Why did Wahabis rase the tombstones of the prophets relatives in Medina?

[Tawheed]

Why would i worship a grave, pls use your brain walal.

good sxb

 

[Bahabskul]

Here comes the pdfs and tawasaufs.

dude don’t come to me with these stuff. I dig you into a hole

I am not a Sufi. I'm just a Sunni, who isn't a Salafi. Plus these are from Ibn Taymiyya (rahimahullah) who i know you guys love. This isn't against Salafism, even, as many Salafis agree with righteous Tasawwuf but believe that many Tariqats have been corrupted. I digress, you can read for yourself, as Allah (swt) has given you an intellect.

Imam Ibn Taymiyya Mentions some Great Shaikhs of Sufism
And we wish to mention some of the shaikhs which Imam Ibn Taymiyya accepted from the well-known Sufi shaikhs. This is found in his volume entitled 'Ilm as-Sulook [the Science of Travelling the Way to God], which consists of the whole of volume 10 of Majmu'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya which is 775 pages in length, all of which is about the knowledge of the ways of true Sufism, the Science of Travelling to God, ['ilm us-sulook].

On page 516, the third paragraph he says:

• "the great Sufi shaikhs are the best shaiks to be known and accepted, such as:
  • Bayazid al-Bistami [a grandshaikh of the Golden Chain of the Naqshbandi Tariqat],
    Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani,
    Junayd bin Muhammad [the most well-known Sufi]
    Hasan al-Basri,
    al Fudayl ibn al-Ayyad,
    Ibrahim bin al-Adham [very famous sufi, known as Sultan of the Ascetics],
    Abi Sulayman ad-Daarani,
    Ma'ruf al-Karkhi [a well-known Sufi],
    Siri as-Saqati,
    Shaikh Hammad,
    Shaikh Abul Bayyan."

And Ibn Taymiyya continues:

• "THOSE GREAT SUFI PEOPLE WERE THE LEADERS OF HUMANITY, AND THEY WERE CALLING TO WHAT IS RIGHT AND FORBIDDING WHAT IS WRONG."

In Majmu'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, published by Dar ar-Rahmat, Cairo, Vol, 11, page 497. Book of Tassuwuf), Ibn Taymiyya says:

• "You have to know that the rightly-guided shaikhs must be taken as guides and examples in the Din, as they are following in the footsteps of the Prophets and Messengers. And the Way (tariqat) of those shaikhs is to call people to Allah's Divine Presence and obedience to the Prophet."

Here we find Ibn Taymiyya calling for people to take a guide and mentioning that each guide has his own method (tariqat) in calling people to the Prophet's ways.
Ibn Taymiyya says on page 499 of the same volume:

• "And the shaikhs whom we need to take as guides are our examples that we have to follow, as when on the Hajj, (the pilgrimage) one needs a guide [daleel] to reach the Ka'aba, these shaikhs are our guide [daleel] to Allah and our Prophet (s)."

Ibn Taymiyya quotes from Bayazid al-Bistami, who said, on page 510, Volume 10:

• "...the great Sufi shaikh Bayazid al-Bistami and the famous story about him when he saw God in a vision (kashf) and said to Him: 'O Allah what is the way to You?' And Allah responded 'Leave yourself and come to Me.'"

Ibn Taymiyya continues quoting Bayazid al-Bistami,

• "I shed my self as a snake sheds its skin."

This quotation is an indication of the need for zuhd (self-denial or abstention from the worldly life), as that was the path followed by Bayazid al-Bistami.
So we see from the above quotes, that Ibn Taymiyya was accepting many shaikhs by quoting them and urging people to follow guides to show the way to obey God and to obey the Prophet (s).


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Again, this is all from Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah)

 

[Tawheed]

I am not a Sufi. I'm just a Sunni, who isn't a Salafi. Plus these are from Ibn Taymiyya (rahimahullah) who i know you guys love. This isn't against Salafism, even, as many Salafis agree with righteous Tasawwuf but believe that many Tariqats have been corrupted. I digress, you can read for yourself, as Allah (swt) has given you an intellect.

Imam Ibn Taymiyya Mentions some Great Shaikhs of Sufism
And we wish to mention some of the shaikhs which Imam Ibn Taymiyya accepted from the well-known Sufi shaikhs. This is found in his volume entitled 'Ilm as-Sulook [the Science of Travelling the Way to God], which consists of the whole of volume 10 of Majmu'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya which is 775 pages in length, all of which is about the knowledge of the ways of true Sufism, the Science of Travelling to God, ['ilm us-sulook].

On page 516, the third paragraph he says:

• "the great Sufi shaikhs are the best shaiks to be known and accepted, such as:
  • Bayazid al-Bistami [a grandshaikh of the Golden Chain of the Naqshbandi Tariqat],
    Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani,
    Junayd bin Muhammad [the most well-known Sufi]
    Hasan al-Basri,
    al Fudayl ibn al-Ayyad,
    Ibrahim bin al-Adham [very famous sufi, known as Sultan of the Ascetics],
    Abi Sulayman ad-Daarani,
    Ma'ruf al-Karkhi [a well-known Sufi],
    Siri as-Saqati,
    Shaikh Hammad,
    Shaikh Abul Bayyan."

And Ibn Taymiyya continues:

• "THOSE GREAT SUFI PEOPLE WERE THE LEADERS OF HUMANITY, AND THEY WERE CALLING TO WHAT IS RIGHT AND FORBIDDING WHAT IS WRONG."

