Why do Muslims follow the hadith more than the actual Quran?

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As a Muslim we were told to only follow the Quran and it has all the answers!
Like example the 5 pillars of islam are from the hadith but people hold it to the highest.

Maxa waye? All Muslims nowadays have become brainwashed o_O
 
Many hadiths in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim are bogus. They contradict the Quran, science, and reason. They claim Allah looks like a human among other blasphemies. Scholars have been exposing the fraudulent hadith industry since Imam Abu Hanifa, which is why Bukhari attacked the Imam.

Sheikh Atabek Shukurov, Israr Ahmed Khan, and others have written books on the subject of fake hadiths in sahih collections. A Google search for "errors in hadith" will turn up millions of hits.

The only hadiths that are legitimate are those about how to worship Allah. The rest are man made fairytales.
 
"Allaah created Adam in His image.” This does not imply resemblance or likeness.

What is meant, according to the scholars, is that Allaah created Adam with the ability to hear and see, and to speak when he wants. These are also attributes of Allaah, for He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing, and He speaks when He wants, and He has a Face, may He be glorified and exalted.

But it does not mean that there is any resemblance or likeness. Rather the image of Allaah is different from that of created beings. What is meant is that He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing, and He speaks when He wants, and He created Adam also able to hear and see, with a face and hands and feet. But man’s hearing is not like Allaah’s hearing, his seeing is not like Allaah’s seeing, his speaking is not like Allaah’s speaking. Rather Allaah has attributes that befit His majesty and might, and man has attributes that befit him, attributes that are finite and imperfect, whereas the attributes of Allaah are perfect, with no shortcomings, infinite and without end. Hence Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“There is nothing like Him, and He is the All‑Hearer, the All‑Seer”

[al-Shoora 42:11]

Another thing that will help to explain the meaning of this hadeeth is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The first group to enter Paradise will be in the image of the moon” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3245; Muslim, 2834.” What the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) meant here is that the first group will be in human form, but because of their purity, beauty and brightness of face they will look like the moon, so they are likened to the moon, but without resembling it.
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"Allaah created Adam in His image.” This does not imply resemblance or likeness.

What is meant, according to the scholars, is that Allaah created Adam with the ability to hear and see, and to speak when he wants. These are also attributes of Allaah, for He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing, and He speaks when He wants, and He has a Face, may He be glorified and exalted.

But it does not mean that there is any resemblance or likeness. Rather the image of Allaah is different from that of created beings. What is meant is that He is All-Hearing, All-Seeing, and He speaks when He wants, and He created Adam also able to hear and see, with a face and hands and feet. But man’s hearing is not like Allaah’s hearing, his seeing is not like Allaah’s seeing, his speaking is not like Allaah’s speaking. Rather Allaah has attributes that befit His majesty and might, and man has attributes that befit him, attributes that are finite and imperfect, whereas the attributes of Allaah are perfect, with no shortcomings, infinite and without end. Hence Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“There is nothing like Him, and He is the All‑Hearer, the All‑Seer”

[al-Shoora 42:11]

Another thing that will help to explain the meaning of this hadeeth is the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The first group to enter Paradise will be in the image of the moon” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3245; Muslim, 2834.” What the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) meant here is that the first group will be in human form, but because of their purity, beauty and brightness of face they will look like the moon, so they are likened to the moon, but without resembling it.
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You're right the hadith doesn't "imply" Adam looked like Allah. It says it explicitly and unambiguously.

Another hadith says that one should not hit a person's face because Allah made humans in his image. This is proof that it's talking about facial resemblance for otherwise the prohibition against hitting the face would make no sense.

That Saudi run website you posted is just evidence that Wahabbis hate the Quran which says that Allah does not look like his creation. That's the basic message of the Quran. Any hadith which contradicts the words of Allah is man made and falsely attributed to his Messenger (PBUH). Wahabbis have put Bukhari above Allah's revelation. Their "scholars" are deceivers and propagandists.
 

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As a Muslim we were told to only follow the Quran and it has all the answers!
Like example the 5 pillars of islam are from the hadith but people hold it to the highest.

Maxa waye? All Muslims nowadays have become brainwashed o_O

Thats a lie, as the Quran itself points us to not just follow its ayats, but to also follow the Sunnah/example of the Prophet Mohammed.
 
ok, thinking you know better than all of the people who have dedicated their lives studying islam is how you get led astray. You wouldnt think you had more knowledge in medicine than physicians, or people of the past who paved the way for modern medicine like hippocrates etc. Same thing with any other field that has its experts. Likewise, the 4 imams studied under the students of the sahaba themselves who loved the deen and the Prophet (saws) more than anyone. You go down a slippery slope once you start to deny the hadiths and sunnah. After all, most of history was transmitted orally before being written down. So what parts of islamic history will you deny next if hadith aren't reliable to you? If you can't trust muslims of the past with that, how can you entrust their integrity in spreading islam. I think you can see where I am going
 
As a Muslim we were told to only follow the Quran and it has all the answers!
Like example the 5 pillars of islam are from the hadith but people hold it to the highest.

