Why couldn't farmaajo defeat ahmed madoobe

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

buurgaabo used to be mixed but not anymore. the extension of mx population from the islands to buurgaabo since 2013 is being gradually pulled back to kismayo.

where were ayr in 2007? when reer diini chased out afgaduud (mj) and kojar (og)?

So how many troops did Kojaar or Afgaduud have in comparison to the entire armed mx gang in Kismaayo?
Roughtly 200 militia of Kojaar plus afgaduud against almost 500 mx soulders and even mx women and children mx took up arms.

You pretty know that AY didnt want a petty fight in Kismaayo or he would have drowned you folks in the indian ocean.

After kojaar Madoobe defeated Hiraale 3 times.One in Kismaayo another in Buaale before he was captured by US marines.
When he came back Madoobe defeated mx in 2013.
Most mx that brag about wars are the refugees that msb brought from wardheer iyo shilaabo who were laways lama oyaans.

Mx from mudug and DDs are the hawkish group who propagate war and pretend to be macho wasnt Huraale born in Shilaabo? His entire ancestors could not een fight Bahgeri what makes you think when those weaklings from mudug can do in Gedo?

 

[Kanan]

buurgaabo used to be mixed but not anymore. the extension of mx population from the islands to buurgaabo since 2013 is being gradually pulled back to kismayo.

where were ayr in 2007? when reer diini chased out afgaduud (mj) and kojar (og)?

You mean when ICU/Al Shabaab steam rolled into Kismayo without any fighting or resistance?

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

laangaab is you warday boy, who came to somalia on the backs of kenyan tanks. your time in somalia is almost over. bye bye kenya.

If you are landeere why did reer koshin not protect MSB in Garbaharey in the 90s?
Idajaa a reer Siyad diini refused MSB to even rest at the Guest house which prompted MSB to flee to a Kenya helicopter in Mandera.

So when langaabs like you talk you all just chat shit.

 

[reer]

You mean when ICU/Al Shabaab steam rolled into Kismayo without any fighting or resistance?

after ethiopian withdrawal from kismayo. kismayo fell to reer diini. the maamul was guddiga siyaasadda beesha sade. the only clan to use such a blatantly tribal name for an administration of the city. abdullahi yusuf refused to recognize the kismayo maamul till he left. for obvious reason.

 

[Oday-yar]

gtfoh. onlf and ittihad became interwined and attacked xabashis from gedo. when meles invaded they bolted back to where they came from. bjj nigga.


buulo gaduud is north and unhospitable to darods because of the humid mosquito environment. youll find mx in berhani quds yaaqdabeyl. west and northwest. better weather no mosquitos etc.

I think in onlf, you see ogaden, perhaps that's where your anger comes from.

ONLF has nothing to do with the dispute in Jubaland. I know barre hiiraale used them as an excuse when he lost control of kismaayo, but let's be objective here and have real conversations as opposed to low IQ fkd, which I am sure you've had a thousand times by now.

 

[cow]

If you are landeere why did reer koshin not protect MSB in Garbaharey in the 90s?
Idajaa a reer Siyad diini refused MSB to even rest at the Guest house which prompted MSB to flee to a Kenya helicopter in Mandera.

So when langaabs like you talk you all just chat shit.

lol laangaab boy, siyad barre was unharmed and left somalia. but your clan how come cumar jees could not protect th3 5000 caaghdeers drowned in shabeele river by xawaadle? even after betraying siyad barre and siding with USC still did not save your people.

xawaadle captured siyad barre's son an released him unharmed and at the same time killed 5000 caaghdeers it shows that one live is more worth then 5000 caaghdeer lives.

 

[reer]

I think in onlf, you see ogaden, perhaps that's where your anger comes from.

ONLF has nothing to do with the dispute in Jubaland. I know barre hiiraale used them as an excuse when he lost control of kismaayo, but let's be objective here and have real conversations as opposed to low IQ fkd, which I am sure you've had a thousand times by now.

low iq fkd is denying onlf being majority ogaden.

 

[Oday-yar]

low iq fkd is denying onlf being majority ogaden.

yes that's true but is that a crime? kkk
my brother, marehan have a problem with this guy called madoobe. they used the Somali wealth and resources to get rid of him and failed. how is your guy blaming onlf here?

