Who Owns Mogadishu?

[FBIsomalia]

Who Owns Mogadishu?

This is a question many Somalis ask each other whenever a certain politician brings up the status of Mogadishu in a federal Somalia.

Yesterday Abdulqadir Osoble, a Somali MP from Mogadishu, delivered an impassioned speech. He said they will convene a consultative conference on the status of Mogadishu. “We cannot accept the use of text messages or tweets for the appointment or sacking of a Mogadishu governor” he added. Osoble, who ran for the Somali presidency in 2012 and 2017, warned against what he describes as efforts to resurrect the Somali Revolutionary Socialist Party. Osoble particularly took issue with Patriotic Forces, a non-governmental group of activists in Mogadishu.

A Mogadishu thoroughfare
Osoble said that the former military government with heavy weapons failed to impose its will on people. It did not bother him that the current occupant of Villa Somali is related to the late military leader, Barre, clanwise. What makes Osoble’s remarks different from remarks made by other politicians is that he toned down the rhetoric on the ownership of the capital city, “in which people from all Somalia’s clans live.” This extension of ownership rights is a clever trick. Governor of Mogadishu and district chairmen belong to the same clan as Osoble’s . His call would carry more weight if MPs from other Somali clans were present at the meeting to ram home the message that Mogadishu is a capital city for all and that no clan has the privilege claim Mogadishu as a stronghold. The Draft Constitution does limit the role of Mogadishu to that of a seat for the Federal Government. If Mogadishu gains a federal status— meaning a clan or a consortium of clans will decide who become a governor— then it will have to lose the capital city status. Osoble and his friends cannot have their cake and it too.

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[FBIsomalia]

Its seems hawiya start to fight back PL on who own the capital. Capital should be the city that represent all citizen of the nation. If hawiya clan didn't hand over Xamar and refuse. We should take out the ownership of the capital and create new one. I would say Hargisa since its the second capital of the nation let us go there and add other xafaads for other clans to live there.

 

[Lex Luther]

Its seems hawiya start to fight back PL on who own the capital. Capital should be the city that represent all citizen of the nation. If hawiya clan didn't hand over Xamar and refuse. We should take out the ownership of the capital and create new one. I would say Hargisa since its the second capital of the nation let us go there and add other xafaads for other clans to live there.

In politics it's usually those with money and that have Monopoly of violence that will have the final say, so far Mogadishu under Farmaajo is gaining tractor and is showing to be the winning horse.

N&N really brought centralism back from coma, so I doubt Banaadir will ever be an independent state.

Mogadishu is seat of Somaloweyn not goof (land) Hawiye.

 

[DR OSMAN]

In politics it's usually those with money and that have Monopoly of violence that will have the final say, so far Mogadishu under Farmaajo is gaining tractor and is showing to be the winning horse.

N&N really brought centralism back from coma, so I doubt Banaadir will ever be an independent state.

Mogadishu is seat of Somaloweyn not goof (land) Hawiye.

The money route is banned in western worlds, cause it doesn't bring about lasting solution. They use negiotation more then bribes. They prefer something that sticks and holds for centuries and money simple doesn't do that. Cuz in 4 years another person will buy u out and ur in that constant loop like GM/HS/KGS is while JL isn't as they have constitution and elder INSURING it and why HSM failed with barre hiraale incursion, why FARMAJO will fail in JL also. Its not baydhabo sxb or cadaado meeshani DAROD WAA KA HEESHIYAY SIYASADOODA GUUD DALKA SOMALIA EVEN MAREHAN.

A centralist cant rule DAROD LANDS, he will be chased out in JL OR PL if he dares come with that shit as the elders rise up and the constitution is INVOKED. That's why PL is solid and JL is solid. Darod are politically stable sxb, they will take ya money and bribes but then just elect a federalist in power in JL OR PL at all times as they know what will happen on the ground if people go against the constitution binding them together and the elders who BACK IT INCLUDING MAREHAN

 

[DR OSMAN]

In politics it's usually those with money and that have Monopoly of violence that will have the final say, so far Mogadishu under Farmaajo is gaining tractor and is showing to be the winning horse.

