Why do young Somalis in the west deny the Isaaq genocide but have unlimited concern for Gaza and the Sudan?

[Colonelcfs]

Snm massacred Ogadens in refugee camps what would you call that

 

[3LetterzMM]

The issue at hand is this case dear lads why do we Somalis grow uncomfortable whenever the Isaaq speak of their genocide, however tragic it may be? Why is our immediate response to resort to whataboutism to bring up the suffering of the Rahanweyn, the Gadabuursi, or the Majeerteen? This tendency is precisely what is wrong.


I consider myself one of the staunchest opponents of Somaliland’s independence. I firmly believe that our economy, our security, our markets indeed, our very survival are best safeguarded through unity as one nation. Yet, I must commend Somaliland for its free elections, for reconciling its clans, and for the establishment of the Guurti. These are achievements worthy of respect indeed and that we can learn from in the broader Somali context.


However, we must not feel uneasy when the subject of the Isaaq genocide arises. I have never witnessed Somalilanders, unprovoked, claim that other atrocities are of lesser importance. So why is it that we respond defensively, deflecting with comparisons whenever this painful chapter is mentioned?


If we truly wish to reconcile our past with our future, this is a cornerstone issue that must be confronted openly and honestly. No one is saying that Siad Barre himself or any single clan alone was responsible; it was the regime, a state machinery that committed those crimes. Therefore, why do we, as Somalis, find it so difficult to face this truth without discomfort? xaasha somali sidan ku ma badbaadi karto

We bring up those other tragedies because isaaq need to take notes from those groups. You see how they don’t walk around with a victim mindset constantly dwelling on the past that’s because it’s no good and it’s counter productive. It’s one thing to bring it up and acknowledge it but when something like that is a big part of your identity people will perceive you as weak.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

More Isaaqs died than in Gaza and Sudan??

Bros definitely trolling and trying to rile ppl up

 

[Throughbred]

SNM we're bunch of terrorists , they used to attack innocent civilians .

 

[Jaffar]

We bring up those other tragedies because isaaq need to take notes from those groups. You see how they don’t walk around with a victim mindset constantly dwelling on the past that’s because it’s no good and it’s counter productive. It’s one thing to bring it up and acknowledge it but when something like that is a big part of your identity people will perceive you as weak.

Do you not value humanlife

 

[Nyaaw]

It didn’t happen.

Firstly no one denies it and secondly the genocide in Sudan and Palestine are happening as we speak the Hargeisa bombings was back inda 80s lastly this shyt gets brought up by isaaqs all the time it’s their main talking point when they explain why they want independence open up ur ears and you’ll hear people talking about it that shit honestly gets too much attention and here you are saying no one mentions it. The real question is why don’t Somalis ever have a conversation about the atrocities that happened to Rahanweyn Hawiye and MJ tons of them also got killed but I never hear Somalis talk about that. Your just tryna stir shit up and it’s so obvious bro at least try to be more discreet about it next time.

 

[reer]

I literally gave an example of how a Somali region achieved this.

Its not virtue signaling its a study that surveyed people from across Somalia and they expressed that desire for social reconciliation.

name me a few major warlords who brutalized rival clans. theres a good chance they have significant support from their own clans for defending their own clans.

 

[Nyaaw]

The U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum and Genocide Watch also list the Isaaq genocide as one of Africa’s major 20th-century genocides.

i think it was pretty much a genocide i hate to see it i am actually admire president siad barre for his reign but this is where he messed up and this is what broke up our country. he attacked the entire population of the north , what were u expecting if u bomb a city such as hargeisa, I think what makes the isaaq gencoide so awfull it really damaged the cohesion of the somali state for the next decades. there is no repairing. and ur not helping it by deneying it we can move forward once we accept it appoligse and move foward and build a nation again., the digil miriifle starvation was bad also , but that was done by warlords how tragic it may be , also aideed didn intend to do all of this how bad it was to withhold aid. but intend is important in genocide.i read reports the somali fighter jets were chasing refugees all the way inside ethiopia and bombing them there was a clear target if you ask me. if this war never happened somalia would be a great nation today and every one ws happy.