I expected better logic from young educated farahs.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

lol laangaab boy, siyad barre was unharmed and left somalia. but your clan how come cumar jees could not protect th3 5000 caaghdeers drowned in shabeele river by xawaadle? even after betraying siyad barre and siding with USC still did not save your people.

xawaadle captured siyad barre's son an released him unharmed and at the same time killed 5000 caaghdeers it shows that one live is more worth then 5000 caaghdeer lives.

Why did msb leave Gedo? if he is landheere? Did he go for holiday in lagos?

Secondly hiraan is not gedo or juboyinka nor was cumar jess in hiraan but refugee camp which msb created

Why would MSB with all best weapons flee from Gedo? Which was "majority" mx.
This is what hawiye have always understood that mx is the weakest link amongst darood.

 

[Kanan]

after ethiopian withdrawal from kismayo. kismayo fell to reer diini. the maamul was guddiga siyaasadda beesha sade. the only clan to use such a blatantly tribal name for an administration of the city. abdullahi yusuf refused to recognize the kismayo maamul till he left. for obvious reason.

From 1991-1993 Kismayo was lead by Morgan/SNF. Aidiid captured it briefly but Morgan SNF/ Jess SPM recaptured the city till 1998?


From 98 -2006 Kismayo was under the control of Marehan/HG JVA alliance. The Hawiye based ICU in Mogadishu captured Kismayo without a fight from JVA in part because HG joined them and Ogaden Ras Kamboni supported ICU force who came to claim Kismayo. The Ethiopians came forcefully captured Mogadishu and broke the ICU they advanced to Kismayo and also captured it. I'm not sure but I believe Marehan were supporting Ethiopian army? Anyway Ethiopian army retreated from Kismayo in 2009. From 2009 to 2012 the city was controlled by Al Shabaab aligned Marehan militia, correct? In 2012 Kenya invaded Jubaland and allied with Ogaden establishing Jubaland interim admin next year in 2013 amides furious apposition from FGS at that time under leadership of newly elected HSM.



Is my timeline correct?



What we can deduce from these events is that Ogaden and to lesser extent Harti will always be supported by Kenya in Jubaland power struggle. Marehan & Hawiye lead FGS will always appose an OG lead Jubaland and support the two sub clans to challenge OG dominance of Kismayo the seat of power in Jubaland. The FGS group will enjoy minimum support from Ethiopia as the latter has common understanding with Kenya. We have seen Ethiopia taking the side of Kenya when FGS raised complaints at AU against Kenya middling within it's borders during Gedo crisis.



There is another dormant faction called Al Shabaab largely supported by minorities against Jubaland admin & FGS. At the moment they have no influence on Lower Juba or Kismayo and appear to stay put in Middle Juba. This conflict has many multifaceted layers, very complicated and multi dimensional from prospective of all sides. There is no common ground every group lay claims of ownership over Kismayo there is no compromise or win-win situation. Every disadvantaged group will claim to be victims and not having their fair share of representation thus will resort to sabotage Jubaland from within.



Cluster f*ck of a dispute. Whomever solves this paradox is going to be nominated for a Nobel peace prize.

 

[Gantaal97]

From 1991-1993 Kismayo was lead by Morgan/SNF. Aidiid captured it briefly but Morgan SNF/ Jess SPM recaptured the city till 1998?


From 98 -2006 Kismayo was under the control of Marehan/HG JVA alliance. The Hawiye based ICU in Mogadishu captured Kismayo without a fight from JVA in part because HG joined them and Ogaden Ras Kamboni supported ICU force who came to claim Kismayo. The Ethiopians came forcefully captured Mogadishu and broke the ICU they advanced to Kismayo and also captured it. I'm not sure but I believe Marehan were supporting Ethiopian army? Anyway Ethiopian army retreated from Kismayo in 2009. From 2009 to 2012 the city was controlled by Al Shabaab aligned Marehan militia, correct? In 2012 Kenya invaded Jubaland and allied with Ogaden establishing Jubaland interim afmi next year in 2013 amides furious apposition from FGS at that time under leadership of newly elected HSM.



Is my timeline correct?



