"Why I am not an atheist"

[DR OSMAN]

@Amk @Bundasliga everytime u say allah has no pre-existing cause and can exist, u also must accept magic to be true because that means things can pop up into existence without any cause. How stupid are u guys to believe in God, u might as well believe in magic while your at it.

 

[Amk]

@Amk @Bundasliga everytime u say allah has no pre-existing cause and can exist, u also must accept magic to be true because that means things can pop up into existence without any cause. How stupid are u guys to believe in God, u might as well believe in magic while your at it.

do u believe in magic?

 

[Hargeysa]

Kinda unrelated, but @DR OSMAN , what's your science background?

 

[Amk]

Kinda unrelated, but @DR OSMAN , what's your science background?

I think he has a degree at the university of timbuktu with a PHD in suugo scientfic nuclear medicine

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Amk I believe that energy always existed from the beginning and is a fundamental universal law and observed in everything that exist, nothing exists in my book that isn't a form of energy as energy can transform but not be destroyed. Similar to how human body decays into bones and then soil, it becomes another energy form but it's never destroyed or disappears.

Magic is when u believe things pop out of nowhere into existence, I don't hold that for the universe as energy is the origins of all the universe and if you ask 'what came before energy' that's stupid and and shows your own misunderstanding becuz the law of energy is 'it has no beginning or end'. Energy existed before the known universe and it was condensed energy that created the space-time to expand.

@Hargeysa I am god rejector, I don't believe that they're is this mythological creature watching billions of people and testing them and then speaking to them thru prophets, that reminds me of some mad man trying to control ppl with threats of mythological power such as hell loooooooooooool. Grown ass man believing in such children stories yet think they know science is even more hilarious

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hargeysa @Amk is a grown ass man who believes in mythological creatures and then wants me to take his science serious? at least I don't hold onto mythological creatures and bed-time stories.

 

[Amk]

@Amk I believe that energy always existed from the beginning and is a fundamental universal law and observed in everything that exist, nothing exists in my book that isn't a form of energy as energy can transform but not be destroyed. Similar to how human body decays into bones and then soil, it becomes another energy form but it's never destroyed or disappears.

Magic is when u believe things pop out of nowhere into existence, I don't hold that for the universe as energy is the origins of all the universe and if you ask 'what came before energy' that's stupid and and shows your own misunderstanding becuz the law of energy is 'it has no beginning or end'. Energy existed before the known universe and it was condensed energy that created the space-time to expand.

@Hargeysa I am god rejector, I don't believe that they're is this mythological creature watching billions of people and testing them and then speaking to them thru prophets, that reminds me of some mad man trying to control ppl with threats of mythological power such as hell loooooooooooool. Grown ass man believing in such children stories yet think they know science is even more hilarious

Why cant I just say God exists forever then just like u say energy exists forever

 

[Amk]

@Amk I believe that energy always existed from the beginning and is a fundamental universal law and observed in everything that exist, nothing exists in my book that isn't a form of energy as energy can transform but not be destroyed. Similar to how human body decays into bones and then soil, it becomes another energy form but it's never destroyed or disappears.

Magic is when u believe things pop out of nowhere into existence, I don't hold that for the universe as energy is the origins of all the universe and if you ask 'what came before energy' that's stupid and and shows your own misunderstanding becuz the law of energy is 'it has no beginning or end'. Energy existed before the known universe and it was condensed energy that created the space-time to expand.

@Hargeysa I am god rejector, I don't believe that they're is this mythological creature watching billions of people and testing them and then speaking to them thru prophets, that reminds me of some mad man trying to control ppl with threats of mythological power such as hell loooooooooooool. Grown ass man believing in such children stories yet think they know science is even more hilarious

Does energy exist independently of anything else?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Why cant I just say God exists forever then just like u say energy exists forever