N&N really brought centralism back from coma, so I doubt Banaadir will ever be an independent state.

Mogadishu is seat of Somaloweyn not goof (land) Hawiye.

It's well known Hawiye sharaf wuxu ku laha somali ku dhex jirkeeda, hada xoolo ayuu ku soo baxay. Look at them not a single unfied hawiye policy, not even HG has unified policy, not even abgaal. When federalist win and gets more money, he will pluck out federalist HG or Abgaal and the war starts again on changing centralist left overs from the previous administration ma garatay? it's continous cycle while shabab is saying I WANT HAWIYE BLOOD also. That's what happen markaysan beelahu aysan heeshin wala wasa

 

[DR OSMAN]

In politics it's usually those with money and that have Monopoly of violence that will have the final say, so far Mogadishu under Farmaajo is gaining tractor and is showing to be the winning horse.

N&N really brought centralism back from coma, so I doubt Banaadir will ever be an independent state.

Mogadishu is seat of Somaloweyn not goof (land) Hawiye.

How hard is it for you as a clan to sit down and say this how we envision somalia as WHOLE clan not a siyasi level, but the clan as a whole and any politician who comes must never change that policy and his duties are limited to only development, security, region to region relations, etc. How hard is this for hawiye sxb? 30 years and u cant even do such a simple thing. Develop a constitution and have all isimo involved to ensure its representative of the clan and that's it NOONE WILL f*ck WITH HAWIYE, WA MIDAYSAN YAHAY MA ISKHILAFSANA. I DONT HAVE TO PICK UP XAAF WHEN I BECOME PRESIDENT AND SAY GET RID OF THAT DULI FARMAJO LEFT BEHIND WHILE U GET STUCK IN THE CROSS FIRE KEEP ROTATING BASED ON MOGADISHU NO POLITICAL AGREEMENT

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Lex Luther The coward never fights back with the doctor cause he knows I know hawiye cause I sit in and listen to hawiye politics between my abtis and I know ur situation very well.

 

[AarLibaax]

Abdiqadir Osoble

Muqdisho can't be The Capital & a Federal state. Guys like him play on tribal kutiri kuteen to get back their long lost isbaaro

 

[TheAnswer]

Hawyie have very little to do with Mogadishu. They are just a backward barbarian tribe that lived on the outskirts of the city, while the city itself has always been cosmopolitan. When Ibn Battuta visited the city in the 1330s, he described it as so, with a Berber leader and inhabitants who spoke Arabic in addition to the local dialect. Persians, Arabs, Italians and many outside groups have worked to enrich the culture of Mogadishu. And people from many Somali clans, and the multi-clan previous governments. Perhaps the people who have contributed the least to Mogadishu's history, and the most to its destruction, are the ones who so frequently scream their supposed ownership of the city. But what can you expect from barbarians.

 

[towerheist]

Nowhere in the draft constitution does it say that capital city should be under FGS permanently, nor does the constitution suggest that Mogadishu should be the seat of all Somalis. We dont follow the whims and wishes of you baboons who think Muqdisho is yours because its the capital.

If you want qabiil federalism, you have to accept that every inch of Somalia is tribal land. Your vision of what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine is what will lead to the downfall of this country. If you want Muqdisho to be the seat of the Somali nation, ditch federalism. Only centralised nationstates need a capital where everyone live together. It is clear that you ppl who want Muqdisho as a piggybag want federalism. You cant have both.

Draft constitution is clear about how every inch of Somalia should be federated. It is clear how Federal member states borders should be based on the old 18 administartive regios. But we know that PL is violating that right now by not accepting the fact that North Mudug should be part of Galmudug state. If old gobols can be partitioned between Federal states, it also means that 1 region can stand alone and become FMS.

The constitution is clearly on the side of Muqdisho being part of a federal member state. There is no legislation backing up your greedy views. Im sorry but Muqdisho is a tribal land just as is every inch of Somalia accept that fact or come back to centralism.

