find faults in the act of union to work it on their favor but these can be rightfully termed as being opportunistic or fanatics but the main point is an act of union exist which the international world used to recognize Somalia as a single country after the union.Union:
1. (a) The State of Somaliland and the State of Somalia do hereby unite and shall forever remain united in a new, independent, democratic, unitary republic the name whereof shall the SOMALI REPUBLIC.
(b) The Capital of the Somali Republic shall be Mogadiscio.(Take note of the word ''FOREVER'')
3.DIFFERENCE IN POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES
This is one of the easiest routes a separatist movement is usually founded on this led to breakup of the USSR,a separatist movement simply needs to prove they have very contrasting political ideologies with the region they wish to separate from and wait to be recognized by other countries which share a common political ideology for instance SL might argue it's a communist state and wish to separate from Somalia a capitalist state this would see SL being recognized by other countries that are communist such as North Korea Lol this assumption is not true of course in reality the whole of Somalia regions believe in a capitalist ideology and mix of secular and sharia law as the basic political foundation so once again SL fails to differentiate itself from the rest of Somalia making the international world look at it as just another autonomous region in Somalia.
These are some of the most basic facts as to why SL has never been recognized by a single country since they self declared independence although this might hurt some people i can categorically tell you SL will never be recognized call me a ''hater'' or a ''pessimist'' but that is the simple unedited truth and is backed by SL consistently getting 00% recognition for a quarter century.
What Somali people need to realize is reconciliation is the best way forward Somalia is not Muqdishu or Bosaso alone it's a collection of great Somali cities such as Hargeysa,laascanod,Bosaso,Kismayo etc and most importantly our historic and ancient capital city Muqdishu for Somalia to come back to what it was it has to get back to it's roots
The situation surrounding SL has arguably been one of the most contentious issues in Somali history since the Northern Somalia territory self declared it's independence amidst the Somali civil war which came as a surprise to many,A surprise because prior to SL separatism movement no other Somali territory harbored separatism tendencies quite contrary Somalis believed the horn of Africa was a single country so strong was this feeling Somalia invaded Ethiopia in 1977 to reclaim the Ogaden region which was wrongfully put under Ethiopian rule by the British colonizers this is a whole different topic altogether so i wont get much into it but moving on to the topic at hand these are some of the most crucial reasons SL will not be achieving recognition anytime soon.I will use the youngest nation in Africa South Sudan as a reference and how it was able to gain international recognition immediately after it's formation so bear with me;
1.PEOPLE
This is arguably one of the most important factors a separatism movement has to fulfill in it's quest for international recognition in the sense that it has to convince the international world they are completely different from the people they wish to separate from by race,religion,language etc SL does not full fill this condition because all ethnic Somalis generally make up one tribe that speaks the same language and furthermore share a religion on the other hand South Sudan managed to fulfill this condition perfectly because they were of a different race,religion and language from the Sudanese people which made their road to recognition a smooth one.
2.ACT OF UNION
This is another important factor a separatist movement can use in their quest for secession by simply proving they never signed an act of union from the region they want to separate from or were even forced or pressured to sign it but in the case of Somalia this is a very different scenario as both North and South Somalia willingly and unilaterally signed an act of union without any military pressure whatsoever amidst pomp and celebrations so once again SL falls short in this category NOTE some people might try to find faults in the act of union to work it on their favor but these can be rightfully termed as being opportunistic or fanatics but the main point is an act of union exist which the international world used to recognize Somalia as a single country after the union.Union:
1. (a) The State of Somaliland and the State of Somalia do hereby unite and shall forever remain united in a new, independent, democratic, unitary republic the name whereof shall the SOMALI REPUBLIC.
(b) The Capital of the Somali Republic shall be Mogadiscio.(Take note of the word ''FOREVER'')
3.DIFFERENCE IN POLITICAL IDEOLOGIES
This is one of the easiest routes a separatist movement is usually founded on this led to breakup of the USSR,a separatist movement simply needs to prove they have very contrasting political ideologies with the region they wish to separate from and wait to be recognized by other countries which share a common political ideology for instance SL might argue it's a communist state and wish to separate from Somalia a capitalist state this would see SL being recognized by other countries that are communist such as North Korea Lol this assumption is not true of course in reality the whole of Somalia regions believe in a capitalist ideology and mix of secular and sharia law as the basic political foundation so once again SL fails to differentiate itself from the rest of Somalia making the international world look at it as just another autonomous region in Somalia.
These are some of the most basic facts as to why SL has never been recognized by a single country since they self declared independence although this might hurt some people i can categorically tell you SL will never be recognized call me a ''hater'' or a ''pessimist'' but that is the simple unedited truth and is backed by SL consistently getting 00% recognition for a quarter century.
What Somali people need to realize is reconciliation is the best way forward Somalia is not Muqdishu or Bosaso alone it's a collection of great Somali cities such as Hargeysa,laascanod,Bosaso,Kismayo etc and most importantly our historic and ancient capital city Muqdishu for Somalia to come back to what it was it has to get back to it's roots
Weird dhulo that used "Faqash" ???? Come on you are not dhulo
waraabe
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Why faqash meant gov sponsored malitia. Are you saying it was qabiil
Somaliwayn...
RudeBoi
Feel my D in her abs call me Abdi
The only one living in lala land is you Canuck.When will you stop being a refugee and return to your land ruled by Hargeisa?
waraabe
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Your obsession with somaliland is unhealthy.
waraabe
Your superior
Lol
You have to accept you will be ruled by your Somali brothers from hargeisa otherwise you are a qabiilest
This is a nonsense article for a multitude of reasons. But just going by the bullet points
1- SL does not have to prove we are a "completely separate people". There are many countries on this planet that border eachother, both populated by people of the same ethnicity and culture. Even without this obvious fact considered, that argument still wouldn't hold up. If the people wish for separation, all their similarities account for nought, so who cares anyway. Likewise, if this was the truth, then the opposite would be true too. Eg, If the Ic thought in this way, the kurds would have had their own country by now. In fact all planet earth would be seperated along ethnic lines. The reality is such things do not actually play highly on people's minds.
2- it seems the writers is trying to argue another point, as opposed to the one they claim to be addressing. This issue has not been addressed by an independent legal authority. It is certainly not cut and dry in the way the writer is suggesting. Without an independent legal authority to address it, it's simply a case of some think yes, some think no.
3- The writer acknowledges the folly of this argument so I won't bother. Safe to simply say we are not in a cold war timeloop, such things (and the like) do not happen anymore. The world is not cut up by two opposing powerful ideologies, declaring an ideology for recognition makes no sense. This was a cheap and useless point by the writer.
The reality is Sl has not received recognition for some very simple reasons. We lack an effective, organised and well funded lobby where it matters. We have not proven our independence will be of sufficient financial benefit for others. And there has not, at least recently, been a staggering event of sufficient magnitude to 'justify' such a response from the ic. If the first two would be addressed, we would have it in the bag.
I don't expect you to read something and address the points seriously or sincerely, so don't worry. Get back to your conspiracy theories and other madness now. Shoo fly!
waraabe
Your superior
Amazing how a middle aged woman with kids acts like this
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