Maxa waye? All Muslims nowadays have become brainwashed o_O


The Quran didn't come on its own but through the messenger, so it makes sense that he teaches the Quran and translates it into action for clarity where needed. That is where the prophet's authenticated sayings come in as the second most important religious instructions for a Muslim. The prophet implemented the Quran as a Muslim himself and advised Muslims on Islamic issues, so to follow his verbal direction that complements the Quran is part of Islam. That is the Idea of a prophet Duh.

Quran directs and mandates a Muslim to pray but doesn't teach how many rakca to pray. The prophet filled in the instructions and demonstrated prayers while his companions looked on in the Mosque. On another occasion he told a man who prayed next to him to repeat the prayer for he didn't do it right. When the man informed the prophet that he did his best and didn't know how to do the prayer better than he performed, the prophet stood up and verbally took the man through how to pray.

So you see saxib, there is no accurate prayer methods without the prophet's verbal teachings of how to do them. Just one example out of many where the prophet's input clarifies what the Quran tells Muslims to do as Muslims.


How would you pray if you were objecting to the prophet's teachings about prayer? Something every Muslim has to accept to perform as part of their Faith?

As long as the hadeeth does not contradict a Quranic verse, is authenticated, there would be no issue. Quran is first, Hadeeth second, the two make up Islam.

And science is not an infallible source btw. So don't go there. Most of what is alleged on propagandist websites about science contradicting Islam is willfully misleading or total misunderstanding of the Quran itself on the part of people who ran these websites.
 
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The Quran didn't come on its own but through the messenger, so it makes sense that he teaches the Quran and translates it into action for clarity where needed. That is where the prophet's authenticated sayings come in as the second most important religious instructions for a Muslim. The prophet implemented the Quran as a Muslim himself and advised Muslims on Islamic issues, so to follow his verbal direction that complements the Quran is part of Islam. That is the Idea of a prophet Duh.

Quran directs and mandates a Muslim to pray but doesn't teach how many rakca to pray. The prophet filled in the instructions and demonstrated prayers while his companions looked on in the Mosque. On another occasion he told a man who prayed next to him to repeat the prayer for he didn't do it right. When the man informed the prophet that he did his best and didn't know how to do the prayer better than he performed, the prophet stood up and verbally took the man through how to pray.

So you see saxib, there is no accurate prayer methods without the prophet's verbal teachings of how to do them. Just one example out of many where the prophet's input clarifies what the Quran tells Muslims to do as Muslims.


How would you pray if you were objecting to the prophet's teachings about prayer? Something every Muslim has to accept to perform as part of their Faith?

As long as the hadeeth does not contradict a Quranic verse, is authenticated, there would be no issue. Quran is first, Hadeeth second, the two make up Islam.

And science is not an infallible source btw. So don't go there. Most of what is alleged on propagandist websites about science contradicting Islam is willfully misleading or total misunderstanding of the Quran itself on the part of people who ran these websites.
You're right that the Quran does not contradict science, but many hadiths do. So-called sahih hadiths allege that that the kuffar have seven intestines. Any kid who studies anatomy will laugh at this. They also claim that the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said that the sun bows down at Allah's throne when it sets. Any seven year old child knows the sun does not set, but Sahih Bukhari says it does. Scholars have exposed these lies which are attributed to the prophet.

The only hadiths that are legimitate are those which confirm what is already in the Quran. Hadiths about worship fall into this category. But those which invent new laws and doctrines, as many do, are bogus and man made.
 
You're right that the Quran does not contradict science, but many hadiths do. So-called sahih hadiths allege that that the kuffar have seven intestines. Any kid who studies anatomy will laugh at this. They also claim that the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said that the sun bows down at Allah's throne when it sets. Any seven year old child knows the sun does not set, but Sahih Bukhari says it does. Scholars have exposed these lies which are attributed to the prophet.

The only hadiths that are legimitate are those which confirm what is already in the Quran. Hadiths about worship fall into this category. But those which invent new laws and doctrines, as many do, are bogus and man made.


Hi Bro, what you said is the biggest example of people misunderstanding the point of a hadith and taking it to extremes that others(muslims) would laugh at and find it comical. If you saw the Hadith you are referring to in Arabic, It mentions how a muslim eats with One Stomach whilst the Disbeliever eats with Seven. Right there should be a clarifying point for you. How does a muslim have one stomach when the disbeliever has Seven within the same HADITH? There is message the Hadith is conveying using Metaphor and the rest of the Hadith clarifies that for you.