 

[towerheist]

Hawyie have very little to do with Mogadishu. They are just a backward barbarian tribe that lived on the outskirts of the city, while the city itself has always been cosmopolitan. When Ibn Battuta visited the city in the 1330s, he described it as so, with a Berber leader and inhabitants who spoke Arabic in addition to the local dialect. Persians, Arabs, Italians and many outside groups have worked to enrich the culture of Mogadishu. And people from many Somali clans, and the multi-clan previous governments. Perhaps the people who have contributed the least to Mogadishu's history, and the most to its destruction, are the ones who so frequently scream their supposed ownership of the city. But what can you expect from barbarians.

B00ns dont know how to build anything Ghetto is a prime examble of that.

 

[FBIsomalia]

No where in the draft constitution does it say that capital city should be under FGS permanently, nor does the constitution suggest that Mogadishu should be the seat of all Somalis. We dont follow the whims and wishes of you baboons who think Muqdisho is yours because its the capital.

If you want qabiil federalism, you have to accept that every inch of Somalia is tribal land. Your vision of what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine is what will lead to the downfall of this country. If you want Muqdisho to be the seat of the Somali nation, ditch federalism. Only centralised nationstates need a capital where everyone live together. It is clear that you ppl who want Muqdisho as a piggybag want federalism. You cant have both.

Draft constitution is clear about how every inch of Somalia should be federated. It is clear how Federal member states borders should be based on the old 18 administartive regios. But we know that PL is violating that right now by not accepting the fact that North Mudug should be part of Galmudug state. If old gobols can be partitioned between Federal states, it also means that 1 region can stand alone and become FMS.
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The constitution is clearly on the side of Muqdisho being part of a fedderal member state. There is no legislation backing up your greedy views. Im sorry but Muqdisho is a tribal land just as is every inch of Somalia accept that fact or come back to centralism.

No problem. Xamar will not be Capital anymore.

 

[towerheist]

No problem. Xamar will not be Capital anymore.

What is the legal argument?

 

[FBIsomalia]

What is the legal argument?

Capital represent all nation citizen living in country called Somalia. Check your country Neighbors such as Ethiopia and Kenya or any other country. No place in the world there is capital represent by one clan or by one tribe. Your clan will not take two things on one basket. You want xamar ok the capital states will move to another place somalis will choice or go back from you came from before 1991 and each clan of somalia goes to its xaafaad, then xamar will became capital of Somalia. Two choice is yours to chose. Simple!.

 

[towerheist]

Capital represent all nation citizen living in country called Somalia. Check your country Neighbors such as Ethiopia and Kenya or any other country. No place in the world there is capital represent by one clan or by one tribe. Your clan will not take two things on one basket. You want xamar ok the capital states will move to another place somalis will choice or go back from you came from before 1991 and each clan of somalia goes to its xaafaad, then xamar will became capital of Somalia. Two choice is yours to chose. Simple!.

Kenya is a centralised nation, not federated one. Ethiopia is a one party dictatorship. Eritrea and Djibouti has been runned by a dictator for 30 years. If you want Ethiopias version of federalism where the capital city has the supreme authority, where FGS can take out any disobeying governors, is it federalism or centralism? Bad examples.

And ones again look at other countries isnt a legal argument. Accept the fact that federalism means every inch of Somalia is federated including the capital.

 

[FBIsomalia]

Kenya is a centralised nation, not federated one. Ethiopia is a one party dictatorship. Eritrea and Djibouti has been runned by a dictator for 30 years. If you want Ethiopias version of federalism where the capital city has the supreme authority, where FGS can take out any disobeying governors, is it federalism or centralism? Bad examples.

And ones again look at other countries isnt a legal argument. Accept the fact that federalism means every inch of Somalia is federated including the capital.

Why other state disobey cause Xamar is hawiya city in our eyes. Xamar should the point that all clan share and united no matter centralism or federalism. Xamar condition will be as it is when all clan of somalia decide about it.

 

[towerheist]

Why other state disobey cause Xamar is hawiya city in our eyes. Xamar should the point that all clan share and united no matter centralism or federalism. Xamar condition will be as it is when all clan of somalia decide about it.

