Winning Traits of White People

[TheAnswer]

Lol. No, they didn’t fall out the air. They built on what was there, just like every other civilization did in turns.

For example, it stands to question why the Chinese didn’t take good advantage of their own gunpowder to the level the Whites did. I think the answer to that is adventure. They saw beyond their own shores.

Ok, so everything can be simplified down to some vague notion of "adventure," stripped of any cultural component. Is this your final argument?

 

[TheAnswer]

That is categorically bullshit. You mentioned that Cadaans put emphasis on academics, you think they can beat the Chinese in Maths and inventory?

The most powerful entity during the time of the Prophet (AS) was the Persians, where are they today? Empires rise and fall.

That being said, there is also a thing called geography. The White man originally settled in a fruitless terrain. The Irish were dropping like flies because of diseases before they moved to North America and started a new life, by your logic the Irish would be at the forefront of civilisation but there are still homes without electricity there believe it or not.

They needed to become a conquering race for survival reasons. You can say they are lucky yes thanks to White privilege, but to say they are inherently better than others is intellectually dishonest.

The Chinese/East Asians generally also have many admirable traits. For example, they do also put a lot of emphasis on scholarship and academic learning (although it tends to be of the route memorization variety), and their societies are stable and prioritize intelligence in selecting leaders (in contrast to Somalis, where leadership is given to whoever has the biggest mouth and can massage enough fragile egos). However, overall, the West is in a much stronger position than the East Asians. East Asia is not cosmopolitan, tolerant (e.g. China imprisoning millions of Muslims), and not to mention they are not very humanitarian or democratic. So overall, for reasons i have listed and many more, I don't think their societies are worthy of emulation as the West.

Also, Persia and the other historical examples you're listing are all landmark civilizations over the course of human history. However, we need to copy the current best practices in social and civilizational conduct, not historical ones.

 

[TheAnswer]

I think you are forgetting that these are principles which can be found in Islam but have conveniently been forgotten or just ignored. Doesn’t Islam teach us to be kind, spend our time productively and treat the environment with respect .

I agree with the poster that pointed out the awful behaviour of Somalis in public . The amount of times that I have seen a Somali spitting on the floor, throwing trash on the floor or screaming on public transport. I know it’s not only Somalis that do this but it’s uncivilised. In Islam we have these basic codes of conduct when being in public and how to treat others and the environment but it’s like we Somalis completely forgotten about them.

Islam, as you mention, does have some admirable qualities. However, it is still has not undergone a reform and has components that are not at all helpful to modern technological society. Islam, as understood by Somalis today, is a very reactionary religion. We need a 21st century Islam that sheds many of its olden practices, e.g. unequal treatment of women (such as through inheritance), intolerance of other religions, etc.

 

[AdoonkaAlle]

Muslim sheegatada ah oo daabada cadaanka leefa


War hadaa gaalka cadaanka ilah ka dhigatay orod adoon uu noqo ee naga lataag adoonsigada. Waxa tahay qurun miraan

 

[Tukraq]

When I say "white people" I mean coastal northern white Americans. Much of this applies to Northern Europeans too, as they are cultural kin of northern white Americans. This does not apply to southern white Americans, who have a backwards culture, or whites from backward and grim places such as Russia and Belarus.

White coastal Americans in the northern U.S are among some of the most prosperous, well-educated, and progressive people on the planet. Since I've lived among them nearly my entire life, I've been able to distill their winning traits which give them such a major advantage over all the other people of the world. Since Somalia is a very backwards society that needs a major cultural revolution to save itself from complete extinction, I propose we adopt all of these traits for our society. There is no shame in rejecting much of one's backward ingenious culture while adopting the winning traits of better functioning societies. There is no better example of this than the meiji restoration in Japan, when the Japanese westernized much of their culture, which at the time was isolationist and backward.

Winning Traits of Northern Whites:


1. Work Productivity and Professionalism

Northern Whites attach much of their self-worth to their productivity and professionalism at work. They work long and hard hours on the job for their employer, putting in much beyond the required hours and basic minimums. They aim for excellence and improvement, and are always top notch in their professionalism. I see this every day at my workplace. This also applies if they are self-employed or entrepreneurial. Notably, the obsession of northern whites on doing work and remaining productive is not simply relegated to the workplace. Even in their off hours they do productive things—rigorous exercise, reading and intellectual output, gardening and outdoor activities, civic engagement and volunteerism. They embody the Protestant Work Ethic which tells us "idle hands are the devil's playground."

