Will Somalia Sign Abraham Accords With Israel?

[DR OSMAN]

@Rationale I just learned some local history about my 'maternal' awoowe(but his awoowe), im suprised they been in 'afgoye' that long, that's 4-5 generations. But this was when 'zanzibar' managed the south 'barqash', they even had 'pistols' suprisingly, he used to 'store bronze, silver, gold' coins in a 'unmovable' steel 'drum', no wonder I thought about my investments to include a 'portfolio' of 'metals' and why I am going to india to buy as 'many' as possible as it's the largest market with gold circulating, I want land-metals as long term, stock market as 'semi long-term' only my 'life time', short-term investment(how i will build that capital i keep to myself or else ppl will still my ideas).

But then 'darawish of sayidka' came which suprised me they reached 'afgoye' n burnt the village and my awoowe tried to fight back but his pistol was jamming(he probably didn't know how to discharge it), he told his 'two slaves' to run and he was slaughtered by darawish. Those slaves r numerous today and apparently 'abtirsi on my maternal clan', they even participate n join my maternal clan function.

My 'direct' awoowe 'beefed' with 'cali gaaf' HSM in wardhigley who tried to take murusade house which housed the 'well' for the xafaad, my awoowe 'bought' it back n kicked the cali gaaf squatters out.

 

[anon2]

This something people dont talk about enough, with siyad u had dignity, no famine and a strong state. Today those who revolted all their kids want to go tahriib there is no future since they destroyed it in the name of qabiil. Id respect the revolting if those same people could build or atleast maintain instead of destroy then blame a man whose been dead for 30 years.

Back to the topic any president that normalizes ties with yahuud will not survive if Siyad himself didnt when Somalia government was secular there is no way today in 2023 it’ll happen.

Siyaad was going to give presidancy to an Issaq guy named Umar Arteh Ghalib but the USC stopped Umar from becoming president and we know what happened right after. Something could've been maintained but what happened was senseless killing and ruining the image of Somalis and Somalia everywhere. When people think of Somalia they think of the worse.

Also Somalia's government was never "secular", this is another thing that is exaggerated, the women's rights policies were implemented to secure weapons for the USSR. In fact under Siyaad more mosques than every were built and arabic was mandatory to learn for eveyr Somali citizens, money was also poured into the religious ministry. Everything the old government was tactical and operated on the cold hard efficiency. It was brutal and cold but the end goal was to achieve complete Somali self sufficiency and security. This why so much was done throughout the periods of 1969-1986. A written language.. hospitals+schools everywhere, free education, roads, infrastructure, a police force, and 3rd strongest army in Africa. Near self sufficiency in food by the late 80's. All this was possible through a strong government that didn't operate on "feelings". I agree things could've been handled differently but I will not fall for the BS takes that say anything better came after the fall of the government. Nothing better came for the majority of Somalis, only a small few benefited

As for Israel it was actually considered an enemy and not recognized by the Somali government, Israel funded Ethiopia in the war against us and even sent them advisors.

 

[Rationale]

No one arguing he didn't do it. We are telling you the reason why him or whoever ordered the strikes did it. You can't comprehend that though, do you know South Korean government killed over 20K civlians in jeju massacre? Virtually every country and government has done awful things to it's citizens.

We aren't justifying shit, we are just saying there are 2 sides to every story. The SNM was doing awful things that were documented worldwide way before any of this happened and they were offered a sit down multiple times but due to their foreign backers they refused and continue doing what they were doing. The numbers Issaqs say in which the Somali Gov. killed 200K of them is wrong and inflated too and international community knows this. I would hedge my bets that more people died in the north due to the direct collapse of the government, famine and habar wars than the bombings that occurred.

What you are doing is simple, you are justifying the massacre of the masses. The citizens have every right to stand up and demand justice for their deceased relatives killed by the state. And that happens when the failed politicians who had to resort to violence due to their incompetence are put to the chopping blog. That way the state survives the and the nation moves on.

You want us to accept your adeers incompetence as a redeeming quality. The fact MSB allowed SNM to be formed is already a failure, let alone his incompetence to win the hearts of the Isaaq masses. You guys have no hope. You know nothing of state building or how normal nations evolve and move on. No sane wadani defends men like AY or MSB they are individuals real wadanis try to save the state by throwing the individuals under the bus.

By the way South Korea has released several apologies to the Jejju people. And the state has come forth and said they were wrong for what they did, even the president of that time has come forth and apologised, let alone the average South Korean who sees it as a heinous action by the government.

 

[anon2]

@DR OSMAN the more I read about the true history the more I am shocked. Somalia was truly a powerful nation in Africa, many indicators were inaccurate at the time for how great it was. I am shocked by the amount of things that were locally produced and how quickly industries were created.

 

[anon2]

What you are doing is simple, you are justifying the massacre of the masses. The citizens have every right to stand up and demand justice for their deceased relatives killed by the state. And that happens when the failed politicians who had to resort to violence due to their incompetence are put the chopping blog. That way the state survives the and the nation moves on.

