What will happen to your pre-Islamic Somali ancestors?

[ArchBishopofAtheism]

I told you from the start don't bother with the Hadith you're only wasting your own energy.

Show me the Quran verse that tells you to pray five times a day in the right order. Go! If not, you shouldn't be praying since it's not in the Quran.

 

[embarassing]

Show me the Quran verse that tells you to pray five times a day in the right order. Go! If not, you shouldn't be praying since it's not in the Quran.

First admit you were wrong instead of jumping to something else.

 

[Ferrari]

Prove it. And the fact that he allegedly says that isn't proof.

Proof he didn't create u.

 

[ArchBishopofAtheism]

First admit you were wrong instead of jumping to something else.

I was absolutely right. I showed you the hadith about the mass murder of Jews in Khaybar, then Quran verses that confirm those events. You're the moron that closed his/her eyes to it.

 

[ArchBishopofAtheism]

Proof he didn't create u.

Evolution. A man and a woman weren't created as the "first people". People evolved from an earlier species. There is cave art from 40,000 years ago. Tell me you don't believe in evolution.

 

[embarassing]

I was absolutely right. I showed you the hadith about the mass murder of Jews in Khaybar, then Quran verses that confirm those events. You're the moron that closed his/her eyes to it.

I don't care about your hadiths, and the Quran does not confirm 900 unarmed people were killed sorry.

 

[Nawal]

It doesn't matter where you lived people learn that bs all over the world. It's some Arab supremacy nonsense to believe you have to support an evil person who is Muslim in name over a righteous non-muslim. There is no basis for any of that in the Quran. Learn what shirk is first. I briefly explained it already.

Arab supremacy is beside the point. You couldn't argue the fact that shirk OR denying allah is more grave than any other sin. You keep repeating allah made it clear to you.....well that's very nonsensical, but if it makes sense to you than that's fine.

 

[ArchBishopofAtheism]

I don't care about your hadiths, and the Quran does not confirm 900 unarmed people were killed sorry.

Just so you know, not believing in hadiths is not an acceptable thing in your religion. Prayer 5 times a day comes from hadiths. You are going to hell.

 

[Ferrari]

Evolution. A man and a woman weren't created as the "first people". People evolved from an earlier species. There is cave art from 40,000 years ago. Tell me you don't believe in evolution.

Isn't evolution just a theory? One that could be discarded tomorrow and changed?

 

[embarassing]

Arab supremacy is beside the point. You couldn't argue the fact that shirk OR denying allah is more grave than any other sin. You keep repeating allah made it clear to you.....well that's very nonsensical, but if it makes sense to you than that's fine.

It's not beside the point it's clearly what you were taught.

It's not nonsensical it's a simple concept repeated many times in the Quran, you said you were raised learning about it you should know. A kafir is someone who rejects the truth when it's made clear to them out of arrogance, your confusion is assuming all non-Muslims are kuffar. They're not, the example of a kafir is in the Quran e.i. Firawn. I believe only Allah swt knows who are true kafirs and it could be anyone no matter what they were born into. So no your initial issue is what's nonsensical and has no basis in the Quran.

 

[embarassing]

Just so you know, not believing in hadiths is not an acceptable thing in your religion. Prayer 5 times a day comes from hadiths. You are going to hell.

You are an embarrassment to all atheists with your arguements. Take archbishop out of your name.

Anyway this is boring now, I'm done.

 

[ArchBishopofAtheism]

Isn't evolution just a theory? One that could be discarded tomorrow and changed?

Not really. It's describing logical physical phenomena. In the 1960s, scientists in Croatia relocated a species of lizard from the mountains of Croatia to an Italian island. Over time, the lizards developed physical characteristics in order to cope with their new environment. They developed a new digestive system to help with their new diet and new camouflage. Why do think this wouldn't have happened to people?

Another good example is how viruses work. When a medicine kills a virus, the vast majority die except for a few that have unique features for survival. They will replace the old virus and when you try the same medicine, they are immune to it. If it happens on the micro scale, it definitely happens on the macro scale. And if happens on the macro scale, it definitely affects humans.

 

[Nawal]

It's not beside the point it's clearly what you were taught.

It's not nonsensical it's a simple concept repeated many times in the Quran, you said you were raised learning about it you should know. A kafir is someone who rejects the truth when it's made clear to them out of arrogance, your confusion is assuming all non-Muslims are kuffar. They're not, the example of a kafir is in the Quran e.i. Firawn. I believe only Allah swt knows who are true kafirs and it could be anyone no matter what they were born into. So no your initial issue is what's nonsensical and has no basis in the Quran.