In contrast, Somalis might be the least productive people on the planet. In my trip to Somalia, I was shocked by the laziness and lack of professionalism among the people who were employed there. Arriving to work late, not completing tasks or completing them poorly, leaving work early, dealing with customers unprofessionally, not following rules and procedures, corruption---all of these things were completely pervasive at every level. A clear example of this lack of professionalism can be found in all of Somalia's airports. It is a constant occurrence that travel agents sell the seats of customers who already paid to other people from their clan, that planes habitually depart outside of their time schedules, and that basic security protcols are commonly ignored, such as searching all persons and pieces of luggage boarding a plane (In my trip through Mogadishu airport cira 2013, I saw luggage being loaded onto the plane without going through any security. No surprise a few years later that Al Shabaab nearly succeed in blowing up an airplane just after take-off). If the employed people in that country are this unproductive and unprofessional, imagine how much worse the unemployed millions are.


2. Focus on Education and Intellectualism

Northern Whites place a big premium on education. Social status is now heavily associated with educational pedigree. Parents compete amongst themselves on the educational achievements of their children. They are all literate and a large percentage of them read for pleasure. In their daily conversations, they often refer to The New York Times, or the Paris Review, or The New Yorker and other publications associated with world knowledge and cosmopolitanism. Being dumb, uneducated or uninformed about the world is a big social liability among them. Even intellectually unimpressive northern whites aim toward intellectualism.

In contrast, the majority of Somalis are illiterate and unintellectual. Very few Somalis read for pleasure. The majority of Somalis homes are barren of any books except the Koran. Somali parents compete over things that are irrelevant toward modern technological life, such as which of their kids has memorized the most chapters of the Koran.

3. Secular or Mainline Protestant

Most northern whites are either secular or members of a mainline protestant church. Mainline protestant is an ideal religion---it does not seek to take over the state or force its moralities on society, it has minimal religious rituals and these rituals don't distort the economy, and they now almost universally preach a progressive theology advocating tolerance, respect, compassion, peace and other humanitarian aspects of spirituality.

In contrast, the majority of Somalis have adopted a reactionary version of Islam. Reactionary Islam will scare away any foreign direct investment as it is deeply intolerant, volatile, and anti-secular. Reactionary Islam interferes with and distorts nearly every part of the society, from the economy to politics.


4. Civi-Minded

There is no greater honor for a northern white person that to be appointed to a board of directors or trustee position for a community organization or institution, like a library system. They spend a lot of time volunteering for, donating to, and politically advocating for these institution, which are the needed bedrock of any functional society.

In contrast, Somalis are not civic minded but slowly through western exposure, are becoming more so. There are now public libraries opening in Somalia and community centers---this is a good first step, but the culture needs to be entrenched.

5. Tolerant and cosmopolitan

Northern whites are tolerant of other races, ethnic groups, religions, and unusual lifestyle practices. They have adopted a 'live and let live' type mentality that does not interfere with other people unless those people are harming the collective somehow. All people are welcome to live among them with minimal discrimination or legal harassment.

In contrast, Somalis are extremely xenophobic, culturally chauvinistic, and intolerant. A plurality of Somalis oppose the construction of churches, the consumption of alcohol, and the presence of sizable foreign communities in Somalia. But what they fail to realize is, without tolerance and a cosmopolitan attitude, nobody will invest in their poor desert state.




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What Somalia needs is a Lee Kuan Yew-like figure who will force them to adopt many of the cultural traits of northern whites. What we categorically need to do is reject all the culture that comes from our dominant neighbors, the Arabs, whose religious superstitions, laziness, tribal thinking, and unwarranted pride seems to have rubbed on Somalis very hard, to the point many Somali clans have fabricated fake lineages to these backward desert dwellers.

"white" kulaha, those who run costal american cities are jews not whites trust me i live in one, whites live in the south and midwest the ones on the coast aint successful

 

[Tukraq]

Jews made them tolerant. They didn't do it themselves.

