Y-DNA and mtDNA of Somali (Mostly) 23andMe Relatives

[Nabiil]

@Warsame The Strategist @Alexis @Apollo @Jablibax

I collected and tabulated the Y and mtDNA haplogroups of my 23andMe relatives most of them 95-100% Somali in terms of ancestry.

I was also matched with some mixed Somalis and non Somalis mostly Ethiopians.

I highlighted the Y-DNA haplogroups of non-Somalis/ mixed ( Coloured black in the chart). I done the same for mtDNA as well but couldn't be bothered for L lineages. Some of the L sub-subclades are from AA and Ethiopian mixed Somalis.

Y-DNA	Frequency
A1b1-M190 (Non Somali)	1​
E-L29	1​
E-L677	2​
E-M293	1​
E-M329 (Non Somali)	3​
E-M5021	1​
E-M78	1​
E-V32	89​
E-V6	1​
J-CTS5368	2​
J-M267 ( Non Somali)	1​
J-P58	1​
Q-Y2225 ( Non Somali)	1​
T-CTS2214 ( Non Somali)	1​
T-L208	32​
T-M70	4​
(blank)
Grand Total	142​

Y-DNA Summary of 142 males :
E-V32 - 89 (63%)
T-L208/M70 - 36 (26%)
Other E-M215 - 7 ( 5%)
J-CTS/P58 - 3 ( 2%)
Non Somali Haplogroups/Admixed ( 4%)

mtDNA	Frequency
H1 ( Non Somali)	1​
H13a1a1a ( Non Somali)	1​
H5b ( Non Somali)	1​
HV1	1​
HV1b1	5​
I	1​
J1c	5​
K1a	1​
K1a12a	3​
L0a	2​
L0a1	1​
L0a1a	3​
L0a1d	8​
L0a2	1​
L0a2c	1​
L0b	1​
L0f	3​
L0f2b	4​
L1b	1​
L1b1a	5​
L1b1a3	1​
L1c1a1a1a	1​
L1c2b1	1​
L1c3a	1​
L2a1	42​
L2a1c	2​
L2a1d	1​
L2a1j	9​
L2b	1​
L3a	5​
L3b1a2	2​
L3c_d_j	2​
L3d1	1​
L3d1a1	2​
L3d1c	1​
L3e2b1a	1​
L3e4	1​
L3e5	1​
L3f	3​
L3f1a	22​
L3f1b	3​
L3h	11​
L3h2	6​
L3i	3​
L3i1	1​
L3i2	13​
L3x	3​
L3x1	2​
L3x2a	1​
L4a1	1​
L4a2	1​
L4b2	1​
L4b2a2a	1​
L4b2b	3​
L5a1b	1​
M1a	1​
M1a1	16​
M1a1d	1​
M1a2b	1​
M1a4	6​
M1a5	3​
N	1​
N1	14​
N1a	4​
N1a_e_I	2​
N1a1	7​
N1b	1​
R0a	1​
R0a1a	3​
R0a2	13​
R0a2b	1​
T1a1( Non Somali)	1​
T2b ( Non Somali)	1​
U3a	5​
U5a2b ( Non Somali)	1​
W ( Non Somali	1​
(blank)
Grand Total	284​

mtDNA summary of 284 relatives:

L3 - 84 (30%)
L2 - 55 (19%)
N - 29 (10%)
M - 28 (10%)
L0 - 24 (8.5%)
R0a-18 (6%)
L1 - 10 (3.5%)
L4 - 7 (2.5%)
HV1- 6 (2%)
U3a- 5 ( 1.8%)
J1c- 5 (1.8%)
K1a- 4 (1.4%)
I - 1 (0.35%)
L5 -1 (0.35%)
Non Somali/Admixed - 7 ( 2.5%)

Time to find out whether you're laandheere or laangaab

 

[SOMALIKNIGHT]

I heard people can hide their haplogroup and ethnicity breakdown. If so, how did you get the information?

 

[Nabiil]

I heard people can hide their haplogroup and ethnicity breakdown. If so, how did you get the information?

