Why Arabic is superior to Somali (from an Islamic perspective)

[cooli3o]

They are biased. If I spent my life’s work religiously studying Japanese you bet i would think Japanese is the best language in the world.

I agree they are biased but I am not saying its the best language bc they studied it im saying they belive its the best due to the Quran and sunnah being in arabic, thats the crux of it

 

[Internet Nomad]

Depending on how much the language developed yes/no
during that time yes it was perfect, depending on how different the arabic spoken before was, but from what I know, the Arabic was not much different before, there are small differences in languages changes is common words, Im not talking abotu those
big differences in the language like modern arabic would not be perfect, but classical arabic that was spoken around the time of the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasalam was perfect, Idk how much it changed from 300 years prior, so I can't comment. as long as the language is mainly the same yes its perfect, major changes would take it out of that.

What do you think is perfect the grammar system or the alphabet or the way you pronounce the words.

If you were to change Somali to fit these requirements do you think Somali has become perfect.

Or Arabic not perfect because the language itself or god has put his stamp of approval on it.

 

[Gacmeey]

My whole argument is how do you know Allah chose to reveal it in Arabic because it was the best language. I don’t want your opinion i need a source of authoritative information which says Allah revealed the Quran in Arabic because it is the best preferably from Quran or Hadith.

Just because Arabic is the lingua franca of paradise doesn’t equate it’s superiority. Obviously it will be the language we have in common because the Quran was revealed in Arabic.

If you cant provide that then its just personal opinion.

I think your misunderstanding. The Quran was not revealed in Arabic because Arabic is the most noble language rather Arabic is the most noble language because it is the language of the Quran and the lingua Franca of the Muslim ummah. It is superior in status to all other languages simply from a religious perspective

 

[cooli3o]

There is leap in justification

point A: Allah revealed the Quran in Arabic
Justification:Therefore
Point B: Arabic is the best language

I need more evidence for that justification.

by itself that would be correct.
but if we look at it as a whole, the entirety of humanity needs to be sent a message, every nation has its own language, now question is, out of all these languages, why does God only pick one language to convey to the whole of mankind, clearly it is the best language to convey the message.

You cannot emulate the Quran because its gods words not because its Arabic. Don’t attribute divinity to Arabic.

Yes I agree.
But even English poetry is trash compared to Arabic poetry, certain languages can't encapture certain meanings, the way the English language is, you couldn't even try to get something close to the best arabic or even somali poetry.

Certain languages are built in a way that it is impossible for them to reach the same levels as other languages

 

[Internet Nomad]

I think your misunderstanding. The Quran was not revealed in Arabic because Arabic is the most noble language rather Arabic is the most noble language because it is the language of the Quran and the lingua Franca of the Muslim ummah. It is superior in status to all other languages simply from a religious perspective

So what you believe is Arabic is great because of its religious significance rather than the language systems it has.

Im closer to your understanding myself.

@cooli3o thinks Arabic is noble because God chose it and it’s language systems.

Its a very interesting topic that you could spend hours and get nowhere i think.

 

[cooli3o]

What do you think is perfect the grammar system or the alphabet or the way you pronounce the words.

If you were to change Somali to fit these requirements do you think Somali has become perfect.

Or Arabic not perfect because the language itself or god has put his stamp of approval on it.

Everything about Arabic is perfect,

if you were to change Somali to fit these requirements it would just become Arabic,

Arabic that was spoken by the Prophet sallallahu alayhi asalam was perfect in and within itself, we only knew this when Allah sent the Quran in it, clearly the language has superiority as God chose it to be the last and final message or every single human being of every single language to come after and during it

 

[cooli3o]

So what you believe is Arabic is great because of its religious significance rather than the language systems it has.

I can understand this argument.

@cooli3o thinks Arabic is noble because God chose it and it’s language systems.

From my perspective, If Shakespeare, knew every language in the world to ever exist, and he chose one language to write all of his plays in to express what he wanted to the entire world to understand his plays from.
would you not automatically assume he thought that language was the best to convey the Ideas of his plays.

 

[Internet Nomad]

by itself that would be correct.
but if we look at it as a whole, the entirety of humanity needs to be sent a message, every nation has its own language, now question is, out of all these languages, why does God only pick one language to convey to the whole of mankind, clearly it is the best language to convey the message.

I have no clue why Allah does things. Its all up to his divine wisdom.

My personal theory is that the arabs were sitting at the crossroads of Asia, Europe and Africa.

 

[Internet Nomad]

From my perspective, If Shakespeare, knew every language in the world to ever exist, and he chose one language to write all of his plays in to express what he wanted to the entire world to understand his plays from.
would you not automatically assume he thought that language was the best to convey the Ideas of his plays.

If i wanted the world to understand my play i would have written in the most common language or a language which is really expressive like arabic.

So i kinda get where your coming from.

 

[Internet Nomad]

To me this all just feels like an assumption that Arabic must be the greatest language because Allah chose to reveal the quran with it.


وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمْ
And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, that he may explain matters to them. (14:4)

Especially when Allah stated he reveals his message in many different languages.

 

[cooli3o]

If i wanted the world to understand my play i would have written in the most common language or a language which is really expressive like arabic.

But you realise if making the play in the most common language was at the detriment of expressing your message you realise that would take away from the perfection of your plays?