I know the difference between a kufar and a non Muslim. That's why I said it doesn't make sense why a kuffar will be doomed to hell forever just because they deny god exists.

 

[Nawal]

Not really. It's describing logical physical phenomena. In the 1960s, scientists in Croatia relocated a species of lizard from the mountains of Croatia to an Italian island. Over time, the lizards developed physical characteristics in order to cope with their new environment. They developed a new digestive system to help with their new diet and new camouflage. Why do think this wouldn't have happened to people?

Another good example is how viruses work. When a medicine kills a virus, the vast majority die except for a few that have unique features for survival. They will replace the old virus and when you try the same medicine, they are immune to it. If it happens on the micro scale, it definitely happens on the macro scale. And if happens on the macro scale, it definitely affects humans.

I loved studying about evolution, were you a bio major by any chance?

 

[ArchBishopofAtheism]

I love studying about evolution, were you a bio major by any chance?

No I haven't gone to college/uni for bio but I enjoy studying it. There's an abundance of information online, more than you'd find in any school. I just enrich my understanding of the universe with it.

 

[embarassing]

I know the difference between a kufar and a non Muslim. That's why I said it doesn't make sense why a kuffar will be doomed to hell forever just because they deny god exists.

I don't think you understand what a kafir is

 

[Noir]

There are millions of Muslim believers in the world because fairytales make people think happy thoughts. However, Islam is a series of myths, fables and mistruths with a shady, sordid history that should not be overlooked.
You are supposed to believe that Islam fosters goodwill, empathy and sympathy because, well, Allah is love and all that other blah, blah. However, the quran is a tomb of immorality run amok and Allah is not innocent. His "Word" allows slavery, the killing of homosexuals and adulterers, the selling of children, sanctions torture and starting legitimate and justified holy wars in name!

Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told.Religion,in this case Islam is doing what you are told regardless of what is right!
You Muslims ever stop and think about this? Or is that you get excited by the thought of no acceptance of responsibility?

Allah gives people free will and then punishes(sends them to a torture hell,wow Allah,your nasty!) all those who don't believe in his vague quran recited by some random Arab warlord in the 7th century.You would think it would be about time for a new prophet,won't you? Since weren't in the fucking 7th century anymore!

Muslims will claim that everything happens for a reason and that it’s all part of some mysterious plan that Allah has for us, while simultaneously asserting that suffering, sin and evil are a result of free will.Huh!? Those are not compatible beliefs. If Allah has a plan for me, I have no free will to choose, and if I have free will, then Allah is not an all knowing and all powerful deity making things happen in my life.

However, let’s assume for argument's sake that everything that happens in life is a result of Allah’s plan. In that case, Allah is a sadist. There's murder, death, destruction, disease, cancer, HIV, Alzheimer’s, Sodom and Gomorrah, the Black Plague,etc...
It appears besides loving his creation, Allah enjoys finding creative and inventive new ways to kill it.

Islam likes to pass itself off as loving, caring and generous, but this is nonsense. The truth is, Islam is proliferated through fear, fear of death, the devil, threats of punishment and going to hell. This is not an attempt to appeal to logic or reason, but to instill a sense of terror and cowardice by focusing on the horrific deaths of nonbelievers. Faith is a substitute for independent thought and individual courage.

If Allah invented the world and everything in it, then logic would dictate he also created the serpent, evil and sin. Which means he is culpable for the Holocaust and the genocides in Rwanda, Cambodia, Circassia, Armenia, Croatia, Sudan, Burundi and Nanking, to name a few. Obviously, if Allah does exist, he is an absentee father who just doesn’t care about you. He is a callous, vengeful and contemptible monster.

Do you know what Horus, Attis, Mithra, Krishna, Dionysus,Jesus and Mohammed all have in common? Just about everything. From the virgin birth, miracles and being spoken to by the TRUE god, they are all the same with only minor variations from culture to culture, but the basics of the messiah myth never change. So there is nothing unique about Mohammed, the newest member of the Messiah Club, and like the others, he too will be replaced by a shinier, new version.

Islam is nothing but amalgamations and plagiarized versions of earlier religions.There is nothing original contained in the quran texts that the world hadn’t already been introduced too.So, Islam is like Quentin Tarantino. Steal the good parts and call it original!

