"Why I am not an atheist"

[Amk]

@Bundasliga just like u can't believe the world is natural and has no creator, I can't believe allah popped out of nowhere into existence without a creator. Just like I reject adam n eve popped out of nowhere, I also look at allah and say BULLSHIT u exist without pre-existing cause. Or else magic is true if allah without a cause is true.

U pray to something that doesn't respond to your prayers because he is man made mythology, that's the truth and it hurts you cause u want a bed time story like a kid about death and the grave. You are so scared of death you falled into a 7th century mythological movement. Your god don't exist and u will die and turn to soil, does that hurt u waryaa? no heaven no hell all children stories weeye waxasi.

Your argument refutes atheism aswell you know that right?
You are doing the exact same thing you are accusing him of.
The universe is your God, Your believe the universe has no cause and always existed and exists by itself. You believe that nothing means anything and everything is random and has no reason or purpose bc nothing acc has a cause.
You live your entire life with a purpose but accept the fact that life has no purpose.
You are living in your own lie bc the thought that nothing means anything is too depressing to let you sleep at night
You live in a fairy tale that life means anything and is worth living.

 

[Bundasliga]

@DR OSMAN
Read what I said & debunk it .
Stop being emotionally & think before you use strawman after strawman.

 

[Omar del Sur]

@DR OSMAN I am not interested in debating you. I already had a debate with you a while back and if anyone would like to read they can read it here https://www.somalispot.com/threads/dr-osman-debate.97909/

 

[Keep it a boqol]

@DR OSMAN lmao if you're so offended by the idea of an uncreated creator where did we come from? or do you have blind faith that science will find out?

 

[Sheikh Google]

This thread is utter nonsense y'all will not convince the other so just keep it moving everyone. Otherwise it just becomes a my dad is bigger than your dad situation.

 

[DR OSMAN]

This thread is utter nonsense y'all will not convince the other so just keep it moving everyone. Otherwise it just becomes a my dad is bigger than your dad situation.

That's what I am saying to these mythological followers. Just like they can't accept this world has no purpose and is a random collection of events within physical and natural constructs, I can't accept a god or adam n eve that popped out of nowhere with no pre-existing cause or else I wud need to accept magic.

 

[Bundasliga]

That's what I am saying to these mythological followers. Just like they can't accept this world has no purpose and is a random collection of events within physical and natural constructs, I can't accept a god or adam n eve that popped out of nowhere with no pre-existing cause or else I wud need to accept magic.

You got rekt that's what happened & dont act like @Sheikh Google is agreeing with you ,he's atheist himself & even he knows how TRASH you was .
DR strawmen

 

[Juke]

How is it scientific to surround yourself in a bubble of muslims to deny atheism. That's confirmation bias. I called you out on many topics regarding Islam and u never responded @Omar del Sur

Keep hiding out among like-minded ppl and telling yourselves mythologies.

Walaal I hope you know Science is the study of the natural, observable world. They're not interested in the supernatural and unseen. Nor does science espouse atheism, the stance of science is agnosticism, right in line with the scientific method.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Walaal I hope you know Science is the study of the natural, observable world. They're not interested in the supernatural and unseen. Nor does science espouse atheism, the stance of science is agnosticism, right in line with the scientific method.

Creationism is psuedo-science at best, Allah apparently pops out of nowhere like Magic lol, this is very scientific to muslims, why not believe in magic also lol. It's not wrong to reject magic and things existing outside the space-time and the physical laws. They think they're is this other 'existence' outside the known universe, these guys are lunatics sxb.

They can't put Allah in space-time settings because they're is no evidence for him in it and it also means he will eventually die also. So what they do is create another 'existence' outside space-time, now that itself means Allah cannot exist becuz to exist you need to be within space-time and under the laws of physics. Anything outside these parameters means 'no existence' and that's where they're allah is, in a non-existent vacuum looooooool. Why? becuz it's all mythologies and magic what they believe

 

[Amk]

That's what I am saying to these mythological followers. Just like they can't accept this world has no purpose and is a random collection of events within physical and natural constructs, I can't accept a god or adam n eve that popped out of nowhere with no pre-existing cause or else I wud need to accept magic.

If this world has no purpose than so does this conversation so why r u still talking

 

[Amk]

Creationism is psuedo-science at best, Allah apparently pops out of nowhere like Magic lol, this is very scientific to muslims, why not believe in magic also lol. It's not wrong to reject magic and things existing outside the space-time and the physical laws. They think they're is this other 'existence' outside the known universe, these guys are lunatics sxb.

