Who Owns Mogadishu?

[Cam]

You want the benefits of centralism while having federalism. You cant have both, you gotta choose.

Waryaa we were bombed and invaded by foreign troops, we lived under terrorist organisation and god knows what other horrors we lived through. All of that because xamar was the capital. Now that peace and normal life is returning to the capital and its time to enjoy the "benefits" of being capital you want to take it away. After we suffered under the "benefits" of being the capital.



In every country its normal for ppl of the capital to have senators and them electing their mayors/governors. Not runned by President who will sell Muqdisho cheap to get re-elected. You think Hawiye and reer Xamar of Muqdisho give a shit if few hundred thousand Somalis from other regions come to live with them. We are used to being a cosmopolitan city, its not about that. We just dont like how we are not represented in the upper house and we cant elect our leaders.

By the way capital city is symbolic in a federated country. There is no reason for it to represent everyone. If you are advocating for federalism based on qabiil then accept the fact that where ever you move the capital to its a tribal land.

I actually haven't advocated for either. They're both failures on a grand scale. Federalism only works for places like PL and SL with similar clan demographics. Centralism with equal focus on all regions might work. The previous focus on Xamar was a big qasaaro.
Either way Xamar needs to get back to what it was in the past but I don't see thag happening anytime soon.

 

[Doctor farxaan]

All Somali people. Hawiyes cant claim as just their own if they want it to be the capital of Somalia

 

[Ahlubayt]

kaneeco kuma nooleen muqdisho, it looked like a ghost town.
look how muqdisho looked prioir and during TFG and and Amisom era.

when amisom brought in law and order and liberated Muqdisho from the terrorist

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when the Somali government came to muqdisho, HAG were ok and happy with it.
During the carte conference, it was decided Muqdisho will still be the capital, after everything that happened previous ( the civil wars).

The government moved in, many jobs came along,gov contract, the airport, port,road,some of the gov building, were renovated.
people, investors and etc came back to Muqdisho. Billions were spent on restoring muqdisho.

Capital cities around the world normally serve as the prime economic, population, cultural, or intellectual centres of a nation, now you want to claim as a HAG capital. caqli dameer "you can't have your cake and eat it".

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Hahaha when HSM was the president your excuse was he is qabiilist, when a Daarood is the president its because the capital city is Hawiye land. You dont obey FGS for three reasons.

1. FGS is against your interests.
2. You want to act as a country.
3. Your corrupt leaders dont want to be held accountable by other instutions than those who they control.

These are the reasons PL admin dont obey FGS not because Muqdisho is Hawiye land. If you are going to lie make it believable.

Once again in a federated country the capital city is just symbolic there is absolutely no reason for it to represent everyone. You have representation in your own state. And the ppl of the capital will have their own representation. Why is it so hard for ppl who cry FGS is corrupt and incompetent to understand this? You want the "corrupt" and "incompetent" FGS to be sole representative of 3 million ppl. And you want us to believe you care what is best for this country.

What ppl of Banaadir want is someone who will look after their interests first. PL, GM, HS, SWS and JL have administrations that will ensure that their interests is served. Right now Banaadir is runned by the president who is supposed to represent everyone and their interests. How can the president serve Muqdisho and everyone?

What you are suggesting is just jaahilnimo. You have ppl who represent your interests but you want to deny that right from others. Wallee I wonder why Hawiye even believe in Soomalinimo when we share country with such greedy, selfish bastards.

Wow wow wow slow your pace i didn't read further then we you mentioned PL. PL is free from most of the BS xamar spills out. She gave Xamar it's powerback and cleared AS out. Don't FKD PL thank her for the great service she provided with the help of others respectively. That is all for now.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Dont you understand that its the federal parliament that said all of Mudug and all of Galgaduud will form the state called Galmudug. Federation process gave Mudug to Galmudug.

PL is just as illegal because its borders are not based on the old 18 region. Yaab wlh so slow.

But Puntland doesn't need to make the requirements. Those are for the new states not the ones formed before the fgs.

 

[towerheist]

kaneeco kuma nooleen muqdisho, it looked like a ghost town.
look how muqdisho looked prioir and during TFG and and Amisom era.

when amisom brought in law and order and liberated Muqdisho from the terrorist

.

when the Somali government came to muqdisho, HAG were ok and happy with it.
During the carte conference, it was decided Muqdisho will still be the capital, after everything that happened previous ( the civil wars).

The government moved in, many jobs came along,gov contract, the airport, port,road,some of the gov building, were renovated.
people, investors and etc came back to Muqdisho. Billions were spent on restoring muqdisho.

Capital cities around the world normally serve as the prime economic, population, cultural, or intellectual centres of a nation, now you want to claim as a HAG capital. caqli dameer "you can't have your cake and eat it".

Muqdisho bussiness community finances the FGS, they pay the salaries of SNA they even finance other Federal Memberstates and other institutions, now we just want to elect our own leaders and have a say in the Senate. You are trying to make it sound like Muqdisho isnt contributing to Somalia while they are litterally the only ones doing it.

What pisses us of is when we cant have say how the tax money is spent or who is the mayor of Muqdisho and who runs degmooyinka in Banaadir. What we are asking for is a right the constitution guarantees us. What you want is illegal. And ones again in a federal system the capital is symboloc it has no real power, there is no reason for it to represent everyone.

Berlin is the capital of Germany and also its own state. Same with Spain, I dont understand where you xoolos get the idea that the capital should represent everyone in a federal system.

States of Germany and the capital Berlin as its own state

States of Spain, and the capital Madrid as its own state.

Federal systems are meant to keep the capital symbolic and everyone represented in their own regions. You want the benefits of centralism while the country is runned on federal system

 

[Ras]

If turn Banaadir into a federal state it can't be controlled through the traditional clan system.

It has to be purely democracy - one person per vote.

Hawkeye that live there GTE their vote and so do other inhabitants as more of us return there.

 

[towerheist]

If turn Banaadir into a federal state it can't be controlled through the traditional clan system.

It has to be purely democracy - one person per vote.

Hawkeye that live there GTE their vote and so do other inhabitants as more of us return there.

I agree on 1 man 1 vote, but every state not just Banaadir.

 

[FBIsomalia]

I agree on 1 man 1 vote, but every state not just Banaadir.

You have a great confidence of your clan number lool. You should rethink twice on this, Cause after 1991 the most dead on the civil war was your clan. So rethink again lool.

 

[Jiron]

It is owned by the citizens of Somalia, not just the capital but everywhere else too

 

[towerheist]

You have a great confidence of your clan number lool. You should rethink twice on this, Cause after 1991 the most dead on the civil war was your clan. So rethink again lool.

No need to worry, my qabiil is blessed with quality and quantity. In 1 man 1 vote its going to be about ideas, connections, diplomacy and hard work. All areas that my qabiil, the blessed Mudulood reign supreme.

You should be worried about your ridiculously bloated population figueres.

 

[Ras]

I agree on 1 man 1 vote, but every state not just Banaadir.

I agree but the Banaadir state needs it more since 90% of investments are based there.