Will Somalia Sign Abraham Accords With Israel?

[DR OSMAN]

@Rationale hawiye is wrong and isma gabtan. Shabab want to use violence to get to power arguing 'allah elected' them, the absolute stupidity is accepted by hawiye locals who don't say 'war orod naga tag wax kale baad raadinaysan'. If u create a state thru violence, u will fall to violence, this is undeniable no matter where u look and if u don't fall like north korea/iran, the world will close u 'off' and this will force u to pursue 'all evil' in the world to cause more fire. SNM listen to my wisdom, the dr doesnt give advice to other clans often.

I only wish Majerten was president, something radical will happen in hamar which the locals will hate us for but it will leave a 'legacy' ay ka 'duuli karan'.

 

[Rationale]

How Siyad evil, siyad was defending his state from terrorist/rebel gaals who fought from civilian quarters, is america evil for fighting confederates, is abi ahmed evil for bombing tigray? is HSM evil for attacking shabab like YEY did when they were fighting behind civilians like cowards. Somalis voted yey into power noone voted shabab into power waryaa keleb, yey represented somalis like HSM does now

Let me put it in a more sensible way for you
For the actions Somalia as a state took against reer waqooyi those that should be labeled evil by the international community, the victims and the rebels as a whole should be the individuals not the state since state is everyone. For example I don't blame the atrocities Siad committed against Abgaals on Somalia but on MSB or what the Ethiopians did under the TFG led by AY on Somalia as a state.

State is above moral codes it is expected to be brutal when you go aigainst it, but this doesn't extend to individuals otherwise every atrocity will be swept under the rug.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Let me put it in a more sensible way for you
For the actions Somalia as a state took against reer waqooyi those that should be labeled evil by the international community, the victims and the rebels as a whole should be the individuals not the state since state is everyone. For example I don't blame the atrocities Siad committed against Abgaals on Somalia but on MSB or what the Ethiopians did under the TFG led by AY on Somalia as a state.

State is above moral codes it is expected to be brutal when you go aigainst it, but this doesn't extend to individuals otherwise every atrocity will be swept under the rug.

Im sorry Rationale, siyad wasn't wrong, the rebels fought from civilian quarters, if they didn't and he targetted civilian quarters like SNM thugs r doing in Las and now, I would condemn him. But these 'fuley xaar wayn' hid behind civilians using them as a sheild thinking this will make siyad 'nudge n stop' and allow these un-elected thugs sent from ethiopia take the north without a fight. U think a real country will allow that to happen, it will open all flood gates for every group to do the same if harsh action isn't taken.

YEY was elected waryaa by somalis, shabab wasn't elected by anyone and claiming they are the rulers of somalia and u put blame on 'yey' for attacking these terrorist thugs?

 

[Yusuf Abdi Ali Rashid]

Was pretty vocal about the palestinian cause, till i realized they were living better than us.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Rationale don't run for power, u will be a 'waste' for the nation as u will stand by and allow any rebel or terrorist to self-elect themselves by arguing 'god chose' them and will u will nudge on the fact your 'elected' by the ppl, u will allow these thugs to grow to the point every group responds doing the same leading to state collapse. Nice one Genius. War go'an adag ayaa la qaata when u r 'right' and they r 'wrong' and u prove they r wrong by telling them 'ciid ku soo dooratay ma jirto' if they don't accept that, MADAXA IYO MEEL KASTO AY GALAN WAAN KU GARACI LAHA ANIGU

 

[Rationale]

Im sorry Rationale, siyad wasn't wrong, the rebels fought from civilian quarters, if they didn't and he targetted civilian quarters like SNM thugs r doing in Las and now, I would condemn him. But these 'fuley xaar wayn' hid behind civilians using them as a sheild thinking this will make siyad 'nudge n stop' and allow these un-elected thugs sent from ethiopia take the north without a fight. U think a real country will allow that to happen, it will open all flood gates for every group to do the same if harsh action isn't taken.