What we can deduce from these events is that Ogaden and to lesser extent Harti will always be supported by Kenya in Jubaland power struggle. Marehan & Hawiye lead FGS will always appose an OG lead Jubaland and support the two sub clans to challenge OG dominance of Kismayo the seat of power in Jubaland. The FGS group will enjoy minimum support from Ethiopia as the latter has common understanding with Kenya. We have seen Ethiopia taking the side of Kenya when FGS raised complaints at AU against Kenya middling within it's borders during Gedo crisis.



There is another dormant faction called Al Shabaab largely supported by minorities against Jubaland admin & FGS. At the moment they have no influence on Lower Juba or Kismayo and appear to stay put in Middle Juba. This conflict has many multifaceted layers, very complicated and multi dimensional from prospective of all sides. There is no common ground every group lay claims of ownership over Kismayo there is no compromise or win-win situation. Every disadvantaged group will claim to be victims and not having their fair share of representation thus will resort to sabotage Jubaland from within.



Cluster f*ck of a dispute. Whomever solves this paradox is going to be nominated for a Nobel peace prize.

Didn't Moorgan and his brother in law Maaslax create autonomous region of jubaland in 98?

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

From 1991-1993 Kismayo was lead by Morgan/SNF. Aidiid captured it briefly but Morgan SNF/ Jess SPM recaptured the city till 1998?


From 98 -2006 Kismayo was under the control of Marehan/HG JVA alliance. The Hawiye based ICU in Mogadishu captured Kismayo without a fight from JVA in part because HG joined them and Ogaden Ras Kamboni supported ICU force who came to claim Kismayo. The Ethiopians came forcefully captured Mogadishu and broke the ICU they advanced to Kismayo and also captured it. I'm not sure but I believe Marehan were supporting Ethiopian army? Anyway Ethiopian army retreated from Kismayo in 2009. From 2009 to 2012 the city was controlled by Al Shabaab aligned Marehan militia, correct? In 2012 Kenya invaded Jubaland and allied with Ogaden establishing Jubaland interim afmi next year in 2013 amides furious apposition from FGS at that time under leadership of newly elected HSM.



Is my timeline correct?



What we can deduce from these events is that Ogaden and to lesser extent Harti will always be supported by Kenya in Jubaland power struggle. Marehan & Hawiye lead FGS will always appose an OG lead Jubaland and support the two sub clans to challenge OG dominance of Kismayo the seat of power in Jubaland. The FGS group will enjoy minimum support from Ethiopia as the latter has common understanding with Kenya. We have seen Ethiopia taking the side of Kenya when FGS raised complaints at AU against Kenya middling within it's borders during Gedo crisis.



There is another dormant faction called Al Shabaab largely supported by minorities against Jubaland admin & FGS. At the moment they have no influence on Lower Juba or Kismayo and appear to stay put in Middle Juba. This conflict has many multifaceted layers, very complicated and multi dimensional from prospective of all sides. There is no common ground every group lay claims of ownership over Kismayo there is no compromise or win-win situation. Every disadvantaged group will claim to be victims and not having their fair share of representation thus will resort to sabotage Jubaland from within.



Cluster f*ck of a dispute. Whomever solves this paradox is going to be nominated for a Nobel peace prize.

What middle Jubba do you have?
There is no HG in middle Jubba and its an AS strong hold.

As for walalaha galgaduud isnt it funny that today the 7 years of occupation in Kismaayo has led to the battle in Galmudug Ceyr are being turned into langaab as we speak?
Secondlybit was Madhoobe that removed Hiraale from kismaayo Hawiye ICu were all Igu sawir that is why Sheilh Sharif left xamar for kismaayo when Ethiopia was advancing to xamar.

 

[Kanan]

Didn't Moorgan and his brother in law Maaslax create autonomous region of jubaland in 98?

He pulled a Somaliland and declared the independent state of Azania seceding from Somalia. It flopped in less than a year when Marehan & HG kicked him out of Kismayo.



Azania's flag.

 

[Gantaal97]

He pulled a Somaliland and declared the independent state of Azania seceding from Somalia. It flopped in less than a year when Marehan & HG kicked him out of Kismayo.



Azania's flag.
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Was Maaslax with him during that time or did he gave up on being a warlord? Cuz the two are still close to each other

 

[Kanan]

What middle Jubba do you have?
There is no HG in middle Jubba and its an AS strong hold.