You want us to accept your adeers incompetence as a redeeming quality. The fact MSB allowed SNM to be formed is already a failure, let alone his incompetence to win the hearts of the Isaaq masses. You guys have no hope. You know nothing of state building or how normal nations evolve and move on. No sane wadani defends men like AY or MSB they are individuals real wadanis try to save the state by throwing the individuals under the bus.

By the way South Korea has released several apologies to the Jejju people. And the state has come forth and said they were wrong for what they did, even the president of that time has come forth and apologised, let alone the average South Korean who sees it as a heinous action by the government.

I am not justifying anything, I am just giving you an example. EVERY side committed crimes, to achieve "real" reconciliation we need to admit what everyone did. MSB isn't my uncle or my "tol" nor did he help my "tol" my "tol" didn't gain anything from Siyaad other than free eduction and free healthcare. SNM formed because it started out as an Ethiopian project, the were operating in Ethiopia first and running across the border to kill innocent geeljir samaroon and ciise and plant mines.

Somalis need REAL reconciliation in which people cry and hug like @DR OSMAN said for reconciliation to happen. They need to accept what they've done. You say we know nothing about state building but what "state" is there now? Somalis need a fresh start. The ICU are better than what we have today. are not sovereignty and are divided while non-Somalis steal our resources and do Iskudir. No foreigner should own land in Somalia, no gaals should have a compound in Xamar and no other countries should be stealing our fish. What we have today is nothing, whether you are in Hargesia, Garowe or Xamar. We are owned people.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Rationale darod will not negiotate and we will present out facts to the world that HAGS N SNM deny away.

1. Our Presidential leaders only took violence on un-elected rebels n terrorists, we will ask the world, is an elected president not given the power to remove un-elected rebels n terrorists? then they will tell u please stop demanding darods to rule and allow unelected thugs n terrorists to create un-elected parrelel govts. Darods will take firm action.

2. Post 91, no darod clan has launched any offensive war on non darod clans, is an undeniable fact, every conflict it's HAG/SNM launching attacks on our lands and we remain in a 'defensive' posture, we are not 'pacifists' if u think we don't attack u langaab.

3. PL is the only govt re-created post somalia thru peaceful means not VIOLENT Means like SL which we will show can only lead to 'violence' removing that state or they will be like north korea-iran supporting all evil in the region and globe to keep the cracks on their founding from being exposed.

Untill your clans are forced by the world to accept those facts, then we will discuss 91 and the clan genocide u all did to darod civilians who were not fighting anyone. The looting, etc.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Was pretty vocal about the palestinian cause, till i realized they were living better than us.View attachment 258797View attachment 258798

Stop posting fake HDI. Simple mathamatical formulas that anyone can research. Darods are way smarter then IRIR, look at irir academic base diaspora, it's 1 or 2, where-as it's thousands for darod.

 

[Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid]

Stop posting fake HDI. Simple mathamatical formulas that anyone can research. Darods are way smarter then IRIR, look at irir academic base diaspora, it's 1 or 2, where-as it's thousands for darod.

Doctor i’m not sure what you’re talking about. But darood states are generally doing pretty well for somali standards. We have 4 states in the top 7, and in the top 9 we have 6 states. Capitals are inherently suppose to have a higher HDI.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Doctor i’m not sure what you’re talking about. But darood states are generally doing pretty well for somali standards. We have 4 states in the top 7, and in the top 9 we have 6 states. Capitals are inherently suppose to have a higher HDI.

Trust me bro Darods are doing the best. No HDI assessment was done. HDI measures school enrollments/quality, infrastructure(coverage and access), wealth/income of the average worker, unemployment levels, health access/coverage. PL has the best infrastructure hands-down(2 ports, 3 airports plus countless unpaved strips).

It's paving 56 KM in Bosaso thru 19 road project. Our electricity coverage is up there as the best, our water coverage is unmatched(32 dams so far), our education system(primary/secondary) is the best in the nation even admitted by the southies. Their is only institution all Somalis attend is 'awdal' university, if something of quality exists outside 'darod' regions, u will see ppl rushing there. For example Mogadishu is definitely leading in 'specialist hospitals' but 'mch' n infant mortality rate, puntland is doing real well also can't be denied.

I'll cut it short for u bro. Besides Amoud in Awdal and Hamar specialist hospitals built by 'turks' there is nothing they r beating us in, those northerners flee to PL for 'jobs' cuz it pays better bro showing our economy is more robust.

 

[killerxsmoke]

You guys are so childish. Siad leveled whole cities to the ground and yet you support him. Muuse does same he is evil. Grown men with logic like this, and I'm the ciyaal, me who can stand up and say Siad and Biixi are no different? kkkkk You guys have one position and not ready to budge from it. The divide will only grow wider with your mentality.

They are only supporting siad cuz they are from the same clan what's the point in arguing with him

 

[DR OSMAN]

They are only supporting siad cuz they are from the same clan what's the point in arguing with him

I even supported HSM who is 'elected' by Somali ppl, if majerten or any darod started a rebel or terrorist group on him, I wud be the firsts to tell him 'war garaca' duliyasha who are un-elected. But you won't say the same for abdillahi or siyad. I won't care how many darod civilians die as long as they r 'sheilding' them.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@killerxsmoke war 'xal' qaado, war ma aha 'illahi aya ii dortay dawlad' like ICU/SHABAB did to abdillahi yusuf, war ma aha waxasi dad wa-wayn lala tago. It's a joke and ppl will wonder what your 'real intentions' are such as 'loot'. The ppl elect their leaders not GOD.