They can't put Allah in space-time settings because they're is no evidence for him in it and it also means he will eventually die also. So what they do is create another 'existence' outside space-time, now that itself means Allah cannot exist becuz to exist you need to be within space-time and under the laws of physics. Anything outside these parameters means 'no existence' and that's where they're allah is, in a non-existent vacuum looooooool. Why? becuz it's all mythologies and magic what they believe

That BS you donot need to be in th parametes of time and space and under the laws of physics to exist

 

[Juke]

Creationism is psuedo-science at best, Allah apparently pops out of nowhere like Magic lol, this is very scientific to muslims, why not believe in magic also lol. It's not wrong to reject magic and things existing outside the space-time and the physical laws. They think they're is this other 'existence' outside the known universe, these guys are lunatics sxb.

They can't put Allah in space-time settings because they're is no evidence for him in it and it also means he will eventually die also. So what they do is create another 'existence' outside space-time, now that itself means Allah cannot exist becuz to exist you need to be within space-time and under the laws of physics. Anything outside these parameters means 'no existence' and that's where they're allah is, in a non-existent vacuum looooooool. Why? becuz it's all mythologies and magic what they believe

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[DR OSMAN]

That BS you donot need to be in th parametes of time and space and under the laws of physics to exist

Can u show any demonstration where something can exist outside the universe? since your allah is outside the known universe, he is in a plane of non-existence. Answer me god dammit, wud u believe that I can exist without pre-existing cause, do u think I just popped out of nowhere like magic? if u don't accept magic why u accept your god can do magic and defy space-time and all the physical laws needed for existence?

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Jacko Everything u spewed about dark matter is rubbish. Dark matter n energy can be observed on the effects it has on established laws of physics. Do I need to be 'present n observing' a murder scene to deduce a murder has happened? of course not, why? thru evidence gathering i can deduce a murder has happened? dark matter/energy exist within time-space dimension, where-as your saying your allah exists outside time-space and outside time-space their is no life or existence which makes your god 'non existent' so to be speak.

I can say with confidence 'magic is false' and things don't pop up into existence without following established physical laws. Your allah exists without any cause and apparently popped out of nowhere to create the universe. For this I can say with confidence your religion is mythology.

 

[Juke]

@Jacko Everything u spewed about dark matter is rubbish. Dark matter n energy can be observed on the effects it has on established laws of physics. Do I need to be 'present n observing' a murder scene to deduce a murder has happened? of course not, why? thru evidence gathering i can deduce a murder has happened? dark matter/energy exist within time-space dimension, where-as your saying your allah exists outside time-space and outside time-space their is no life or existence which makes your god 'non existent' so to be speak.

I can say with confidence 'magic is false' and things don't pop up into existence without following established physical laws. Your allah exists without any cause and apparently popped out of nowhere to create the universe. For this I can say with confidence your religion is mythology.

Bro they literally can't be observed by established laws of physics. They're ad hoc crutches devised to save conventionally agreed upon laws of physics once observed reality didn't meet expectations. Unfalsifiable and unobservable. Absolutely nothing can observe dark energy. Dark matter is literally proposed extra invisible gravity lol and as I mentioned none of the candidate subatomic particles proposed have been observed to exist. You skipped unobservable quantum entanglement communication, gonna deny that too?

 

[Amk]

Can u show any demonstration where something can exist outside the universe? since your allah is outside the known universe, he is in a plane of non-existence. Answer me god dammit, wud u believe that I can exist without pre-existing cause, do u think I just popped out of nowhere like magic? if u don't accept magic why u accept your god can do magic and defy space-time and all the physical laws needed for existence?

The burden of proof lies on the one who makes the claim, you made the claim that it is impossible for something to exist outside of this tangible universe, now substantiate your claim.