Hahaha when HSM was the president your excuse was he is qabiilist, when a Daarood is the president its because the capital city is Hawiye land. You dont obey FGS for three reasons.

1. FGS is against your interests.
2. You want to act as a country.
3. Your corrupt leaders dont want to be held accountable by other instutions than those who they control.

These are the reasons PL admin dont obey FGS not because Muqdisho is Hawiye land. If you are going to lie make it believable.

Once again in a federated country the capital city is just symbolic there is absolutely no reason for it to represent everyone. You have representation in your own state. And the ppl of the capital will have their own representation. Why is it so hard for ppl who cry FGS is corrupt and incompetent to understand this? You want the "corrupt" and "incompetent" FGS to be sole representative of 3 million ppl. And you want us to believe you care what is best for this country.

What ppl of Banaadir want is someone who will look after their interests first. PL, GM, HS, SWS and JL have administrations that will ensure that their interests is served. Right now Banaadir is runned by the president who is supposed to represent everyone and their interests. How can the president serve Muqdisho and everyone?

What you are suggesting is just jaahilnimo. You have ppl who represent your interests but you want to deny that right from others. Wallee I wonder why Hawiye even believe in Soomalinimo when we share country with such greedy, selfish bastards.

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Nowhere in the draft constitution does it say that capital city should be under FGS permanently, nor does the constitution suggest that Mogadishu should be the seat of all Somalis. We dont follow the whims and wishes of you baboons who think Muqdisho is yours because its the capital.

If you want qabiil federalism, you have to accept that every inch of Somalia is tribal land. Your vision of what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine is what will lead to the downfall of this country. If you want Muqdisho to be the seat of the Somali nation, ditch federalism. Only centralised nationstates need a capital where everyone live together. It is clear that you ppl who want Muqdisho as a piggybag want federalism. You cant have both.

Draft constitution is clear about how every inch of Somalia should be federated. It is clear how Federal member states borders should be based on the old 18 administartive regios. But we know that PL is violating that right now by not accepting the fact that North Mudug should be part of Galmudug state. If old gobols can be partitioned between Federal states, it also means that 1 region can stand alone and become FMS.
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The constitution is clearly on the side of Muqdisho being part of a federal member state. There is no legislation backing up your greedy views. Im sorry but Muqdisho is a tribal land just as is every inch of Somalia accept that fact or come back to centralism.

Eeboow, then demand to move the capital. You cant have it both ways

 

[towerheist]

Eeboow, then demand to move the capital. You cant have it both ways

Boowe dont you understand that isnt an option because every inch of Somalia will be federated. Why would we accept to move the capital to another tribal land?

 

[Mckenzie]

Hahaha when HSM was the president your excuse was he is qabiilist, when a Daarood is the president its because the capital city is Hawiye land. You dont obey FGS for three reasons.

1. FGS is against your interests.
2. You want to act as a country.
3. Your corrupt leaders dont want to be held accountable by other instutions than those who they control.

These are the reasons PL admin dont obey FGS not because Muqdisho is Hawiye land. If you are going to lie make it believable.

Once again in a federated country the capital city is just symbolic there is absolutely no reason for it to represent everyone. You have representation in your own state. And the ppl of the capital will have their own representation. Why is it so hard for ppl who cry FGS is corrupt and incompetent to understand this? You want the "corrupt" and "incompetent" FGS to be sole representative of 3 million ppl. And you want us to believe you care what is best for this country.

What ppl of Banaadir want is someone who will look after their interests first. PL, GM, HS, SWS and JL have administrations that will ensure that their interests is served. Right now Banaadir is runned by the president who is supposed to represent everyone and their interests. How can the president serve Muqdisho and everyone?

What you are suggesting is just jaahilnimo. You have ppl who represent your interests but you want to deny that right from others. Wallee I wonder why Hawiye even believe in Soomalinimo when we share country with such greedy, selfish bastards.

They only understand bullets. Hala laayo simple as that