HISTORY Who used to inhabit Maydh in the 16th century

[chut]

I was looking at an old thread where some people claimed Maydh used to belong to the Harti and one guy said he heard it used to belong to arabs but they ran away. Are any of these claims true?

here's the thread:

Portuguese description of Maydh in the 1500s

Apparently all the inhabitants ran away when they saw the Portuguese coming, but the Portuguese mention that there were two mosques and a school, probably a dugsi, where they had wooden boards and ink, Loox.

www.somalispot.com

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Maydh was described in the futuh al habash it was inhabited by the harti clan its where they got their gurmad from

 

[chut]

Maydh was described in the futuh al habash it was inhabited by the harti clan its where they got their gurmad from

what does gurmad mean?

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

what does gurmad mean?

Army reinforcements maydh was where the harti army in the futuh came from

 

[chut]

Army reinforcements maydh was where the harti army in the futuh came from

Were they the only clan that lived there? I thought that Isaaqs would live there since that's where sheikh Isaaqs tomb is.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Were they the only clan that lived there? I thought that Isaaqs would live there since that's where sheikh Isaaqs tomb is.

I have to go back and read the book it’s possible isaaqs could’ve been there as well

 

[Barkhadle1520]

I have to go back and read the book it’s possible isaaqs could’ve been there as well

Them coming from there doesnt mean they "owned" it or were the only ones there, thats just a stupid argument to we wuzz a tuulo

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

Them coming from there doesnt mean they "owned" it or were the only ones there, thats just a stupid argument to we wuzz a tuulo

That region is diverse historically multitude of clans originated from their according to oral history

 

[Yabal]

Harti no mention of Isaaq

 

[Guure⁸]

Futuh says harti

 

[Guure⁸]

Them coming from there doesnt mean they "owned" it or were the only ones there, thats just a stupid argument to we wuzz a tuulo

A dude was arguing with me that these harti were actually harti abgaal

 

[Zak12]

I was looking at an old thread where some people claimed Maydh used to belong to the Harti and one guy said he heard it used to belong to arabs but they ran away. Are any of these claims true?

here's the thread:

Portuguese description of Maydh in the 1500s

Apparently all the inhabitants ran away when they saw the Portuguese coming, but the Portuguese mention that there were two mosques and a school, probably a dugsi, where they had wooden boards and ink, Loox.

www.somalispot.com

If you read the thread, someone posted a source showing the Portuguese couldn't understand the language that was spoken there so Arabs obviously didn't own it.

 

[Garaad Awal]

Tribal borders are fluid. By the time of the Futuh at least the Habar Magaadle Isaaqs were in Sultanate of Adal’s heartland (Western SL aka Maroodi Jeex, Saaxil & Awdal & Ethio’s Fafaan region), which is quite apparent with how quickly they arrived in Harar before many other tribes and the large host they Branford (largest single Somali contingent to the Imam’s army.

I think the current Eastern HY are a post-Futuh Isaaq re-expansion into Western Sanaag. Eastern SL & probably Hawd is what I think the Futuh considered “Country of the Somalis”. HA’s ancestral tomb is also close by in Jidali. Western Sanaag is likely where Isaaqs or at least Habar Magaadle first formed as a clan.

 

[moosaid]

Isaaq was always there Duarte Barbosa The Portuguese visited the city in the early 16th century and said that the place had a grave site and that the local people came here to bury their dead and that it was a sacred place for them
For whom was it sacred of course. For isaaq

The book may have meant that they were close to there or he made a mistake because he was not Somali.

 

[moosaid]

Tribal borders are fluid. By the time of the Futuh at least the Habar Magaadle Isaaqs were in Sultanate of Adal’s heartland (Western SL aka Maroodi Jeex, Saaxil & Awdal & Ethio’s Fafaan region), which is quite apparent with how quickly they arrived in Harar before many other tribes and the large host they Branford (largest single Somali contingent to the Imam’s army.

I think the current Eastern HY are a post-Futuh Isaaq re-expansion into Western Sanaag. Eastern SL & probably Hawd is what I think the Futuh considered “Country of the Somalis”. HA’s ancestral tomb is also close by in Jidali. Western Sanaag is likely where Isaaqs or at least Habar Magaadle first formed as a clan.

Oral history says that when the fourth generation after the Sheikh lived, they were living on the coast and the surrounding mountains. A large army came and there were more than them and the number of Isaaq men was only 230-300, so they chose to leave the area and went West

 

[Barkhadle1520]

A dude was arguing with me that these harti were actually harti abgaal

All that to we wuz a isaq tuulo, shameless ppl

 

[Riftvalley]

Maydh could have referred to the region.

 

[Midas]

The simplest explanation is that the isaaq didnt inhabit the town till after the futuh period. Somali clans gain and lose territory all the time.

 

[chut]

The simplest explanation is that the isaaq didnt inhabit the town till after the futuh period. Somali clans gain and lose territory all the time.

So would that mean that sheikh Isaaqs tomb was made after the futuh period?

 

[Ugas.Wacays]

So would that mean that sheikh Isaaqs tomb was made after the futuh period?

No the graves were mentioned before the the Adal war they thought it was a masjiid.
They mentioned two old graves ( Issasq,Ciise) who are both buried in maydh.