No, he attacked isaaq's and only isaaq's. Isaaq's are NOT the only clan residing in the north and using 'isaaq' and 'north' interchangeably only serves to make you seem dumb thus causing others to dismiss your opinions. It's also disrespectful to non Isaaq northerners.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Its clearly due to qabyalaad and kids have been poisoned by their qabiilist parents, primarily in America.

More Isaaqs died than in Gaza and Sudan. Hargeisa and Burco were close to 100% destroyed. Not only is there no regret for it happening but people deny it even happened.

I think the Somalianlanders online are motivated to hit back and work with the rightwing due to this denial. Imagine how different the environment would be if Somalians were just honest and regretful about the past and move forward.

If u said raxanweyne genocide it would’ve been believable

 

[3LetterzMM]

He’s clearly trolling tryna ragebait nighas idk why ur taking him serious

Do you not value humanlife

I’m confused what about my post makes you think I don’t value human life. Are the events of 88 a tragedy yes but with that being said this happened almost 40yrs ago surely at some point you have to move on and look towards the future instead of dwelling on the past.

 

[Nyaaw]

He’s clearly trolling tryna ragebait nighas idk why ur taking him serious

I’m confused what about my post makes you think I don’t value human life. Are the events of 88 a tragedy yes but with that being said this happened almost 40yrs ago surely at some point you have to move on and look towards the future instead of dwelling on the past.

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https://x.com/2890Moshark2/status/1954378500913180800
https://x.com/MostHatedCadcad/status/1966326727547990163
Even if he is trolling, the viewpoint he has expressed is very common.

 

[Jaffar]

He’s clearly trolling tryna ragebait nighas idk why ur taking him serious

I’m confused what about my post makes you think I don’t value human life. Are the events of 88 a tragedy yes but with that being said this happened almost 40yrs ago surely at some point you have to move on and look towards the future instead of dwelling on the past.

we have to make sure that it never happens ever again or else we are all gone and we will never come back. so we cant forget the victims not only the one in Somaliland but the one in somalia proper to have this discussion we need to have proper reconcalition if we dont have that its still a chaper that isnt going to close it self , do you think it will just fade away if we just stop talking about it i dont think so we need to remmember people that died the people these were humans our countrymen

 

[Aurelian]

Its clearly due to qabyalaad and kids have been poisoned by their qabiilist parents, primarily in America.

More Isaaqs died than in Gaza and Sudan. Hargeisa and Burco were close to 100% destroyed. Not only is there no regret for it happening but people deny it even happened.

I think the Somalianlanders online are motivated to hit back and work with the rightwing due to this denial. Imagine how different the environment would be if Somalians were just honest and regretful about the past and move forward.

We don't deny it

 

[Idilinaa]

name me a few major warlords who brutalized rival clans. theres a good chance they have significant support from their own clans for defending their own clans.

The warlords of the mid-to-late 1990s and early 2000s never had genuine clan support. They only claimed clan loyalties to legitimize their actions, but most ordinary people opposed them. Their real power came from foreign financial backing, weapons supplies, and militias made up largely of displaced youth or orphans who were easily recruited or coerced.


These conflicts weren’t true clan wars , they were political and armed struggles driven by personal ambition and competition over resources, not by collective clan interests.

 

[Vacelere]

The issue at hand is this case dear lads why do we Somalis grow uncomfortable whenever the Isaaq speak of their genocide, however tragic it may be? Why is our immediate response to resort to whataboutism to bring up the suffering of the Rahanweyn, the Gadabuursi, or the Majeerteen? This tendency is precisely what is wrong.


I consider myself one of the staunchest opponents of Somaliland’s independence. I firmly believe that our economy, our security, our markets indeed, our very survival are best safeguarded through unity as one nation. Yet, I must commend Somaliland for its free elections, for reconciling its clans, and for the establishment of the Guurti. These are achievements worthy of respect indeed and that we can learn from in the broader Somali context.


However, we must not feel uneasy when the subject of the Isaaq genocide arises. I have never witnessed Somalilanders, unprovoked, claim that other atrocities are of lesser importance. So why is it that we respond defensively, deflecting with comparisons whenever this painful chapter is mentioned?