If God had a cause he wouldn't be God, that's not a proper question. Its like saying
Why doesn't a square have three sides? or
How does a car fly? Or
How do you drink ice?
You cannot exist without a preexisting cause because you are
1.Limited
2.Subject to time
3.Began to exist
4.Rely on something else to exist
5.Not in control of whether you exist or not
Everyone of these necessitates you must have a cause which allowed you to exist.
Who said you need space-time and physical laws for existence.
Thats like me living in a black and white room for my entire life, then someone I trust tells me, there are different colours than black and white outside of this room.
Then the person saying, well if you cannot prove to me within my room that there are other colours then there are no such thing as other colours.
You demonstrate a logical fallacy from multiple angles
1.Because you cannot observe something, it is impossible to exist. Your own experience is the determiner of truth. If you were blind, then sight would not exist according to your logic
2.You cannot observe existence outside of our existence as the only way to observe is to use this existence to observe it, its logically impossible. You cannot use this existence to observe something outside of this existence. Its like saying, you must prove to me that sound exists through seeing it with glasses. Makes 0 sense
3.If you could observe something outside this tangible universe that would make it part of this tangible universe, so by definition you failed to observe anything outside of this

You can by deduction deduce that there must be something outside of this universe, otherwise this universe would cease to exist.
If u see a water in the shape of a cup, u will always assume it is in a glass, as everything indicates to that. Your answer to me is, "BC thats what water does. it doesnt need anything"

But lets say, I say you are right.
By your logic, you believe in magic aswell.
You-"Universe is random has no cause and is pointless"
Me-"But that would mean the universe came to exist out of magic"
You-"But you believe God came out of magic"
Me-"But you believe the exact same thing about this universe theres no difference between me and you. You believe universe is God, I believe theres a God outside this universe. My conclusion is more logical"

 

[Boujie]

If something that is uncreated created something, why can't creation be uncreated? u don't see the logical flaw but many do. U move the goalpost u say 'everything has a creator' except your GOD, why can't atheist say the same thing also since you make exceptions, why can't atheist?

Allah = Something. You argue something needs a creator. Why is allah 'exempt' to the rule since he is something after all or is he 'nothing'? That's the problem with 'creator' theory, it a never-ending 'creator' sequence, since anything that's exists will need a creator and that's why this theory is pseudo-science and illogical.

Even a kid will look at u and say your moving the goal-post.

Muslim: God created everything
Kid: If god created everything, who created God?
Muslim: Oh no-one created god.
Kid: If noone created god and everything needs a creator, then god must not exist since it needs a creator also. This will then mean who created that creator and the creator theory is now in psuedo-science and mythology units in university, it's not treated as a real subject.

Take the Dr. out of your name cus you sound like an absolute idiot

 

[Bundasliga]

Creationism is psuedo-science at best, Allah apparently pops out of nowhere like Magic lol, this is very scientific to muslims, why not believe in magic also lol. It's not wrong to reject magic and things existing outside the space-time and the physical laws. They think they're is this other 'existence' outside the known universe, these guys are lunatics sxb.

They can't put Allah in space-time settings because they're is no evidence for him in it and it also means he will eventually die also. So what they do is create another 'existence' outside space-time, now that itself means Allah cannot exist becuz to exist you need to be within space-time and under the laws of physics. Anything outside these parameters means 'no existence' and that's where they're allah is, in a non-existent vacuum looooooool. Why? becuz it's all mythologies and magic what they believe

Bring 1 major Muslim philosopher who believes God came out of nowhere.
You call yourself ex muslim ,but don't even understand the basic concepts of islam.


We don't put Allah in space-time settings ,because we don't believe in a God that's limited by space & time settings.

 

[Bundasliga]

Can u show any demonstration where something can exist outside the universe? since your allah is outside the known universe, he is in a plane of non-existence. Answer me god dammit, wud u believe that I can exist without pre-existing cause, do u think I just popped out of nowhere like magic? if u don't accept magic why u accept your god can do magic and defy space-time and all the physical laws needed for existence?

How you want evidence for something that's unreachable with the scientific methods?

Btw what's the pre-existing cause for the universe ,since you agree something can't pop into existence by itself

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Bundasliga You and the muslims are the one who rejects the universe didn't pop up on it's own yet on the same hand u say allah popped up on his own into existence. This fundamental logical fallacy is what makes Islam dying. If allah can exist without pre-existing cause, so why reject the same quality for the universe unless of course you are being 2-face. The issue isn't about creator/creation as I don't believe in that. The issue is can one 'exist' without pre-existing cause and u say 'yes for allah but no for everything else' and I say 'no for everything including allah' as I am consistent that existence requires a pre-existing cause. If Allah exists he must have a cause or else magic is true.

@Amk I am confident there is no god so I don't waste my time with prayers n fasting and fearing death. I am free mentally and strutt like ric flair and embrace 'nihilism' as my values.