Will Somalia Sign Abraham Accords With Israel?

[Somali Saayid]

@Somali Ugaas what's funny is how saudis r switching quick smart to secular to counter Iran who is challenging them on Islamic extremism, they switching so they can create secular islam now to challenge iran as 'radical' loooool, they did the same to turks, creating wahabism to challenge turks on sufism, but it was fuelled by their desire to be powerful n it was backed by brits who was in a war with the ottomans and wanted to open up multiple war fronts in it's backyard and who better but to use these najdi backward ppl. They even backed them with oil t ensure Islamic world can be tamed down to ignorance. Wicked ppl those najdis, they even kicked out the sharifs of mecca pro ottomans from hijaz who fled to jordan to create that country.

The sharifs were no better, the story of Fakhrudiin Pasha has always been interesting to me. Imagine the saudis besieging a holy city.
Yaab.
Abdulhamid the second should've dealt with the saudis not his mother's tol.
The man fasciantes me.
For 33 years he held of the inevitable fate of the 'sick man of europe'
Through his rapid modernization the steps for a modern turkey were built by him.

 

[anon2]

If Israel is going to give us farming technology, weapons, intelligence and money then it's worth it. If not then there is no point right now in a geopolitical sense. Israel is the strongest and most advance country that is closest to Somalia, if we are going to sign this we need to benefit it from it greatly. Their intelligence service is probably the best one of the world too.

Israel will obviously want something in return for helping us, having a key ally in the Horn that is stable would be good for them to fight Iranian influence. It might be a win-win situation

 

[Macawisley]

Why not, I think we should tbh. We need to follow our own interests just like half of the Arab League members did

 

[anon2]

Why not, I think we should tbh. We need to follow our own interests just like half of the Arab League members did

That's how geopolitics works, Somalis nowadays are too emotional Wallahi. I wish we had the same leaders we had in the 70's/80's who worked their geopolitics maneuvering for Somalia's interests. Look at how well spoken these 2 guys were and their use of language.

 

[Macawisley]

That's how geopolitics works, Somalis nowadays are too emotional Wallahi. I wish we had the same leaders we had in the 70's/80's who worked their geopolitics maneuvering for Somalia's interests. Look at how well spoken these 2 guys were and their use of language.

Exactly, do you know when we were looking for independence the first country that recognised us was Israel in 1960, why can’t we return the favour and recognise them too? We need to stop being emotional and focus on our interests

 

[Keep it a boqol]

That's how geopolitics works, Somalis nowadays are too emotional Wallahi. I wish we had the same leaders we had in the 70's/80's who worked their geopolitics maneuvering for Somalia's interests. Look at how well spoken these 2 guys were and their use of language.

AUN to Abdirizak haji hussein and Umar Arteh Ghalib. Educated and intellectual men this era was truely the best

 

[Rationale]

Exactly, do you know when we were looking for independence the first country that recognised us was Israel in 1960, why can’t we return the favour and recognise them too? We need to stop being emotional and focus on our interests

States are above morality, they are expected to be selfish, individuals are subject to moral code.

 

[AbdiSamaale]

no arab would shed a tear nor a plea for somalis if we were in the same position

 

[Macawisley]

no arab would shed a tear nor a plea for somalis if we were in the same position

Alhamdulilah we are 666,000km2 in size and are not landlocked

 

[Keep it a boqol]

We already are a nation dependent on the US. It’s funny how we have no problem with that given their track record. Yet Israel relations is completely out of question

 

[DR OSMAN]

@anon2 The smartest ppl in the world are 'jewish', most of the academics has them as pioneers or a great portion, most of the world history is sourced from their bible also.

It's well known jewish IQ are the highest in the world, and their not only book-smart but these guys actually 'innovate' their respective fields judging by their '25% share' of nobel peace prizes when they only represent 10 million worldwide out of a pool of 8 billion. 0.111111% owning 25% of the world progress is amazing. Plus their worldwide billionaires combined own 20% of the world's wealth.

Their land is identical to our land geologically also, so we can benefit a-lot on cross-exchanges.

Plus in security their the leaders not just intelligence but cyber also. Their armed forces is 'wicked' too.

Somalia has many options opened tho. Belt n Road initiative of china, includes us. As we know china is big player on the continent, so african markets will need to come to our 'trade zone' once we establish that with china that we will be their 'gateway' to the continent who african nations will come to Somalia to collect their chinese goods/products.

But then we need to balance the 'west' who uses the red sea to connect to china, which is another 'trade' route in 'conflict' with China. It's the ussr n usa shit all over again but this time at an 'economic sphere'.

We need the best 'long term strategicians' this time who don't throw us into a 'world order' where we collapse like wat happened after ussr collapsed, we went down too at the same time and so did all it's alliances'.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@anon2 Kenyattis won't get china their in bed with the 'west'. China will want a 'central' point for african nations rising up to collect their goods/products from china on the continent. We already have 'trade' experience culturally and till today, Somalia cud become their choice of 'African economic zone'. But we must talk to them about the 'red sea' and it's importance historically(most used laneway in human history) and what deal we can do to ensure the 'west' and it's allies are not 'disturbed'.