If we truly wish to reconcile our past with our future, this is a cornerstone issue that must be confronted openly and honestly. No one is saying that Siad Barre himself or any single clan alone was responsible; it was the regime, a state machinery that committed those crimes. Therefore, why do we, as Somalis, find it so difficult to face this truth without discomfort? xaasha somali sidan ku ma badbaadi karto

First of all I may Allah bless you for your honesty.

The isaaq genocide is just like any other genocide that happened throughout post 1990s but the thing which separate it from the rest is that certain people are using it to break away from Somalia.

Wallahi I have sympathy for them but when you use your people suffering for you political agenda it's you who should feel ashamed.

Like I said before isaaq genocide is just like any genocide now also from the other side certain people also just because they hate isaaqis they deny it which is also a shameful thing.

Is the suffering of isaaqi greater than other somalis?

No

Is denying it's existence right?

No

Finally is bringing this again and again beneficial for the coming generation?

Also no because we need to forget the past and look forward to unite the people.

BTW happy to meet fellow unionist

 

[Garaad Awal]

We don’t want them to care. We already know Jabartis & the barely Somali H*tus are our eternal enemies. This is a hostility that will remain till the day of judgement. Only dumb Isaaqs marry or interact with those two communities

 

[Garaad Awal]

This is what i mean somalis have selective mind yes sure the Gadabuursi to were massacared in dila no one saying that the gadabuursi shouldnt griev for the death of their kin , this how ever doesnt take away that the barre regime committed serious crimes against the people of Hargeisa one is not worse then the other, somalis have this selective mind , reer hebel wala dilay ana wala ii dilay , , we should make this about , what aboutism.

Samarone were armed by Barre and started killing Habar Awal civilians. We put those who did on an early express train to meet their Lord

 

[Garaad Awal]

Snm massacred Ogadens in refugee camps what would you call that

WSLF armed by Barre were massacring Isaaq civilians in Ethiopia. SNM in Ethiopia battled and defeated f*knot Jabarti WSLF and also put them on an express train ride to meet their lord. Isaaq know how to fight honourably unlike the Jabarti. The Jabarti is a savage who knows no religion or morals.

 

[Bari]

The Isaaq Genocide happened over a decade before I was born; i have the same amount of sympathy with any tragedy that occurred to innocent Muslims prior to me being alive. The genocide in Palestine and Sudan is happening right now whilst I am alive and happen to be a fully functioning adult; therefore, my attention currently is directed to them as my Islamic kin.

 

[Riftvalley]

Its clearly due to qabyalaad and kids have been poisoned by their qabiilist parents, primarily in America.

More Isaaqs died than in Gaza and Sudan. Hargeisa and Burco were close to 100% destroyed. Not only is there no regret for it happening but people deny it even happened.

I think the Somalianlanders online are motivated to hit back and work with the rightwing due to this denial. Imagine how different the environment would be if Somalians were just honest and regretful about the past and move forward.

Israel has fought the most brutal counter insurgency war in history (in a confined area). This is why I am sceptical of the 200k figure thrown around by SL supporters. Israelis have killed around 70k people with the most potent weapons known to man. I don’t think it was possible to kill 200k in the 80s when most people fled into Ethiopia. I don’t think Burco was that urbanised at the time. I don’t believe there was Tutsi style genocide against Isaaqs. That said, I am happy to change my mind if people have links and independent studies on the numbers.

Still, that doesn’t make the actions of the Somali army and some members of militias rights in terms of what they did to some of the civilian populations.Some of my sub clan elders actually refused to fight against the against Isaaqs on behalf of Siad Bare. The idea that every Darood on earth enlisted to fight Isaaqs isn’t really true.

The SNM is also accused of killing civilians and working with Ethiopian generals. It is a sensitive topic. One be should be wary of denying the crimes committed against the Isaaq community. The other should also know that people have right to question SL separatist black Zionist project and the overall rosy picture they like give of the SNM (black Ethiopian-backed Zionist).

There is also disingenuous nature to this question. You are infantilising the Israeli supporters from the Isaaq community and their bum licking of Israel. Courting a state committing genocide because you were once killed by your state is one of the retarded things I have heard in a long time.