This is from 284/393 relatives who are sharing information

 

[The alchemist]

I have much of the same on Y-DNA, it seems. I remember one guy with A1b1-M190 who was +99% Somali on my list.

 

[Nabiil]

I have much of the same on Y-DNA, it seems. I remember one guy with A1b1-M190 who was +99% Somali on my list.

It’s the guy who’s paternal grandfather was born in Kenya and is 99.5% Somali and 0.5% Sudanese right?

 

[The alchemist]

It’s the guy who’s paternal grandfather was born in Kenya and is 99.5% Somali and 0.5% Sudanese right?

Yeah

 

[Nabiil]

One more thing to note I found 3 full Somalis with haplogroup J1.
One is an isaaq from burco another a warsangeli from badhan 3rd person didn’t mention clan or grandparents birthplace

 

[Apollo]

@Nabiil There are half African Americans/Afro-Caribbeans/Afro-Arabs etc. on 23andme who are related to Somalis. Not all those L African lineages are Somali in origin. They are trickier to filter out than Asian stuff like B4a, C1a etc, but they are still not from a Somali woman. Also, some Southern Somalis with 0.5% to 5% Southeast African/Angolan/Congolese etc carry relatively recently acquired Bantu lineages on their direct maternal line, despite them being mostly Somali, their maternal lineage sometimes aren't.

Probably these:

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A bit skeptical about this one as well, could be an Ethiopian or Kenyan Somali whose maternal lineage is Oromo in origin:

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Lastly, there is also the issue of siblings/parent-child combos etc being overcounted. There are people who have siblings and their mother/maternal cousins on there.

 

[Boogie]

What is most common maternal lineage for majeerteen omar

 

[Nabiil]

@Nabiil There are half African Americans/Afro-Caribbeans/Afro-Arabs etc. on 23andme who are related to Somalis. Not all those L African lineages are Somali in origin. They are trickier to filter out than Asian stuff like B4a, C1a etc, but they are still not from a Somali woman. Also, some Southern Somalis with 0.5% to 5% Southeast African/Angolan/Congolese etc carry relatively recently acquired Bantu lineages on their direct maternal line, despite them being mostly Somali, their maternal lineage sometimes aren't.

Probably these:

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A bit skeptical about this one as well, could be an Ethiopian or Kenyan Somali whose maternal lineage is Oromo in origin:

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Lastly, there is also the issue of siblings/parent-child combos etc being overcounted. There are people who have siblings and their mother/maternal cousins on there.

Upon further investigation most of those lineages come from African American/ Ethiopian mixed Somalis. However L5a1b, L1c3a, L2b are 100% northern Somalis though

I was surprised by I and J1c (mtDNA) . The 5 J1c appear to be unrelated. I don’t think I’ve seen studies mentioning Somalis with these lineages although “I” was apparently found in 2 Somalis

Haplogroup I (mtDNA) - Wikipedia

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[Apollo]

Upon further investigation most of those lineages come from African American/ Ethiopian mixed Somalis. However L5a1b, L1c3a, L2b are 100% northern Somalis though

I stand corrected on L2b. There is one version namely L2b3c which is found in almost all Horners in low frequency. Probably an ancient presence and came via Nilo-Saharan admixture to the Horn. That's the tricky part with some of those Pan-African maternal lineages, you have to go very deep to be sure.

But for L1c3a, I am very skeptical. I think that person is Afro-Arab Yemeni admixed or something if he is a Northernern. L1c3a is commonly found in Gabon and Mozambique. L1c is generally not found in Horners at all. HOA groups with no history of Bantu slave trade like Amharas and Central Oromos don't have this lineage (there are over 500 Central Ethiopians who have been sampled over the years).

I was surprised by I and J1c (mtDNA) . The 5 J1c appear to be unrelated. I don’t think I’ve seen studies mentioning Somalis with these lineages although “I” was apparently found in 2 Somalis

Haplogroup I (mtDNA) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

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Mt I is found in the Rendille and El Molo at elevated levels (probably due to some weird regional founder effect). I think it is one of the West Asian lineages that the Cushites carried. It doesn't seem like a recent Arab one to me.

