What will happen to your pre-Islamic Somali ancestors?

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Joesph Muktaar said:
Yes, God created us with logic so we could understand his existence, The differnce between Pagan gods and the true God is they will be fighting each other for eternity. God is not blood thristy, he gave you free will and allow to disbelieve in him which still makes him All good. He doesn't gain anything because he doesn't need anyone.

You are putting yourself into the fire not God, Your free will causes you to go into the fire. It like me saying don't go into the fire, and you say I am going in, that what you are doing.
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God isn't very fair though is he? Some people witness his miracles and some even get to speak to him directly or his angels ( prophets) . Have you ever asked yourself why was God so chatty in ancient times, why was he constantly bringing about new prophets and revelations. Why did god do most of his show stopping miracles thousands of years ago, and now, silence? Now that there is modern devices to record and man is able to understand the world better, God suddenly decided to stop talking? Between Issa and Muhammad there was about 650 years. It's been 1400 years, don't we need an updated version of things. There has been much more change in the world between now and Muhammad, compared to the times between Muhammad and Issa.

I would argue a god that creates a place where people are tortured for an eternity is very blood thirsty.

No sane human will ever go into the fire of their own accord. Are you denying that people will be thrown into hellfire, according to the Quran? If you are saying by choosing not to believe in Allah I choose the hellfire, well I disagree with that very much. I've looked at the teachings of Islam and I've decided that this can't possible come from a loving God, using my own logic. Why does God give us logic and then punish us for choosing to use that logic?
 
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ArchBishopofAtheism said:
Look up the story of Dul Qarnayn in the Quran. He's the guy who traveled to the western "edge" of the world and "found" the sun setting into a giant black hole. That should do it for you.
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Have you read it in arabic
Allah mentions the word
Asma said:
God isn't very fair though is he? Some people witness his miracles and some even get to speak to him directly or his angels ( prophets) . Have you ever asked yourself why was God so chatty in ancient times, why was he constantly bringing about new prophets and revelations. Why did god do most of his show stopping miracles thousands of years ago, and now, silence? Now that there is modern devices to record and man is able to understand the world better, God suddenly decided to stop talking? Between Issa and Muhammad there was about 650 years. It's been 1400 years, don't we need an updated version of things. There has been much more change in the world between now and Muhammad, compared to the times between Muhammad and Issa.

I would argue a god that creates a place where people are tortured for an eternity is very blood thirsty.

No sane human will ever go into the fire of their own accord. Are you denying that people will be thrown into hellfire, according to the Quran? If you are saying by choosing not to believe in Allah I choose the hellfire, well I disagree with that very much. I've looked at the teachings of Islam and I've decided that this can't possible come from a loving God, using my own logic. Why does God give us logic and then punish us for choosing to use that logic?
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Wow, Let me tell you
Have you heard that Prophet Muhammad is the last Prophet, He is the Last Prophet. When their is the Last Prophet no more message will come not even miracles will happen again EXCEPT AL Quran Al Kareem. God gave more to those of from before because the time of the last Prophet didn't come, Jesus performed miracles by Allah's will to prove to Banu Israel that he is the Messiah. But Prophet Muhammad was predestined to be the last prophet, and we past his time, The Prophet said in the Last Sermon, Follow with Two The Quran, and The Sunnah.

Sorry it is Exactly 571 years apart Jesus and Muhammad.

God is All Just, Let me give you an Example

There is One Man he only knows how to kill and he killed 12 people. You call the Police and they aresst him and take him to jail, when they take him to jail he kills people in the jail. What should the Police do,

a) Leave him to Kill everyone
b) Kill him to stop the Killing spree
c) Put him in Solitary confinement and nek minute he killes everyone



What you don't Understand is God, He all Just, You obey Him you go to Paradise you disobey him you go to Hell very simple.

Are going to expect a Good grade without even writing your test. You will fail, that what you are doing, You are emotionally ruled by atheism my sister. Logic comes from Deen, You didn't use logic but emotion the whole time.
 
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Joesph Muktaar said:
Have you read it in arabic
Allah mentions the word

Wow, Let me tell you
Have you heard that Prophet Muhammad is the last Prophet, He is the Last Prophet. When their is the Last Prophet no more message will come not even miracles will happen again EXCEPT AL Quran Al Kareem. God gave more to those of from before because the time of the last Prophet didn't come, Jesus performed miracles by Allah's will to prove to Banu Israel that he is the Messiah. But Prophet Muhammad was predestined to be the last prophet, and we past his time, The Prophet said in the Last Sermon, Follow with Two The Quran, and The Sunnah.