YEY was elected waryaa by somalis, shabab wasn't elected by anyone and claiming they are the rulers of somalia and u put blame on 'yey' for attacking these terrorist thugs?

Beerlaawe didn't attack Shabaab he attacked ICU led by Sheikh Sharif, only to accept the good Shiekh as the new government. You are defending individuals I'm defending the state.

 

[Gaarasho]

I never personally understood Somali love of Palestine, yes their oppressed, yes they lost their land, yes Israel is brutal(which I don't blame post holocaust), but for god sakes, I didn't see any arab care when ethiopia/kenya stole our land, in-fact they 'assisted' ethiopia in the 77 war along with Cuba. So why do they expect us to bow down and join the sob story of palestine when they not only didn't help us with our lands missing, they even sided with the Amhara.

You’re a Gaal what makes you think you’d ever have a say in intra Muslim relations

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Rationale War cid dooratay ICU IYO SHABAB ma jirto keleb, iyaga is doortay to lead the nation, what is wrong with u ambuulo brain, the rightful leader was 'yey' everyone else who claimed they were leaders were unelected terrorists, dont try putting jambals before an elected leader, u will suffer HEAVY CASUALTIES

 

[anon2]

How Siyad evil, siyad was defending his state from terrorist/rebel gaals who fought from civilian quarters, is america evil for fighting confederates, is abi ahmed evil for bombing tigray? is HSM evil for attacking shabab like YEY did when they were fighting behind civilians like cowards. Somalis voted yey into power noone voted shabab into power waryaa keleb, yey represented somalis like HSM does now

@DR OSMAN do not waste your time replying to him.

SNM was targeting civilians and using their homes to hide. They would kidnap geeljirs, hijack planes, attack state institutions and were working + were funded with Ethiopia (enemy government) which was trying it's hardest to employee qabaalyad into Somalia. even Western media was calling the SNM terrorists. Even when Siyaad offered them peace and asked them what they wanted they refused, they couldn't even answer him as to what they wanted. This Rationale guy is a 16 year old child who hasn't read anything about what happened and looked at sources, he is simply basing everything on what he's heard from his parents/relatives.

We only get one side of the history because one side is louder than the other. Just because SNM is loud doesn't mean their version of history is right. They are the biggest fakes in Somali history. We need to be impartial when we look at history and view results.

We have nothing to show for the last 30+ years, we can all disagree on how the old government operated but you cannot deny the facts that they were able to achieve results. It took them 1 year to complete tasks that seem impossible for todays "government". I admit this and I'm not a Kacaanist.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@DR OSMAN do not waste your time replying to him.

SNM was targeting civilians and using their homes to hide. They would kidnap geeljirs, hijack planes and were working + were funded with Ethiopia (enemy government) which was trying it's hardest to employee qabaalyad into Somalia. even Western media was calling the SNM terrorists. Even when Siyaad offered them peace and asked them what they wanted they refused, they couldn't even answer him as to what they wanted. This Rationale guy is a 16 year old child who hasn't read anything about what happened and looked at sources, he is simply basing everything on what he's heard from his parents/relatives.

We only get one side of the history because one side is louder than the other. Just because SNM is loud doesn't mean their version of history is right. They are the biggest fakes in Somali history. We need to be impartial when we look at history and view results.

We have nothing to show for the last 30+ years, we can all disagree on how the old government operated but you cannot deny the facts that they were able to achieve results. It took them 1 year to complete tasks that seem impossible for todays "government". I admit this and I'm not a Kacaanist.