This is a metaphor for excessive and sparsely eating, paying no heed to modesty in food consumption(you are supposed to share the extra and don't have to be gluttonous person eating every last drop of food at your disposal). The hadith contrstas two individuals. One who believes in god should be mindful of the blessings they are given and look kindly on others by sharing and not making themselves sick with Food. There is another Hadith that teaches to leave a space for breathing and not to fill your stomach with drinks and food till you can't.


Your understanding of what you read as allegedly scientific error on the part of this Hadith is exactly what I was referring to in the last two lines of my previous post. Almost every criticism I have read is similar to your misunderstanding. " Metaphorical" speaking is part of Arabic language just as it is big in Somali use. Hope this clarifies something for you.

Let me know if you are not still satisfied with that.

PS: Same with every Hadith people quote to challenge Islam.
 
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Hi Bro, what you said is the biggest example of people misunderstanding the point of a hadith and taking it to extremes that others(muslims) would laugh at and find it comical. If you saw the Hadith you are referring to in Arabic, It mentions how a muslim eats with One Stomach whilst the Disbeliever eats with Seven. Right there should be a clarifying point for you. How does a muslim have one stomach when the disbeliever has Seven within the same HADITH? There is message the Hadith is conveying using Metaphor and the rest of the Hadith clarifies that for you.

This is a metaphor for excessive and sparsely eating, paying no heed to modesty in food consumption(you are supposed to share the extra and don't have to be gluttonous person eating every last drop of food at your disposal). The hadith contrstas two individuals. One who believes in god should be mindful of the blessings they are given and look kindly on others by sharing and not making themselves sick with Food. There is another Hadith that teaches to leave a space for breathing and not to fill your stomach with drinks and food till you can't.


Your understanding of what you read as allegedly scientific error on the part of this Hadith is exactly what I was referring to in the last two lines of my previous post. Almost every criticism I have read is similar to your misunderstanding. " Metaphorical" speaking is part of Arabic language just as it is big in Somali use. Hope this clarifies something for you.

Let me know if you are not still satisfied with that.

PS: Same with every Hadith people quote to challenge Islam.
I've seen the Arabic text. It says Muslims have one intestine (not stomach), and non-Muslims have seven. Both are scientifically wrong. All human beings have two intestines. The hadith says nothing about greed. That's a modern interpretation invented by uncritical supporters of hadith when they realized that the hadith is anatomically incorrect. No classical scholar read it that way. Before the discovery of modern anatomy, everybody interpreted it literally. But they've now edited newer volumes of hadith to include parenthetical remarks that say it's not about intestines at all - it's all metaphorical. Which is interesting because Saudi literalists never read things metaphorically except when they've been caught out in an error.

I notice you didn't answer my point about the hadith of the sun. Bukhari claims the sun bows at the feet of Allah's throne when it sets. Do you believe the sun sets or that it bows at Allah's throne?

A third hadith says that Allah created Adam in his image, which is precisely what the Bible says and totally against the Quran which says Allah does not resemble his creation. Is it your view that Allah looks like a human being? Many hadiths are man made fairytales that contradict the Quran and science. There are many more such errors.
 
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Another hadith says shaitan is black skinned with uncombed wragly hair.
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I've seen the Arabic text. It says Muslims have one intestine (not stomach), and non-Muslims have seven. Both are scientifically wrong. All human beings have two intestines. The hadith says nothing about greed. That's a modern interpretation invented by uncritical supporters of hadith when they realized that the hadith is anatomically incorrect. No classical scholar read it that way. Before the discovery of modern anatomy, everybody interpreted it literally. But they've now edited newer volumes of hadith to include parenthetical remarks that say it's not about intestines at all. It's all metaphorical. Which is interesting because Saudi literalists never read things metaphorically except when they've been caught out in an error.

I notice you didn't answer my point about the hadith of the sun. Bukhari claims the sun bows at the feet of Allah's throne when it sets. Do you believe the sun sets or that it bows at Allah's throne?

A third hadith says that Allah created Adam in his image, which is precisely what the Bible says and totally against the Quran which says Allah does not resemble his creation? Is it your view that Allah looks like a human being? Many hadiths are man made fairytales that contradict the Quran and science. There are many more such errors.



You have to settle the first argument before we proceed and jump to other issues. One at a time. First Hadith of the seven Intestines for a human is metaphorical. A muslim with one intestine(the part you seem to ignore) and a Kafir with seven Intestines .... This is a question for you: Why in the Hadith one human being is said to have One Intestine and another to have Seven? What is the objective of the contrasting image of the two? the answer is looking at you but you aren't interested ....


I quote for you from an Imam among Islamic Scholars by the name Ibnu Hajar .....

"Imamu Ibnu Hajar Al-asqalani (d. 923/1517) clarifies about the significance of the number seven in the narration.