U dumb kunt, energy isn't intelligent designer, it's only a universal compound, once the universe caves in on itself, it will return back to similar early archaic energy and where life as we know it won't exist but energy will. Just cause energy exists forever, doesn't mean they're is a god. Energy isn't god.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Amk energy is like a balloon, when u breath in it, it expands right? well sooner or later that balloon will collapse either thru a 'tear' equivalent to a massive black hole or it will expand to a point it caves back on itself like a balloon will cave on itself if you put to much air in it. Will the ballon disappear no it will still have remnants left but the functions of balloon will end. The functions of the universe will be no more once we reach that stage, energy will exist in archaic form like a destroyed balloon still exists but it's not functional anymore.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Amk forget science you god damn mythological creature believer, why do u believe out of billions of stars that this one star(our sun) among a galaxy of star which means trillions of planet is being watched over by a mythological creature looooooooooool. Our 1 sun among all them billions of suns which hold trillions of planets n moons is apparantely important in your eyes, that's when i adopt nihilism and realize there is nothing important of us.

 

[Hargeysa]

@Hargeysa @Amk is a grown ass man who believes in mythological creatures and then wants me to take his science serious? at least I don't hold onto mythological creatures and bed-time stories.

I don't think Science and religion are mutually exclusive tbh.

The thing I like about science is that it's a process. You can use the scientific method to come up with a conclusion that best fits the data. If new evidence emerges, you re-assess.

But science isn't a religion - which is the best thing about it.

Science will never answer whether there's a god or not. How do you set up that experiment? How do you test the hypothesis?

Ultimately, it's up to you to choose what you believe in. I don't think there's any way of using 'logic' to come to the correct conclusion wrt belief.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hargeysa u can use 'reasoning' to either confirm or dismiss religion or apply probability rates. I mean look at this reasoning experiment. Our sun is 1 star among billions, each star has a galaxy of planets/moons, why in the world is this 1 planet under this 1 star among trillions of planets/moons and billions of stars important? that's the first reasoning that suggest nihilism is far more probable then religion.

Then they're is plenty of other reasoning tests u can apply to confirm or dismiss. For example if Islam is true why do they not tolerate other religions or atheists yet they are tolerated by other religions and atheists. I see other religions n atheists being far more credible as they are not in fear. Islam only exists when it has nothing to challenge it and once something does challenge it, they ban it or kill you over such silly mythological beliefs. This can only mean it's man made most likely and requires human intervention, the god aspect of it must be made up or why do they rely on jihadists and all them clowns to defend islam why can't allah?

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hargeysa I myself hold onto a higher power but not 'gods' or religion which I deem as mythology allah is no different to me then zeus or oden. I see religion abusing this concept of a higher power for their own 'ends'. Similar to democracy just because democracy is badly functioning in Africa/Mid-east it doesn't mean I deny democracy, they're are other places where it works just fine.

That's how I see my higher power belief, just because religion raped it with their own agendas and created books out of it and rituals and subsequent human control, I step aside and don't conform to that sort of higher power belief n prefer being atheist then follow that crap.

 

[Hargeysa]

@Hargeysa u can use 'reasoning' to either confirm or dismiss religion or apply probability rates. I mean look at this reasoning experiment. Our sun is 1 star among billions, each star has a galaxy of planets/moons, why in the world is this 1 planet under this 1 star among trillions of planets/moons and billions of stars important? that's the first reasoning that suggest nihilism is far more probable then religion.

Ah, the Drake equation? I love it, but it makes way too many assumptions. There's too many parameters we simply don't know yet (fraction of planets that develop life, and fraction of planets that develop intelligent life). Until we find out these parameters, the equation is useless. At the moment, there's no proof of life outside of our planet.

Then they're is plenty of other reasoning tests u can apply to confirm or dismiss. For example if Islam is true why do they not tolerate other religions or atheists yet they are tolerated by other religions and atheists. I see other religions n atheists being far more credible as they are not in fear. Islam only exists when it has nothing to challenge it and once something does challenge it, they ban it or kill you over such silly mythological beliefs. This can only mean it's man made most likely and requires human intervention, the god aspect of it must be made up or why do they rely on jihadists and all them clowns to defend islam why can't allah?

This is subjective reasoning, but i do agree with you. Muslims should absolutely be more tolerant to other beliefs.

@Hargeysa I myself hold onto a higher power but not 'gods' or religion which I deem as mythology allah is no different to me then zeus or oden. I see religion abusing this concept of a higher power for their own 'ends'. Similar to democracy just because democracy is badly functioning in Africa/Mid-east it doesn't mean I deny democracy, they're are other places where it works just fine.