Jews were heavily behind civil rights legislation and opening up the West to global immigration (both in America and Europe).

The real ethnicity to look up to are Ashkenazi Jews, not these goyim.

yup he mentioned coastal american cities, as a person living in one i can ateast that white people arent even successful in these cities its literally jews first, east asians second lol, which coastal cities is he talking about? seattle(ashkenazi, east asian), bayarea(silicone jewish ceos, east and south asians), La (jewish owned hollywood/actors), newyork(jews wallstreet, sicilians), maybe the irish in boston? there the only "white" coastal city although not really related to other whites or europeans being celtic

 

[Tukraq]

Let us be a bit more nuanced. Northern whites from middle and upper class backgrounds are culturally superior. Not biologically, culturally. No other culture combines as many virtuous elements. Somalis need to start adopting from this culture instead of the backward culture of the lizard eating, desert dwelling foul Bedouins of Arabia who have always been among the dumbest people on the planet

northern european countries have also not been successful in ages, the successful people in america also come from west(jews) and east asia lol, really not superior at all when there lower class in the US and euroupe isnt a success anyways(east asia and isreal already better that europe technologically)

 

[Lostbox]

They developed while we stagnant

 

[Tukraq]

They developed while we stagnant

europe has stagnated and declined since ww2 lol, and has been replaced by east asia as world players, in america the highest earners are asian also but its a multicultural country so whites can be successful of the backs of others like asians and jews, africa has the potential to easily pass europe up like asia did just off population demand and growth potential alone(europes production grows at 1 to 2 percent max literally no looking up)

 

[YourBroMoe]

Stop being a cuck and get to work.

 

[Jaydaan]

When I say "white people" I mean coastal northern white Americans. Much of this applies to Northern Europeans too, as they are cultural kin of northern white Americans. This does not apply to southern white Americans, who have a backwards culture, or whites from backward and grim places such as Russia and Belarus.

White coastal Americans in the northern U.S are among some of the most prosperous, well-educated, and progressive people on the planet. Since I've lived among them nearly my entire life, I've been able to distill their winning traits which give them such a major advantage over all the other people of the world. Since Somalia is a very backwards society that needs a major cultural revolution to save itself from complete extinction, I propose we adopt all of these traits for our society. There is no shame in rejecting much of one's backward ingenious culture while adopting the winning traits of better functioning societies. There is no better example of this than the meiji restoration in Japan, when the Japanese westernized much of their culture, which at the time was isolationist and backward.

Winning Traits of Northern Whites:


1. Work Productivity and Professionalism

Northern Whites attach much of their self-worth to their productivity and professionalism at work. They work long and hard hours on the job for their employer, putting in much beyond the required hours and basic minimums. They aim for excellence and improvement, and are always top notch in their professionalism. I see this every day at my workplace. This also applies if they are self-employed or entrepreneurial. Notably, the obsession of northern whites on doing work and remaining productive is not simply relegated to the workplace. Even in their off hours they do productive things—rigorous exercise, reading and intellectual output, gardening and outdoor activities, civic engagement and volunteerism. They embody the Protestant Work Ethic which tells us "idle hands are the devil's playground."

In contrast, Somalis might be the least productive people on the planet. In my trip to Somalia, I was shocked by the laziness and lack of professionalism among the people who were employed there. Arriving to work late, not completing tasks or completing them poorly, leaving work early, dealing with customers unprofessionally, not following rules and procedures, corruption---all of these things were completely pervasive at every level. A clear example of this lack of professionalism can be found in all of Somalia's airports. It is a constant occurrence that travel agents sell the seats of customers who already paid to other people from their clan, that planes habitually depart outside of their time schedules, and that basic security protcols are commonly ignored, such as searching all persons and pieces of luggage boarding a plane (In my trip through Mogadishu airport cira 2013, I saw luggage being loaded onto the plane without going through any security. No surprise a few years later that Al Shabaab nearly succeed in blowing up an airplane just after take-off). If the employed people in that country are this unproductive and unprofessional, imagine how much worse the unemployed millions are.