 

[anon2]

They are only supporting siad cuz they are from the same clan what's the point in arguing with him

Wallahi we are not. Siyaad targeted his own before anyone else. We are just being impartial and rational.

 

[WayyyyOUT1]

They are only supporting siad cuz they are from the same clan what's the point in arguing with him

That’s cap tho i dont support Farmajo nor Abdulahi yusuf now what deflection will you use?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Wallahi we are not. Siyaad targeted his own before anyone else. We are just being impartial and rational.

What wud u do if all somalis elected u as their govt, these HAGS(1 CLAN) in hamar declare 'illahi ayaa na dortay as dawlada somalia', what wud u do bro? u can see why 'yey' was left with no choice but to remove n eliminate these nabad-diids at all cost like any nation would to any terrorist or rebel group.

 

[killerxsmoke]

@Rationale darod will not negiotate and we will present out facts to the world that HAGS N SNM deny away.

1. Our Presidential leaders only took violence on un-elected rebels n terrorists, we will ask the world, is an elected president not given the power to remove un-elected rebels n terrorists? then they will tell u please stop demanding darods to rule and allow unelected thugs n terrorists to create un-elected parrelel govts. Darods will take firm action.

2. Post 91, no darod clan has launched any offensive war on non darod clans, is an undeniable fact, every conflict it's HAG/SNM launching attacks on our lands and we remain in a 'defensive' posture, we are not 'pacifists' if u think we don't attack u langaab.

3. PL is the only govt re-created post somalia thru peaceful means not VIOLENT Means like SL which we will show can only lead to 'violence' removing that state or they will be like north korea-iran supporting all evil in the region and globe to keep the cracks on their founding from being exposed.

Untill your clans are forced by the world to accept those facts, then we will discuss 91 and the clan genocide u all did to darod civilians who were not fighting anyone. The looting, etc.

2. Post 91, no darod clan has launched any offensive war on non darod clans, is an undeniable fact, every conflict it's HAG/SNM launching attacks on our lands and we remain in a 'defensive' posture, we are not 'pacifists' if u think we don't attack u langaab.


I always see you throwing this around that u didnt attack anyone post 91, but before that u did. This is what ur basically doing, for example u beat me up on december 31st 2022 and the next day when I try to get my revenge u say why are you hitting I haven't done u any wrong in the year 2023. This is how u sound like a total toddler

 

[anon2]

What wud u do if all somalis elected u as their govt, these moryans in hamar declare 'illahi ayaa na dortay as dawlada somalia', what wud u do bro? u can see why 'yey' was left with no choice but to remove n eliminate these nabad-diids

I would defend my country, even if my own "tol" attacked. This why many intellectual Issaqs and HAGs were with the Somali Gov until the very end. They knew that Qaran was more important than "tol". The terrorist SNM were given multiple chances to sit down and tell their side, instead the opted out to target civilians and continue listening to the orders of Ethiopian gov

Notice the dates of these articles and documents. These terrorists were causing a lot of harm wayyy before the bombing of Hargesia.

 

[DR OSMAN]

That’s cap tho i dont support Farmajo nor Abdulahi yusuf now what deflection will you use?

Farmajo rebuilt our institutions is undeniable including our security sector which HSM inherited. Don't reject 'yey', he was elected by the ppl, noone elected ICU/SHABAB but their own clans, trying to over-ride an 'elected' govt by all somalis. They were the true tribalist cunts, who does that sort of shit 'exposing' your qabiil hatred to the point saying 'god elected me as islamic court' and we reject 'embaghati process' which all somali elites were present, who was 'present' in ICU, moryans only from 1 clan, do we stop a whole govt elected for an unelected terrorist or ICU

 

[DR OSMAN]

I wud say to shabab 'shababay' yaa idin soo dortay idinku when ur fighting with an elected government, 'xitaa' isma-gabtayasha hawiye doqonkooda ma gabtan way uu heesan. Dont come to ragga and say 'illahi ayaa ii dortay' war waxan hawiye dalka ha laga gabto ee isma gabtee. If we dont 'stop' hawiye the world will 'see' this and 'laugh at us'

 

[Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid]

2. Post 91, no darod clan has launched any offensive war on non darod clans, is an undeniable fact, every conflict it's HAG/SNM launching attacks on our lands and we remain in a 'defensive' posture, we are not 'pacifists' if u think we don't attack u langaab.


I always see you throwing this around that u didnt attack anyone post 91, but before that u did. This is what ur basically doing, for example u beat me up on december 31st 2022 and the next day when I try to get my revenge u say why are you hitting I haven't done u any wrong in the year 2023. This is how u sound like a total toddler

You’re evil man, everybody starts off the year with a clean slate. Why would you retaliate when he hit you last year.