They only read one side of the conflict not the 'whole' side, then they come out in public trying to 'brainwash' everyone. The ppl shud of told rebels don't put at 'risk' if your our 'tol' and they didn't, only themselves to blame not siyad doing his govt duty. They shud of said 'somali idin ma dooran' your not the 'state', please get away from us u THUGS oo ujeedo kale leh

 

[Rationale]

@Rationale War cid dooratay ICU IYO SHABAB ma jirto keleb, iyaga is doortay to lead the nation, what is wrong with u ambuulo brain, the rightful leader was 'yey' everyone else who claimed they were leaders were unelected terrorists, dont try putting jambals before an elected leader, u will suffer HEAVY CASUALTIES

ICU won the hearts of the people, they were organic grassroot movement, worked on the ground bringing law and order. Beerlaawe was selected in a Kenyan hotel lol.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I never personally understood Somali love of Palestine, yes their oppressed, yes they lost their land, yes Israel is brutal(which I don't blame post holocaust), but for god sakes, I didn't see any arab care when ethiopia/kenya stole our land, in-fact they 'assisted' ethiopia in the 77 war along with Cuba. So why do they expect us to bow down and join the sob story of palestine when they not only didn't help us with our lands missing, they even sided with the Amhara.

Maybe Wikipedia is lying but I count four Arab countries total and I count three supporting Somalia and one on the side of Ethiopia.

also... did South Yemen support Ethiopia because they were Arabs or because they had some sort of Communist type government? obviously it was a lot more to do with Communist type/pro USSR politics than anything to do with being an Arab... and that regime doesn't even exist any more and I don't think there is any regime like that in the Arab world... that historical South Yemen regime is very unrepresentative of Arab countries

 

[anon2]

They only read one side of the conflict not the 'whole' side, then they come out in public trying to 'brainwash' everyone.

They have yet to produce anything better, neither the SNM or USC. The SNM still use roads that Siyaad made for them. Cities like Burco and Berbera were full of factories and were rich in the 70s into the late 80s. You know the first thing the SNM did when they took over? They attacked Tuurs group and destroyed all the factories in Burco, the military base in Awdal, closed Zeylac port. They also stopped Burco from being livestock export hub.

Here is what Burco citizens say.

 

[DR OSMAN]

You’re a Gaal what makes you think you’d ever have a say in intra Muslim relations

War ina adeer i love my ancestors they paved the way for me and where I am and if u want me to come back to Islam it won't be for 'faith' but love of 'tol' only at this 'stage' of my life, maybe when im older I will find Islam is true who knows but im not there yet, marka naga jojji the constant 'ankle biting'. I don't hide i love my ancestors, i declare my bias but I also use my brain and don't let my intelligence over-ride my 'feelings'.

 

[bidenkulaha]

I see the argument for better relations with Israel. But there’s a visceral uneasiness about working with them that I feel. I can see pragmatically it’s better for us to have good relations with the most powerful lobby in America and they have a lot of technologies in the fields we need support in.

 

[Rationale]

@DR OSMAN do not waste your time replying to him.

SNM was targeting civilians and using their homes to hide. They would kidnap geeljirs, hijack planes, attack state institutions and were working + were funded with Ethiopia (enemy government) which was trying it's hardest to employee qabaalyad into Somalia. even Western media was calling the SNM terrorists. Even when Siyaad offered them peace and asked them what they wanted they refused, they couldn't even answer him as to what they wanted. This Rationale guy is a 16 year old child who hasn't read anything about what happened and looked at sources, he is simply basing everything on what he's heard from his parents/relatives.

We only get one side of the history because one side is louder than the other. Just because SNM is loud doesn't mean their version of history is right. They are the biggest fakes in Somali history. We need to be impartial when we look at history and view results.

We have nothing to show for the last 30+ years, we can all disagree on how the old government operated but you cannot deny the facts that they were able to achieve results. It took them 1 year to complete tasks that seem impossible for todays "government". I admit this and I'm not a Kacaanist.