Remember Somali Pennisula(in particular PL) sits at the 'entry/exit' channel of the red sea, it's not as insignificant as the rest on the 'channel' who do not factor in on the 'access points' only 'egypt' does on the other side of the channel. All red sea territories r important don't get me wrong but as with everything their 'grades' to importance. They can disturb the trade by doing 'isbaaro' on their channel, but it won't choke hold the whole channel is what I mean, where-as if PL or any alliance it has promotes to choke-hold 'red sea', the whole 'trade route' stops. Im worried china proposes a 'base' at 'gardafu' that will send a devastating message to the 'west' and we will be in 'conflict' but this time it will be 'our land'

 

[DR OSMAN]

We shud tell Oman n China to 'serve' the mid-east n Somalia to 'serve' the african continent on the belt n road initiative, no african is going to 'oman' realistically.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@anon2 we need 'human capital' the most, it's the most importance resource, even tho natural resources is good, u won't know how to use it or leverage it without human capital, plus human capital resource isn't unlimited 'reserve' unlike natural resources which will run out or some political changes will happen to it like 'climate change'. This is the most important area we must 'negiotate' on with any partner we go too, about the human capital aspect. Human capital can lead us not only to 'control' our environment but make use it of the best way, plus it's a huge pool if managed well can lead to potential 'inventors or innovators' or 'highly required skills'.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@anon2 china is shifting it's trade away from the west is obvious, they will still use them untill their trade corridor matures, after that, i doubt that will be the case, so it's in their interest 'africa' rises so they can feed it all its products/goods rather then right now with the west being their biggest trade partner or they cud be doing wicked strategy of being central point for the whole globe markets and then 'dominating' the world by 'threats' ur markets will 'collapse' without china, where-as we cant say they will collapse in return, since the whole globe will be linked to them either directly(trade zones or indirectly nations connected to the trade zone), they will just remove ur ass from their trade partner list and u go down, not them.

As for Kenya they can try to 'bid' with china but china will be like 'if they put their trade zone' link there with all the amount of western influence, they cud 'destroy' it if a conflict has happen between china n west, they're not dumb, they want a nation that is NEUTRAL or PRO china, but 'neutral' waa 'inay muuqata' not just 'words' and doing something else. Oman foreign policy is perfect it's perfectly 'neutral' and 'proves' it, something somalis need to learn from their 'art' to foreign nations, they don't just run into world orders like ussr/usa time period but we did showing our stupidity.

I wud send all foreign diplomats to Oman to 'study' from them not UAE or Saudi looool, they have no 'history' like Oman and why Oman is always stable proves these guys r good

 

[DR OSMAN]

States are above morality, they are expected to be selfish, individuals are subject to moral code.

Short term thinking styles only lead to nations turning their back, it's about mutual benefit not 1 sided benefit n 'long' term partnership, the key is 'long term', flip-floppers will be deemed as 'risky'

 

[Rationale]

Short term thinking styles only lead to nations turning their back, it's about mutual benefit not 1 sided benefit n 'long' term partnership, the key is 'long term', flip-floppers will be deemed as 'risky'

What I said entails that, no matter what position HSMs government takes, it is not Somalia that is "evil yahuud lackey" but HSM. The same way when MSBs government employed nasty measures to quell the SNM rebellion. It was not Somalia that was evil but Siad Barre. The individuals in the government are subject to this morale code not Somalia as a state.

 

[DR OSMAN]

If we join the belt n road, We must drop this hate for africa, we must pressure them on good governance and good economic management systems and tell them it's in our national interest that they grow n prosper as this will lead to 'increased' trade coming to Somalia to collect their chinese goods/products plus make us more influential to our Chinese overlords, who will demand it's trade zones to compete and prove it's worth to China. China isn't the west sxb, these guys don't care for empty words but economic reality.

 

[DR OSMAN]

What I said entails that, no matter what position HSMs government takes, it is not Somalia that is "evil yahuud lackey" but HSM. The same way when MSBs government employed nasty measures to quell the SNM rebellion. It was not Somalia that was evil but Siad Barre. The individuals in the government are subject to this morale code not Somalia as a state.

How Siyad evil, siyad was defending his state from terrorist/rebel gaals who fought from civilian quarters, is america evil for fighting confederates, is abi ahmed evil for bombing tigray? is HSM evil for attacking shabab like YEY did when they were fighting behind civilians like cowards. Somalis voted yey into power noone voted shabab into power waryaa keleb, yey represented somalis like HSM does now

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Rationale stop defending rebels n terrorists and denying a leader who is chosen to lead n protect his country from all terrorists/rebels. Shabab/Rebels cid dooratay ma jirto waryaa, they claim allah voted them into power, caqli xumadooda, ppl elect their leaders not god. They stand on no ground and are TERRORISTS Moryans who r looking only to make somalia an 'iran model' sanctioned by the whole world or worse if they 'spread' their evil into our red sea channel energy trade, it will be decided by the world to 'throw nuclear bombs' on somalia, that's their only 'outcome' even if these unelected thugs/moryans got their way.

I urge the ppl sheilding these ppl in your terror infested neighborhoods to kick them out, If I was president 'go'an' adag baan qaadan laha like 'yey', I will 'warn' them 'you got 72 hours' to remove these ppl and if they refuse, The elected leader must take action on these un-elected thugs.