Why didn't Allah bother explain about our planet,solar system,the Local Interstellar Cloud,the Local Bubble,Interstellar Neighborhood,Milky Way Galaxy,Local Galactic Group,Virgo Supercluster,Local Superclusters and the Observable Universe?
He could've shown Mohammed this picture in his head and left behind a drawing in the quran. ROFL

The main idea is that due to the evidence of design, there must be a designer,in this case Allah.However, what constitutes evidence for design? And if there was a designer,in this case Allah,then he was terrible at his job. Useless human organs prove that, which leads one to conclude that humans have simply evolved beyond needing them, not that Allah made a mistake. Of course, if Allah made a mistake, how could he be trusted in the first place?

Everything is attributable to Allah’s will, so who are we to question it, is the basic tenant used by people to shirk from responsibility. You shouldn’t worry about all the bad things that keep happening, because Allah wants them to happen. So sit back, relax, have a Coke, smile and wait for Allah to decide human death is no longer entertaining and brings the Rapture! Muslims are too busy turning the other cheek.

What does all that preaching, praying, chanting, kneeling, groveling, fasting and rituals get you? Nothing! There is no evidence that any of these activities have ever produced a positive result.

Some of the worst judgmental people you will ever meet are religious, and yes, they are judging you for not being religious as if you just killed a litter of kittens. And let’s not forget the egotistical arrogance involved in believing you are special and blessed because you are religious. What makes you so special that Allah singled you out for blessing but gave the middle finger to the starving children in Africa?

Nothing helps keep the poor in a state of poverty quite like religion and that is by design. You think Constantine decided Christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire because he believed? That’s funny. Religion keeps people in intellectual shackles and chains them to subservience. The meek will inherit the earth because they can’t afford better coffins to keep the earth out.

Religion is the greatest form of nation control ever invented. With its authoritarian hierarchies it creates mindless sheep who doubt their own intellect and put their lives in the hands of external entities. It hides behind the idea of faith, mysteries, confusion and incongruencies. All of which are not to be questioned or you should upset the invisible man in the sky. Religions are cults, only with better publicists.

Everyone likes a good fantasy,Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy and Mohammed,but that’s all they are. There is no club in heaven where your dead relatives are hanging out waiting for your arrival.

Look, no one wants to die, but belief in heaven is a coping mechanism, not a real place.

 

[Nawal]

I don't think you understand what a kafir is

Kaffir is someone who "arrogantly" rejects the truth. Someone who rejects allah and all his messengers. Not all non Muslims are kafir and only those who reject the truth out of arrogance are kaffirs. So tell me how do I have it confused? Either way I see nothing wrong with kaffirs and it makes no sense for them to eternally burn in hell fire for simply rejecting the "truth".

 

[embarassing]

There are millions of Muslim believers in the world because fairytales make people think happy thoughts. However, Islam is a series of myths, fables and mistruths with a shady, sordid history that should not be overlooked.
You are supposed to believe that Islam fosters goodwill, empathy and sympathy because, well, Allah is love and all that other blah, blah. However, the quran is a tomb of immorality run amok and Allah is not innocent. His "Word" allows slavery, the killing of homosexuals and adulterers, the selling of children, sanctions torture and starting legitimate and justified holy wars in name!

Morality is doing what is right regardless of what you are told.Religion,in this case Islam is doing what you are told regardless of what is right!
You Muslims ever stop and think about this? Or is that you get excited by the thought of no acceptance of responsibility?

Allah gives people free will and then punishes(sends them to a torture hell,wow Allah,your nasty!) all those who don't believe in his vague quran recited by some random Arab warlord in the 7th century.You would think it would be about time for a new prophet,won't you? Since weren't in the fucking 7th century anymore!

Muslims will claim that everything happens for a reason and that it’s all part of some mysterious plan that Allah has for us, while simultaneously asserting that suffering, sin and evil are a result of free will.Huh!? Those are not compatible beliefs. If Allah has a plan for me, I have no free will to choose, and if I have free will, then Allah is not an all knowing and all powerful deity making things happen in my life.

However, let’s assume for argument's sake that everything that happens in life is a result of Allah’s plan. In that case, Allah is a sadist. There's murder, death, destruction, disease, cancer, HIV, Alzheimer’s, Sodom and Gomorrah, the Black Plague,etc...
It appears besides loving his creation, Allah enjoys finding creative and inventive new ways to kill it.

Islam likes to pass itself off as loving, caring and generous, but this is nonsense. The truth is, Islam is proliferated through fear, fear of death, the devil, threats of punishment and going to hell. This is not an attempt to appeal to logic or reason, but to instill a sense of terror and cowardice by focusing on the horrific deaths of nonbelievers. Faith is a substitute for independent thought and individual courage.