If you wanted to do your plays in a language, you would do one which would tick all boxes, otherwise lets say hypothetically no language ticks all boxes, every language has its good and bad, you would try to pick a language that suits the goal that your trying to achieve in your plays as much as possible, right?


Point is, you have a goal, and your picking a language based on that goal, I would assume the language you chose best fits what your trying to do.

 

[xiin-finiin.]

There is no doubt about this. Yes I love the somali language (Af Maay) but I will admit that Arabic is the superior language as it is the language of the deen. Anyone who argues with this is either ignorant of the basics of the deen or is just arrogant nationalist.

the deen being in arabic doesn't make it superior to other languages. However, it can make you love arabic more than somali. If this is you, then that is completely fine. But just because the quran in arabic, doesn't make arabic anything special.

 

[xiin-finiin.]

To me this all just feels like an assumption that Arabic must be the greatest language because Allah chose to reveal the quran with it.


وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمْ
And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, that he may explain matters to them. (14:4)

Especially when Allah stated he reveals his message in many different languages.

arab booty clapping disguised as being a "true" muslim. a very very very dangerous idea that can be weaponized very easily.

 

[Internet Nomad]

Everything about Arabic is perfect,

if you were to change Somali to fit these requirements it would just become Arabic,

According to you Arabic is perfect and if you were to change Somali to fit the Arabic requirements it would basically become Arabic.

However God revealed 3 books in 3 different languages Hebrew,Arabic and Aramaic.

They all have varying language systems.

Are all 3 perfect how can language different systems be perfect without being the same?

 

[cooli3o]

To me this all just feels like an assumption that Arabic must be the greatest language because Allah chose to reveal the quran with it.


وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا بِلِسَانِ قَوْمِهِ لِيُبَيِّنَ لَهُمْ
And We have not sent any messenger except in the language of his people, that he may explain matters to them. (14:4)

Especially when Allah stated he reveals his message in many different languages.

All of those languages that Allah selected are superior, because we know Allah sent down scripture in it, we also know that not all scripture is on the same level, some are better than others, we know the Quran is the best scripture correct?
now hypothetically, if Allah sent down scripture in every language, and chose Arabic as the last and final scripture which reigns supreme over all others for every single nation who speaks every single language, clearly there is some kind of superiority with Arabic.



Now I will say I could entertain another possibility.

That is, Arabic was the best language for this religion, but there are advantages and positives to other languages, but due to the way the world works, Allah chose the Quran as Arabic ticks all the boxes for every type of person and completely conveys the message of Islam. This would mean Arabic is a perfect language for this religion and conveying Gods word and message, but other languages have advantages that Arabic doesn't, but that doesn't take away from how great Arabic is, its just the other languages have advantages.
(And I think this could most definitely be a possibility aswell)

 

[cooli3o]

arab booty clapping disguised as being a "true" muslim. a very very very dangerous idea that can be weaponized very easily.

If my malaysian friend tells me Arabic is the best language because Allah chose the Quran to be sent down in it is he Arab booty clapping?

 

[cooli3o]

According to you Arabic is perfect and if you were to change Somali to fit the Arabic requirements it would basically become Arabic.

However God revealed 3 books in 3 different languages Hebrew,Arabic and Aramaic.

They all have varying language systems.

Are all 3 perfect how can different systems be perfect without being the same?

Lets not use perfect because that word is subjective and in reality doesn't really make sense when talking about languages, by what standard is a language even perfect, one could say all standards, i haven't thought about it too much

I think about languages on a hierarchy

Arabic is better than Aramaic and Hebrew, Allah also revealed books in other languages we do not know, but there definitely is a hierarchy between them, some are better than others.

My point is Arabic is the best language on this earth.

 

[Internet Nomad]

But you realise if making the play in the most common language was at the detriment of expressing your message you realise that would take away from the perfection of your plays?

If you wanted to do your plays in a language, you would do one which would tick all boxes, otherwise lets say hypothetically no language ticks all boxes, every language has its good and bad, you would try to pick a language that suits the goal that your trying to achieve in your plays as much as possible, right?


Point is, you have a goal, and your picking a language based on that goal, I would assume the language you chose best fits what your trying to do.

Shakespeare made a bunch of new words in his play to describe what he wanted the audience to see.

If Shakespeare couldn’t be held back by the limitations of the language why would Allah be?

If for examples Allah hypothetically created a book for people to be guided by in afsomali. He could just create new words or language systems for the text to make sense.

 

[Internet Nomad]

Lets not use perfect because that word is subjective and in reality doesn't really make sense when talking about languages, by what standard is a language even perfect, one could say all standards, i haven't thought about it too much

I think about languages on a hierarchy

Arabic is better than Aramaic and Hebrew, Allah also revealed books in other languages we do not know, but there definitely is a hierarchy between them, some are better than others.

My point is Arabic is the best language on this earth.

Why have you chosen Arabic to be higher? Is it only just because it was the last one to be used?

 

[ATLbound]

arab booty clapping disguised as being a "true" muslim. a very very very dangerous idea that can be weaponized very easily.

Im convinced of this. If it was between you and an arab, these guys would sell u like a sack of potatoes. Jaanis hada lugugu helo they’d rather eff you over than the arab