2. Focus on Education and Intellectualism

Northern Whites place a big premium on education. Social status is now heavily associated with educational pedigree. Parents compete amongst themselves on the educational achievements of their children. They are all literate and a large percentage of them read for pleasure. In their daily conversations, they often refer to The New York Times, or the Paris Review, or The New Yorker and other publications associated with world knowledge and cosmopolitanism. Being dumb, uneducated or uninformed about the world is a big social liability among them. Even intellectually unimpressive northern whites aim toward intellectualism.

In contrast, the majority of Somalis are illiterate and unintellectual. Very few Somalis read for pleasure. The majority of Somalis homes are barren of any books except the Koran. Somali parents compete over things that are irrelevant toward modern technological life, such as which of their kids has memorized the most chapters of the Koran.

3. Secular or Mainline Protestant

Most northern whites are either secular or members of a mainline protestant church. Mainline protestant is an ideal religion---it does not seek to take over the state or force its moralities on society, it has minimal religious rituals and these rituals don't distort the economy, and they now almost universally preach a progressive theology advocating tolerance, respect, compassion, peace and other humanitarian aspects of spirituality.

In contrast, the majority of Somalis have adopted a reactionary version of Islam. Reactionary Islam will scare away any foreign direct investment as it is deeply intolerant, volatile, and anti-secular. Reactionary Islam interferes with and distorts nearly every part of the society, from the economy to politics.


4. Civi-Minded

There is no greater honor for a northern white person that to be appointed to a board of directors or trustee position for a community organization or institution, like a library system. They spend a lot of time volunteering for, donating to, and politically advocating for these institution, which are the needed bedrock of any functional society.

In contrast, Somalis are not civic minded but slowly through western exposure, are becoming more so. There are now public libraries opening in Somalia and community centers---this is a good first step, but the culture needs to be entrenched.

5. Tolerant and cosmopolitan

Northern whites are tolerant of other races, ethnic groups, religions, and unusual lifestyle practices. They have adopted a 'live and let live' type mentality that does not interfere with other people unless those people are harming the collective somehow. All people are welcome to live among them with minimal discrimination or legal harassment.

In contrast, Somalis are extremely xenophobic, culturally chauvinistic, and intolerant. A plurality of Somalis oppose the construction of churches, the consumption of alcohol, and the presence of sizable foreign communities in Somalia. But what they fail to realize is, without tolerance and a cosmopolitan attitude, nobody will invest in their poor desert state.




------------


What Somalia needs is a Lee Kuan Yew-like figure who will force them to adopt many of the cultural traits of northern whites. What we categorically need to do is reject all the culture that comes from our dominant neighbors, the Arabs, whose religious superstitions, laziness, tribal thinking, and unwarranted pride seems to have rubbed on Somalis very hard, to the point many Somali clans have fabricated fake lineages to these backward desert dwellers.

Nr 4 is such nonsense lol. Civil minded? These people are the most cold blooded killers in the world. White people throughiut history has bern mass killers. They just dont brag about it and always act sad about it.

 

[southside]

while i do agree that its always great and beneficial to incorporate great ideas into our community we must also remain dignified and not compromise our own identity and culture and never worship another race of people

 

[VixR]

Ok, so everything can be simplified down to some vague notion of "adventure," stripped of any cultural component. Is this your final argument?

Of course not. Nothing’s ever that simple. As I already said it’s multi-faceted, but yes, I think adventure contributes significantly to their success.

Think the early expeditions to the Americas, the Amerigo Vespucci types, and then subsequently, the settling of Australia, Canada, and the Americas. Think the colonial era, the Scramble for Africa, Latin America.

I just think they seem to have a tendency to venture everywhich where, for better or for worse (usually for worse with respect to local populations, but not always). You think, “What on earth are they doing there?” Even today, you can find YT videos of them traveling to remote, uncomfortable corners of the world to visit or study something or another for years upon years sometimes, and they have so many notable historical examples of it.

Think Darwin, who was certainly not the first to posit the theory of natural selection, but hauled ass to the Galápagos Islands and made the most resounding case for it.

Think Jane Goodall who hauled ass from England where she was a goddam baroness to Tanzania in the 60s to study chimps for over 50 years and became the world’s leading primatologist.