That's how I see my higher power belief, just because religion raped it with their own agendas and created books out of it and rituals and subsequent human control, I step aside and don't conform to that sort of higher power belief n prefer being atheist then follow that crap.

Fair enough, you're entitled to your view.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hargeysa when I say higher power don't translate that to be 'powerful god and judgement day' nonsense, what I mean by a higher power is something beyond human comprehension. Just because a baby is less intelligent doesn't mean we are their masters right, I see this higher power in a similar sense, just because we can't comprehend such a thing doesn't mean I have to become a slave to it and worship it all day nor do I accept they get involved in human affairs like judging and so forth.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Hargeysa don't u ever wonder why Islam has to put on a 'public' show of their faith like praying, fasting, and doing other godly things, they are always concerned with 'public image' this is one of the first 'doubts' of Islam entered my heart and it just became larger and larger as I saw more inconsistencies such as why are they the poorest and dumbest nation on earth and the only unique thing different is their Islam, this made me not accept Islam. Infact I think it's detrimental to human development and should be treated as child abuse.

We send our kids to madrassah at age 5 till 12 to brainwash them early on, they are so scared of independent thinking they are instilling this mythological belief in them early on which is why they are failing in the areas in life that count, that alone should worry you.

I want them learning mathamatics, science, engineering, medicine, technology. If they devoted such time like they do to madrassahs to these areas, we would be a leading nation today.

 

[Bundasliga]

@Bundasliga You and the muslims are the one who rejects the universe didn't pop up on it's own yet on the same hand u say allah popped up on his own into existence. This fundamental logical fallacy is what makes Islam dying. If allah can exist without pre-existing cause, so why reject the same quality for the universe unless of course you are being 2-face. The issue isn't about creator/creation as I don't believe in that. The issue is can one 'exist' without pre-existing cause and u say 'yes for allah but no for everything else' and I say 'no for everything including allah' as I am consistent that existence requires a pre-existing cause. If Allah exists he must have a cause or else magic is true.

I told you imbecile 10 times we don't believe Allah popped into existence .
Why you dodging & twisting my points strawmen after strawmen.

The universe didn't existed before the big bang & one day will stop to exist.

I already answered the point before

1.Everything that began to exist has a cause
2. The universe began to exist therefore it has a cause .

"The basic premises of all of these arguments involve the concept of causation. The conclusion of these arguments is that there exists a first cause (for whichever group of things it is being argued has a cause), subsequently deemed to be God"

I am confident there is no god so I don't waste my time with prayers n fasting and fearing death. I am free mentally and strutt like ric flair and embrace 'nihilism' as my values

Nihilism means no values lol

 

[Bundasliga]

I believe that energy always existed from the beginning and is a fundamental universal law and observed

Now switch energy with God

myself hold onto a higher power

Mashallah

what I mean by a higher power is something beyond human comprehension.

Another definition of God

 

[Amk]

@DR OSMAN You have strawmanned this whole conversation. Due to ur idiocrisy, I will not be further debating you.
All energy was created, energy is limited, and anything limited cannot be reliant on itself, Therefore energy cannot be self reliant.
Energy is subject to time, which means energy began, something which always existed cannot begin to exist
Energy constantly changes and transfers forms, nothing which is consistent and lasts forever changes, If energy changes, it is subject to something else which is changing it, it does not change itself as energy has no will/conciousness
If Energy has no will, then it has no control, and is therefore not in control of itself, If it is not in control of itself, it cannot be "God", it cannot be self reliant, it cannot be fundamental, something which is fundamental does not change and is how it is, energy is reliant on something else
Energy is limited to this tangible universe as u mentioned, which means it is bound by limits, and therefore cannot be unlimited and be forever, if energy was how u say it is, it would be infinite, but it isnt, u can limit energy
Energy can be broken down into infinitely smaller parts, anything that can be broken down, cannot be fundamental, as it is reliant on smaller fundamental parts.

All of these disprove ur theory that energy is God.
Allah is the one true God and u have lied agaisnt him.
You are a mushrik, believe the universe is God, and deny Allah.
Ur no better than people who worship rocks, literally u are as stupid as them.