Why are we forcing this "Somali Nationalism" or "Somali Nationhood" when it doesn't even exist?

Regardless you will do worse as an independent country than being a state. If you really want PL to prosper, you’d want somalia to prosper

Not really.

If Puntland found reserves of natural resources that were managed properly, we'd do great. In fact, we would easily inherit the best of Somalia's workforce (brain-drain from Somalia) and the world. Similar to what UAE and other similar countries are doing.

I am fantasising here, so humour me lol

I do want the best for Somalia and Somalis and all of mankind, I just don't think this toxic nation needs to be stuck together due to a concept called 'Somalinimo' that had a brief historical existence.
 

Zapfox1

I may be wrong but it's highly unlikely
Not really.

If Puntland found reserves of natural resources that were managed properly, we'd do great. In fact, we would easily inherit the best of Somalia's workforce (brain-drain from Somalia) and the world. Similar to what UAE and other similar countries are doing.

I am fantasising here, so humour me lol

I do want the best for Somalia and Somalis and all of mankind, I just don't think this toxic nation needs to be stuck together due to a concept called 'Somalinimo' that had a brief historical existence.
yeah i feel you. Somalinimo will never work. The past 30 years Proved that. I believe federalism is the way to go. Everyone do their own thing and focus on their own regions on a national level e.g health care, education project such as building roads and ports and come together as β€˜Somalia’ on an international level e.g the army and international politics and also national projects such as building inter state highways. May the best state win πŸ‘πŸΎ
 

Zapfox1

I may be wrong but it's highly unlikely
Multiple begging bowls for the west to contribute to is not in our interest. Come with 1 bowl as one nation.
The west will never allow there to be 5 countries in one region with just one dominant ethnic group whilst there is a country like Ethiopia where there is over 80.
 
The easiest solution would be for somalia and puntland to come under somaliland and the seat of power to be moved to hargesia. The others have had their chance
 
Let qabyaalad perish if we want Soomalinimo to exist. Somalia that adopts loose, collegial federalism and forms a part of a broader Soomaliweyn confederation (along with SL and independent DDS) is the way forward
 
Somaliland is on road to be it's own Country. You people from Somalia should focus on building your country and stop killing eachother:mjdontkno:
 
Regardless you will do worse as an independent country than being a state.natural resources or not. If you really want PL to prosper, you’d want somalia to prosper
How will we do worse? I will have hard border where I get to control who comes in/out and deport whoever messes with our security without hearing β€œwhy are you deporting Fellow citizens bs” Better security instantly.

What do I gain economically tied to the carcass somalia besides crumbs given in the name of Somalia? Even that never reaches us.
 

Zapfox1

I may be wrong but it's highly unlikely
How will we do worse? I will have hard border where I get to control who comes in/out and deport whoever messes with our security without hearing β€œwhy are you deporting Fellow citizens bs” Better security instantly.

What do I gain economically tied to the carcass somalia besides crumbs given in the name of Somalia? Even that never reaches us.
Ethic Somalis are lazy. In xamar, 90% of the buildings are built by eelay and Bantu. I’m sure I’m PL, Bantu do all the menial work. Just drop the 30+ years cuqdad and talk sense
 
Reer Magaal Retoric Pride Comenth Before The Fall May The Tuulo's Rise Up And Save Geeska

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Splitting the country up would just create more shitholes.. What do you think happened to Djibouti?
 

Zapfox1

I may be wrong but it's highly unlikely
And in somaliand?
I can’t talk on SL as I haven’t been there nor know any information about who does the hard and gritty work. Somaliland would do better off than puntland as an independent country. There’s 5 million inhabitants in SL. I don’t even think there’s 1 million in PL. but still SL wouldn’t do better as an independent country compared to being a state in somalia
 
I can’t talk on SL as I haven’t been there nor know any information about who does the hard and gritty work. Somaliland would do better off than puntland as an independent country. There’s 5 million inhabitants in SL. I don’t even think there’s 1 million in PL. but still SL wouldn’t do better as an independent country compared to being a state in somalia

LOL

Even IDPs in Puntland are in the hundreds of thousands.

Below is a quote from the United Nations about health treatments for children Puntland and we all know that many children don't even get access to health care and aren't counted here.

In Puntland 509,733 children received bOPV, 453,732 children received measles vaccines and vitamin A supplements, and 355,264 children received deworming tablets.

 

Zapfox1

I may be wrong but it's highly unlikely
LOL

Even IDPs in Puntland are in the hundreds of thousands.

Below is a quote from the United Nations about health treatments for children Puntland and we all know that many children don't even get access to health care and aren't counted here.



Yeah that’s a bit of an exaggeration lol. Puntland is around 2 million but that’s still relatively small when you compare it to how big puntland is mashallah. South west state isn’t even half of PL land wise but has a population of 5 million. Even Hirshaballe which PL is 4x the size of, has a larger population of 3.7 (almost 4)million
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Yeah that’s a bit of an exaggeration lol. Puntland is around 2 million but that’s still relatively small when you compare it to how big puntland is mashallah. South west state isn’t even half of PL land wise but has a population of 5 million. Even Hirshaballe which PL is 4x the size of, has a larger population of 3.7 (almost 4)million
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I don't trust isaaqopedia figures, wikepedia has gone downhill since Isaaq moderators took over Somali pages and cook up their own stories and push their agendas.

@Thegoodshepherd @DR OSMAN you guys got official stats?
 

Zapfox1

I may be wrong but it's highly unlikely
I don't trust isaaqopedia figures, wikepedia has gone downhill since Isaaq moderators took over Somali pages and cook up their own stories and push their agendas.

@Thegoodshepherd @DR OSMAN you guys got official stats?
Recent one. Done by a site called pl stats. Makes more sense as well. I think PL has a bigger population than galmudug. Same as hirshabelle and smaller than sws. Makes more sense as the further south you go, the greener the land and the more the population is.
 

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