We’re having a chicken and egg problem. I say those attributes you listed are chickens, ie, products of their civilization. You say they’re eggs. You can tell through reading about history, that those attributes are gradual, long-winded edits to their culture through their civilization, and not inherent attributes of it. But adventure, that’s something they always seem to have had. That and certain important tools like guns have them the upper hand.

 

[The alchemist]

You're showing the lack of historical understanding by contrasting disparities between two distinct circumstances in the current times without analyzing the process of cause and effect. There's a linear continuity between the existing complex systems in the West and the Renaissance.

 

[AIOPZ]

Congratulations, this thread has gotten me something to laugh at tonight. Thanks for that.

 

[TheAnswer]

Nr 4 is such nonsense lol. Civil minded? These people are the most cold blooded killers in the world. White people throughiut history has bern mass killers. They just dont brag about it and always act sad about it.

Of course not. Nothing’s ever that simple. As I already said it’s multi-faceted, but yes, I think adventure contributes significantly to their success.

Think the early expeditions to the Americas, the Amerigo Vespucci types, and then subsequently, the settling of Australia, Canada, and the Americas. Think the colonial era, the Scramble for Africa, Latin America.

I just think they seem to have a tendency to venture everywhich where, for better or for worse (usually for worse with respect to local populations, but not always). You think, “What on earth are they doing there?” Even today, you can find YT videos of them traveling to remote, uncomfortable corners of the world to visit or study something or another for years upon years sometimes, and they have so many notable historical examples of it.

Think Darwin, who was certainly not the first to posit the theory of natural selection, but hauled ass to the Galápagos Islands and made the most resounding case for it.

Think Jane Goodall who hauled ass from England where she was a goddam baroness to Tanzania in the 60s to study chimps for over 50 years and became the world’s leading primatologist.

We’re having a chicken and egg problem. I say those attributes you listed are chickens, ie, products of their civilization. You say they’re eggs. You can tell through reading about history, that those attributes are gradual, long-winded edits to their culture through their civilization, and not inherent attributes of it. But adventure, that’s something they always seem to have had. That and certain important tools like guns have them the upper hand.

Your theory appears to be that the success of northern europeans can be boiled down to their being adventurous, and that the positive cultural attributes I just listed just happened to arise as 'products' of the success brought to them by their keen sense of adventure. Is that correct? Am I misconstruing your arguments?

If that is your argument, I'll remind you that many cultures had their share of great adventurers of the caliber if not greater than those European ones that you have listed. Immediate examples that come to mind include Ibn Battuta and Zheng He, the Ming Dynasty Chinese explorer whose adventures were so vast he even visited Mogadishu. Ibn Battuta was an Arab, a decidedly failed culture, so by this example it's clear that adventure alone does not serve as a key compelling argument to support the reason behind their success.

 

[Tukraq]

Your theory appears to be that the success of northern europeans can be boiled down to their being adventurous, and that the positive cultural attributes I just listed just happened to arise as 'products' of the success brought to them by their keen sense of adventure. Is that correct? Am I misconstruing your arguments?

If that is your argument, I'll remind you that many cultures had their share of great adventurers of the caliber if not greater than those European ones that you have listed. Immediate examples that come to mind include Ibn Battuta and Zheng He, the Ming Dynasty Chinese explorer whose adventures were so vast he even visited Mogadishu. Ibn Battuta was an Arab, a decidedly failed culture, so by this example it's clear that adventure alone does not serve as a key compelling argument to support the reason behind their success.

are we talking in the past? because northern europeans arent very successful currently

 

[TheAnswer]

are we talking in the past? because northern europeans arent very successful currently

the Human Development Index (HDI) would say otherwise.


*watch him say something anti-Semitic or conspiratorial*

 

[Jaydaan]

the Human Development Index (HDI) would say otherwise.


*watch him say something anti-Semitic or conspiratorial*

Like jews control the west? Thats just fact

 

[Tukraq]

the Human Development Index (HDI) would say otherwise.


*watch him say something anti-Semitic or conspiratorial*

indexes are a misleading statistic that are literally biased, "at the discretion of what you add or neglect and how you subjectively weigh things", and what do you mean antisemetic? i get along well with jews who i respect and see as the most successful population in my country america, followed by east asians who earn the most