 

[Apollo]

These lineages were probably carried by the paleolithic inhabitants (longest presence) in Somalia before the Cushites arrived:

L0b
L0f
L5a1b (not sure about this one though)
L4 (some of them, not all)
L3a
L3i2
L3x
L3h2

All the other lineages either have a Nilo-Saharan or North African/Middle Eastern origin (not Paleo-Horner).

 

[Nabiil]

These lineages were probably carried by the paleolithic inhabitants (longest presence) in Somalia before the Cushites arrived:

L0b
L0f
L5a1b (not sure about this one though)
L4 (some of them, not all)
L3a
L3i2
L3x
L3h2

All the other lineages either have a Nilo-Saharan or North African/Middle Eastern origin (not Paleo-Horner).

I remember you saying in a post that L6 isn’t found in Somalis but there’s L6 Somalis on Yfull and I’ve seen it in studies albeit at low levels. Although none of my relatives have it

Secondly it’s fascinating how the 35-40% frequency of Eurasian mtDNA in my sample corresponds almost exactly to the level of Eurasian ancestry Somalis have. Studies also found similar rates of Eurasian mtDNA.

Finally do you reckon T-l208 or the Somali subclade is found in a quarter of Somalis like my sample suggests?

 

[Xanibacal bin Barqa]

Great thread bro

284 MtDNA
142 Y-DNA

it seems like half of your reletives are Xalimos

 

[Nabiil]

Great thread bro

284 MtDNA
142 Y-DNA

it seems like half of your reletives are Xalimos

I actually have 390 relatives but only 284 are sharing ancestry and haplogroup info

 

[Arabsiyawi]

Mines look like this when it comes to Y-DNA. I tried to sort out the non somalis as much as I could but I'm pretty sure I couldn't remove or guess them The overwhelming majority of these are obviously somalis tho.

I'll try to do the same with mtDNA

 

[Nabiil]

Mines look like this when it comes to Y-DNA. I tried to sort out the non somalis as much as I could but I'm pretty sure I couldn't remove or guess them The overwhelming majority of these are obviously somalis tho.


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I'll try to do the same with mtDNA

Very similar to mine
65% vs 63 e-v32
21% vs 26 T

 

[The alchemist]

Very similar to mine
65% vs 63 e-v32
21% vs 26 T

Mine
E-V32 - 61%
T - 22%

 

[Username]

Here is my relative haplogroup data:

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Some are mixed Somali and some not even Somali at all but most of them are fully Somali.

Paternal definitely lacks diversity.

 

[bereket]

Hello there,
Through google search I came across this topic and I thought I might interest you with my findings as an Eritrean with roots in the central province (maternally and paternally).

Sample size = 54 (shared data on 23andMe)

Sample size = 147
Most common haplogroups pairs: A1b1-M118 with M1a1; E-M35 with L2/L3; J with U
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A1b1-M118 (nilotic clade) ~10kyears (tmrca)
M1a1 (north east africa) ~13kyears
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E-M35 (north africa/northern horn of africa) ~22kyears
L2 and L3 clades (african clades) ~80kyears
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J clade (anatolia/caucasus) ~30k years
U clade (west asia/caucasus) ~40k years

Sample size = 68
Most common L2 clade = L2a1 by 77,3% towards other L2 clades
Most common L3 clades = L3f by 43,8% and L3i by 21,9% towards other L3 clades.

Personal haplogroup E-V32 and L2a1

My terminal haplogroup falls within saudis on ftdna unlike most somalis
I have a closer common haplogroup with somalis with whom I share a common ancestor dating back to 3000 BCE, but i'm closer with saudis with whom I share a common ancestor dating back ~500 BCE. As if my paternal ancestors had only recently migrated in or out (my bet is on the migration in from arabia after clashes with jewish tribes 1500 years ago since I'm of a christian orthodox descent).