As for walalaha galgaduud isnt it funny that today the 7 years of occupation in Kismaayo has led to the battle in Galmudug Ceyr are being turned into langaab as we speak?
Secondlybit was Madhoobe that removed Hiraale from kismaayo Hawiye ICu were all Igu sawir that is why Sheilh Sharif left xamar for kismaayo when Ethiopia was advancing to xamar.

Who's "you" I'm takling about minorities in Buaale & Jilib who live in half of Middle Juba. They'll certainly prefer to support Al Shabaab over either sides.

 

[Kanan]

Was Maaslax with him during that time or did he gave up on being a warlord? Cuz the two are still close to each other

Not sure about Maslax but he doesn't appear as capable as Morgan, probably went to exile in the west. Ask @reer he knows ilma Barre and has him on speed dial. Morgan hanged his gloves afterwards and retired in Kenya. I believe he was only seen later when he signed 4.5 law in Djibouti Arta 2000.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

He pulled a Somaliland and declared the independent state of Azania seceding from Somalia. It flopped in less than a year when Marehan & HG kicked him out of Kismayo.



Azania's flag.
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Naah you just made that up.

Morgan was actually facing greatest opposition from AY who then was the president of PL. Morgan is from a langaab subclan so AY wanted to send someone to replace him and make kismaayo an extension of PL.
Secondly Xaahi Qorexey bank rolled the invasion of Kismaayo and brought in Ceyr from Xamar he had a successful telecommunication firm in Xamar called Olympia and Ceyr had partnership with him and also he invited the likes of Axmed cumar Jess so as Barre Hiraale.
Its after Morgan was kicked out and Cumar Jess was chasing Morgan in Around dhobley that Cumar Jess was ambushed by folks who were allied to xaaji qorexey.This sparked the conflict and split between MZ in Juboyinka which brought about mistrust After the killing of Xaaji Qorexey.Cumar Jess fell from facour of MZ as he was suspected of pitting Xaaji qorexey against Hiraale.
Xaji qorexey was a businessman not a warlord and he under estimated Cumar Jess which led to his death.

That is the reason why Ogaden MZ alliance disintegrated and Ceyr and MX filled the vacuum.

 

[Gantaal97]

Not sure about Maslax but he doesn't appear as capable as Morgan, probably went to exile in the west. Ask @reer he knows ilma Barre and has him on speed dial. Morgan hanged his gloves afterwards and retired in Kenya. I believe he was only seen later when he signed 4.5 law in Djibouti Arta 2000.

 

[Sheikh Kulkuli]

Who's "you" I'm takling about minorities in Buaale & Jilib who live in half of Middle Juba. They'll certainly prefer to support Al Shabaab over either sides.

You mean jare.erta? Sheikhal and galjecel have always been lama oyaan and never benefitted at all under JVA infact their land become compromised.

Middle Jubba is majority Cawliyahan and Cawliyahan is part of AS with Raxaweyn.

Minorities are irrelevant in Juboyinka if Ogaden, Mx and raxaweyn communities ditched AS then lama oyaan would not make AS stay put in Juboyinka.

 

[Gantaal97]

Naah you just made that up.

Morgan was actually facing greatest opposition from AY who then was the president of PL. Morgan is from a langaab subclan so AY wanted to send someone to replace him and make kismaayo an extension of PL.
Secondly Xaahi Qorexey bank rolled the invasion of Kismaayo and brought in Ceyr from Kismaayo he had a successful telecommunication firm in Xamr called Olympia and also invited the likes of Axmed cumar Jess so as Barre Hiraale.
Its after Morgan was kicked out and Cumar Jess was chasing Morgan in Around dhobley that Cumar Jess was ambushed by folks who were allied to xaaji qorexey.This sparked the conflict and split between MZ in Juboyinka which brought about mistrust After the killing of Xaaji Qorexey.Cumar Jess fell from facour of MZ as he was suspected of pitting Xaaji qorexey against Hiraale.
Xaji qorexey was a businessman not a warlord and he under estimated Cumar Jess which led to his death.

That is the reason why Ogaden MZ alliance disintegrated and Ceyr and MX filled the vacuum.

Damn AY is no joke he wanted to extended Majeertanya rule deep down in the south to create greater Boqortoyda MS Al Majeertanya