In Majmu'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, published by Dar ar-Rahmat, Cairo, Vol, 11, page 497. Book of Tassuwuf), Ibn Taymiyya says:

• "You have to know that the rightly-guided shaikhs must be taken as guides and examples in the Din, as they are following in the footsteps of the Prophets and Messengers. And the Way (tariqat) of those shaikhs is to call people to Allah's Divine Presence and obedience to the Prophet."

Here we find Ibn Taymiyya calling for people to take a guide and mentioning that each guide has his own method (tariqat) in calling people to the Prophet's ways.
Ibn Taymiyya says on page 499 of the same volume:

• "And the shaikhs whom we need to take as guides are our examples that we have to follow, as when on the Hajj, (the pilgrimage) one needs a guide [daleel] to reach the Ka'aba, these shaikhs are our guide [daleel] to Allah and our Prophet (s)."

Ibn Taymiyya quotes from Bayazid al-Bistami, who said, on page 510, Volume 10:

• "...the great Sufi shaikh Bayazid al-Bistami and the famous story about him when he saw God in a vision (kashf) and said to Him: 'O Allah what is the way to You?' And Allah responded 'Leave yourself and come to Me.'"

Ibn Taymiyya continues quoting Bayazid al-Bistami,

• "I shed my self as a snake sheds its skin."

This quotation is an indication of the need for zuhd (self-denial or abstention from the worldly life), as that was the path followed by Bayazid al-Bistami.
So we see from the above quotes, that Ibn Taymiyya was accepting many shaikhs by quoting them and urging people to follow guides to show the way to obey God and to obey the Prophet (s).


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Again, this is all from Shaykh Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah)

why talk about this man rahimahullah dacwa salafiyya was before him

 

[Xasusi]

Grave worship was common in the middle ages

 

[Bahabskul]

why talk about this man rahimahullah dacwa salafiyya was before him

Brother, i'm not talking about the righteous Salaf, but the people who named themselves after the Salaf, the Salafiyyah, or Salafis in English.

 

[Tawheed]

Brother, i'm not talking about the righteous Salaf, but the people who named themselves after the Salaf, the Salafiyyah, or Salafis in English.

waraa if u follow the sunnah and qur'an then u are muslim

 

[Bahabskul]

waraa if u follow the sunnah and qur'an then u are muslim

I'm Sunni, walal. Of course i follow the Qur'an and Sunnah, Alhamdulilah.

 

[Tawheed]

I'm Sunni, walal, of course i follow the Qur'an and Sunnah, alhamdulilah.

then what problems do u have against abdulwahhab RA

 

[Tawheed]

It's pointless to argue with these people bro. To them, Islam and Arabs are interchangeable. They will defend their fuckery just as hard as we would defend islam.

waraa stop with this BS

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

And please refrain from saying wahabi

Why though?

 

[Bahabskul]

then what problems do u have against abdulwahhab RA

I only have a problem with people who say Sufism equates grave-worship or makes takfir of Sunnis for disagreeing with them.

I don't mind people like Ibn Abdulwahhab or Ibn Taymiyya (rahimahullah) for having slight disagreements with the established Ulama, since Scholars tend to disagree.

 

[Tawheed]

I only have a problem with people who say Sufism equates grave-worship or makes takfir of Sunnis for disagreeing with them.

I don't mind people like Ibn Abdulwahhab or Ibn Taymiyya (rahimahullah) for having slight disagreements with the established Ulama, since Scholars tend to disagree.

what about ash'aris

 

[Bahabskul]

what about ash'aris

What do you mean, brother.

 

[Tawheed]

What do you mean, brother.

are they ahlu sunnah or ahlu bidca

 

[Parailia somalensis]

Aren't you the guy that calls people Islamist? please explain to me how Islamism is bad, you liberal.

Islamists tend to favor destruction and chaos and still day dream of the long gone caliphate era. They are not for development and prosperity like our fellow western compatriots. They also don’t improve the livelihood of the average disadvantaged citizen but prefer to sacrifice him/her in the frontlines in promise for free pussy in janah.

 

[Tawheed]

Islamists tend to favor destruction and chaos and still day dream of the long gone caliphate era. They are not for development and prosperity like our fellow western compatriots. They also don’t improve the livelihood of the average disadvantaged citizen but prefer to sacrifice him/her in the frontlines in promise for free pussy in janah.

talking like a kafir

 

[Bahabskul]

are they ahlu sunnah or ahlu bidca

Ahlu Sunnah

 

[Bahabskul]

Islamists tend to favor destruction and chaos and still day dream of the long gone caliphate era. They are not for development and prosperity like our fellow western compatriots. They also don’t improve the livelihood of the average disadvantaged citizen but prefer to sacrifice him/her in the frontlines in promise for free pussy in janah.

Go dig a hole, liberal. Be sure to put your head in and your ass up. Maybe a superior Westener will use you as a hole to satisfy himself in, since that's what your goal essentially boils down to.

We are Somalis, stop with this imported Westener bullshit..

 

[Djokovic]

Your idol, Ibn Abdulwahhab was tutored by a Naqshbandi Sufi. Your Shaykh, Ibn Taymiyya (rahimahullah) praised Qadariyya Sufism. I used to be Salafi until i actually studied fiqh and aqeedah. Your biggest guys love Sufism, but apparently their followers, don't?

Btw, Wahhabism only started in the 18th century, but apparently you guys hate bid'ah. How is that possible when your entire movement is one big bid'ah.

There are no idols he was just a scholar who was against bid’ah

 

[Bahabskul]

There are no idols he was just a scholar who was against bid’ah

His entire theology is one bid'ah from one end to the other.