وتخصيص السبعة قيل للمبالغة والتكثير كما في قوله تعالى: {والبحر يمدّه من بعده سبعة أبحر} [لقمان: 27]

The specification of seven is by way of hyperbole, showing excess as in the words of Allah, ‘And if whatever trees upon the earth were pens and the sea [was ink], replenished thereafter by seven [more] seas, the words of Allah would not be exhausted.’”(31:27)"



Not only the Hadith, but the Quranic verse as quoted above by the Imam himself explains the method of hyperbole, or Metaphorical speech intended to emphasize the importance of something saxib.



Unless you are satisfied with this, I am not able to proceed responding to any other issue you raised. Also, note that I am not a scholar but have the ability to find the answer from the vast database of knowledge online..... I will be able to get you an answer on anything I can that way.... It is up to you to examine and take what you are satisfied with.

Honesty and Sincerity are required from both of us in this exchange ... So we don't waste time circumambulating
 
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Note how the verse is using SEVEN SEAS as a metaphor to emphasize how vast the Knowledge of God is in that if you used seven seas as an ink, and tried to write down all his Knowledge, that amount of ink will run out... And you would need more to continue writing ...


It is possible someone out there looking at that verse can claim Quran teaches fake Science about seas when the intension is not actually science but metaphor...

Ma fahamtay saxib?
 
You have to settle the first argument before we proceed and jump to other issues. One at a time. First Hadith of the seven Intestines for a human is metaphorical. A muslim with one intestine(the part you seem to ignore) and a Kafir with seven Intestines .... This is a question for you: Why in the Hadith one human being is said to have One Intestine and another to have Seven? What is the objective of the contrasting image of the two? the answer is looking at you but you aren't interested ....


I quote for you from an Imam among Islamic Scholars by the name Ibnu Hajar .....

"Imamu Ibnu Hajar Al-asqalani (d. 923/1517) clarifies about the significance of the number seven in the narration.

وتخصيص السبعة قيل للمبالغة والتكثير كما في قوله تعالى: {والبحر يمدّه من بعده سبعة أبحر} [لقمان: 27]

The specification of seven is by way of hyperbole, showing excess as in the words of Allah, ‘And if whatever
trees upon the earth were pens and the sea [was ink], replenished thereafter by seven [more] seas, the words
of Allah would not be exhausted.’”(31:27)
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Not only the Hadith, but the Quranic verse as quoted above by the Imam himself explains the method of hyperbole, or Metaphorical speech intended to emphasize the importance of something saxib.



Unless you are satisfied with this, I am not able to proceed responding to any other issue you raised. Also, note that I am not a scholar but have the ability to find the answer from the vast database of knowledge online..... I will be able to get you an answer on anything I can that way.... It is up to you examine and take what you are satisfied with.

Honesty and Sincerity are required from both of us in this exchange ... So we don't waste time circumambulating
Your explanation does not make sense even if you assume it's about greed. Intestines have nothing to do with greed. They're waste disposal organs for urine and excrement. The stomach is the universal symbol of greed, which is why you tried to switch intestines to stomach. Presumably the reason why he says that Muslims have one intestine is because they have less urine and excrement in them, if at all Bukhari was aware that intestines were for waste disposal.
 
Note how the verse is using SEVEN SEAS as a metaphor to emphasize how vast the Knowledge of God is in that if you used seven seas as an ink, and tried to write down all his Knowledge, that amount of ink will run out... And you would need more to continue writing ...


It is possible someone out there looking at that verse can claim Quran teaches fake Science about seas when the intension is not actually science but metaphor...

Ma fahamtay saxib?
The ayah and the hadith have nothing to do with each other.

Read this article by Mohammed Amin to see the many errors and contradictions in hadith:

https://www.mohammedamin.com/Community_issues/How-reliable-are-hadith.html
 
Your explanation does not make sense even if you assume it's about greed. Intestines have nothing to do with greed. They're waste disposal organs for urine and excrement. The stomach is the universal symbol of greed, which is why you tried to switch intestines to stomach. Presumably the reason why he says that Muslims have one intestines is because they have less urine and excrement in them, if at all Bukhari was aware that intestines were for waste disposal.


You are saying the Stomach is a universal symbol for greed, and there saxib, is what the Hadith is conveying with some caveat in that a Muslim needs to control that greed and not follow his stomach like some non believer would...


You are somehow providing the answers but you willfully blind yourself to what you are saying. Also, sometimes people mention part of an organ in reference to the total organ. It is all linguistics.

If you want to argue over this all day, then my objective is complete and your claim that this Hadith was teaching science by saying people have seven intestines is proven to be false.

The same hadith you quote says someone has ONE INTESTINE ... so there is contrast of images between two people, one with an intestine(singular) and the other with seven...

Come up with something else, this Hadith is settled.
 
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