They only read one side of the conflict not the 'whole' side, then they come out in public trying to 'brainwash' everyone. The ppl shud of told rebels don't put at 'risk' if your our 'tol' and they didn't, only themselves to blame not siyad doing his govt duty. They shud of said 'somali idin ma dooran' your not the 'state', please get away from us u THUGS oo ujeedo kale leh

You guys are so childish. Siad leveled whole cities to the ground and yet you support him. Muuse does same he is evil. Grown men with logic like this, and I'm the ciyaal, me who can stand up and say Siad and Biixi are no different? kkkkk You guys have one position and not ready to budge from it. The divide will only grow wider with your mentality.

 

[anon2]

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Maybe Wikipedia is lying but I count four Arab countries total and I count three supporting Somalia and one on the side of Ethiopia.

also... did South Yemen support Ethiopia because they were Arabs or because they had some sort of Communist type government? obviously it was a lot more to do with Communist type/pro USSR politics than anything to do with being an Arab... and that regime doesn't even exist any more and I don't think there is any regime like that in the Arab world... that historical South Yemen regime is very unrepresentative of Arab countries

Take anything on Wikipedia with a grain of salt.

These numbers are fake, Somalia had 20K troops max. The Ethiopians and Idoors who always edit these Wikipedia pages always do this by inflating numbers and doing some sort of historical revisionism. Syria, Libya, North Korea, South Yemen, East Germany, USSR, Poland, Bulgaria and Israel were helping Ethiopia too.

Also Aided wasn't a commander in that war. He was under Maxamed Xaashi Gaani as an advisor to his division. Irro and Samatar were the ones who set up the initial plans for the successful offensives and counter-offensives that managed to push far and hard into Ethiopian territory and destroy all their bases in Ogaden

 

[anon2]

You guys are so childish. Siad leveled whole cities to the ground and yet you support him. Muuse does same he is evil. Grown men with logic like this, and I'm the ciyaal, me who can stand up and say Siad and Biixi are no different? kkkkk You guys have one position and not ready to budge from it. The divide will only grow wider with your mentality.

No one arguing he didn't do it. We are telling you the reason why him or whoever ordered the strikes did it. You can't comprehend that though, do you know South Korean government killed over 20K civlians in jeju massacre? Virtually every country and government has done awful things to it's citizens.

We aren't justifying shit, we are just saying there are 2 sides to every story. The SNM was doing awful things that were documented worldwide way before any of this happened and they were offered a sit down multiple times but due to their foreign backers they refused and continue doing what they were doing. The numbers Issaqs say in which the Somali Gov. killed 200K of them is wrong and inflated too and international community knows this. I would hedge my bets that more people died in the north due to the direct collapse of the government, famine and habar wars than the bombings that occurred.

 

[WayyyyOUT1]

I would hedge my bets that more people died in the north due to the direct collapse of the government, famine and habar wars than the bombings that occurred.

This something people dont talk about enough, with siyad u had dignity, no famine and a strong state. Today those who revolted all their kids want to go tahriib there is no future since they destroyed it in the name of qabiil. Id respect the revolting if those same people could build or atleast maintain instead of destroy then blame a man whose been dead for 30 years.

Back to the topic any president that normalizes ties with yahuud will not survive if Siyad himself didnt when Somalia government was secular there is no way today in 2023 it’ll happen.

 

[DR OSMAN]

You guys are so childish. Siad leveled whole cities to the ground and yet you support him. Muuse does same he is evil. Grown men with logic like this, and I'm the ciyaal, me who can stand up and say Siad and Biixi are no different? kkkkk You guys have one position and not ready to budge from it. The divide will only grow wider with your mentality.

U bloody tosser, SSC ppl r not fighting from hospitals-schools-homes, their at the front line fighting these coward snm thugs man to man, u can't compare SNM naago hiding behind their civilians in their neighborhoods, the dhulos are not doing this, if they were we would tell them, they are at fault. Darods are reasonable but don't paint shit one way always. Plus these SNM thugs came their by 'force' not thru 'peace n dialogue', no-one elected them from sool, they elected themselves.