If Allah invented the world and everything in it, then logic would dictate he also created the serpent, evil and sin. Which means he is culpable for the Holocaust and the genocides in Rwanda, Cambodia, Circassia, Armenia, Croatia, Sudan, Burundi and Nanking, to name a few. Obviously, if Allah does exist, he is an absentee father who just doesn’t care about you. He is a callous, vengeful and contemptible monster.

Do you know what Horus, Attis, Mithra, Krishna, Dionysus,Jesus and Mohammed all have in common? Just about everything. From the virgin birth, miracles and being spoken to by the TRUE god, they are all the same with only minor variations from culture to culture, but the basics of the messiah myth never change. So there is nothing unique about Mohammed, the newest member of the Messiah Club, and like the others, he too will be replaced by a shinier, new version.

Islam is nothing but amalgamations and plagiarized versions of earlier religions.There is nothing original contained in the quran texts that the world hadn’t already been introduced too.So, Islam is like Quentin Tarantino. Steal the good parts and call it original!

Why didn't Allah bother explain about our planet,solar system,the Local Interstellar Cloud,the Local Bubble,Interstellar Neighborhood,Milky Way Galaxy,Local Galactic Group,Virgo Supercluster,Local Superclusters and the Observable Universe?
He could've shown Mohammed this picture in his head and left behind a drawing in the quran. ROFL

The main idea is that due to the evidence of design, there must be a designer,in this case Allah.However, what constitutes evidence for design? And if there was a designer,in this case Allah,then he was terrible at his job. Useless human organs prove that, which leads one to conclude that humans have simply evolved beyond needing them, not that Allah made a mistake. Of course, if Allah made a mistake, how could he be trusted in the first place?

Everything is attributable to Allah’s will, so who are we to question it, is the basic tenant used by people to shirk from responsibility. You shouldn’t worry about all the bad things that keep happening, because Allah wants them to happen. So sit back, relax, have a Coke, smile and wait for Allah to decide human death is no longer entertaining and brings the Rapture! Muslims are too busy turning the other cheek.

What does all that preaching, praying, chanting, kneeling, groveling, fasting and rituals get you? Nothing! There is no evidence that any of these activities have ever produced a positive result.

Some of the worst judgmental people you will ever meet are religious, and yes, they are judging you for not being religious as if you just killed a litter of kittens. And let’s not forget the egotistical arrogance involved in believing you are special and blessed because you are religious. What makes you so special that Allah singled you out for blessing but gave the middle finger to the starving children in Africa?

Nothing helps keep the poor in a state of poverty quite like religion and that is by design. You think Constantine decided Christianity was the official religion of the Roman Empire because he believed? That’s funny. Religion keeps people in intellectual shackles and chains them to subservience. The meek will inherit the earth because they can’t afford better coffins to keep the earth out.

Religion is the greatest form of nation control ever invented. With its authoritarian hierarchies it creates mindless sheep who doubt their own intellect and put their lives in the hands of external entities. It hides behind the idea of faith, mysteries, confusion and incongruencies. All of which are not to be questioned or you should upset the invisible man in the sky. Religions are cults, only with better publicists.

Everyone likes a good fantasy,Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy and Mohammed,but that’s all they are. There is no club in heaven where your dead relatives are hanging out waiting for your arrival.

Look, no one wants to die, but belief in heaven is a coping mechanism, not a real place.

I still don't believe you are Somali let alone ever were Muslim

 

[embarassing]

Kaffir is someone who "arrogantly" rejects the truth. Someone who rejects allah and all his messengers. Not all non Muslims are kafir and only those who reject the truth out of arrogance are kaffirs. So tell me how do I have it confused? Either way I see nothing wrong with kaffirs and it makes no sense for them to eternally burn in hell fire for simply rejecting the "truth".

It doesn't matter what you see it as. It is just if Allah swt created them gave them everything and they still deny the truth. The example of those types of people in the Quran were also tyrants who killed people. So idk if your example of an outstanding good human being who denies Allah swt after he made the truth clear to them exists.

In the Quran Muslim and kafir are not titles you are born into they're acts and only Allah swt knows who those people are. They could be born into anything even an atheist, that's my understanding.

I don't view Allah swt the same way you guys do, my starting point is Allah swt is most just most forgiving and most merciful, more so than you or I. So I'm not worried "good" people will be burning in hell and "bad" people will go to heaven.

Anyway we can agree to disagree on this.