Sorry it is Exactly 571 years apart Jesus and Muhammad.

God is All Just, Let me give you an Example

There is One Man he only knows how to kill and he killed 12 people. You call the Police and they aresst him and take him to jail, when they take him to jail he kills people in the jail. What should the Police do,

a) Leave him to Kill everyone
b) Kill him to stop the Killing spree
c) Put him in Solitary confinement and nek minute he killes everyone



What you don't Understand is God, He all Just, You obey Him you go to Paradise you disobey him you go to Hell very simple.

Are going to expect a Good grade without even writing your test. You will fail, that what you are doing, You are emotionally ruled by atheism my sister. Logic comes from Deen, You didn't use logic but emotion the whole time.
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He is the last prophet according to who? So many people have claimed to be the last prophet. I don't have any proof he is the last prophet or any prophet at all. The only thing I can judge Islam on is the Quran and Muhammad's life. Well I don't like the character or the actions of the man that is described in the hadiths or the seerah. The Quran I also take issue with, it has scientific errors, contradictions, pointless stories, it's completely disjointed, no flow and full of repitition. Is this suppose to be from the all mighty? Well if I were to grade this I would give it a big fat F. Some of the contradictions the Muslims try to explain away with the system of abrogation, don't even get my started on how nonsensical, confusing and very convenient this system is.

I don't think the god described in the Quran is very just at all. Like I said previously he gives us logic and then punishes us for using that logic. He collectively punishes people for the sins of a few. Example the people of lot, not everyone could've been part of a homosexual raping gang, yet god destroys all the people there.
 
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Asma said:
He is the last prophet according to who? So many people have claimed to be the last prophet. I don't have any proof he is the last prophet or any prophet at all. The only thing I can judge Islam on is the Quran and Muhammad's life. Well I don't like the character or the actions of the man that is described in the hadiths or the seerah. The Quran I also take issue with, it has scientific errors, contradictions, pointless stories, it's completely disjointed, no flow and full of repitition. Is this suppose to be from the all mighty? Well if I were to grade this I would give it a big fat F. Some of the contradictions the Muslims try to explain away with the system of abrogation, don't even get my started on how nonsensical, confusing and very convenient this system is.

I don't think the god described in the Quran is very just at all. Like I said previously he gives us logic and then punishes us for using that logic. He collectively punishes people for the sins of a few. Example the people of lot, not everyone could've been part of a homosexual raping gang, yet god destroys all the people there.
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I will explain in 7 hours I have to go to sleep
 
Nawal

Nawal

I think the problem of hell was the final nail in coffin for me. How can god punish a good person for not believing he exists but will send an evil murderor who believes in him to heaven?
 
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Nawal said:
Denying allah or committing shirk is an unforgivable sin. You have to repent before your death or else you're doomed.
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Yeah denying when the Allah swt makes it clear to you out of arrogance like firawn in the Quran.

What you said earlier isn't true.
 
ArchBishopofAtheism

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embarassing said:
Where in the Quran does it say that?
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embarassing said:
Where in the Quran does it say that?
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Muhammad and his gang literally rounded up 900 unarmed men and boys, (they checked the boys for pubic hair to make sure), and beheaded all of them. Now, under what circumstance do you think unarmed people should be rounded up and executed en masse? I can only think of one group that does that today and that's ISIS (and their affiliates). My question to you is, HOW can you support someone who rounded unarmed people up and murdered them and enslaved their women?
 
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embarassing said:
Yeah denying when the Allah swt makes it clear to you out of arrogance like firawn in the Quran.

What you said earlier isn't true.
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If you commit murder or other wrongful acts that directly harm human beings on earth, God is very merciful. If you lead a good life where you don't harm others but you simply do not believe in God, he isn't so merciful anymore.
 
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ArchBishopofAtheism said:
Muhammad and his gang literally rounded up 900 unarmed men and boys, (they checked the boys for pubic hair to make sure), and beheaded all of them. Now, under what circumstance do you think unarmed people should be rounded up and executed en masse? I can only think of one group that does that today and that's ISIS (and their affiliates). My question to you is, HOW can you support someone who rounded unarmed people up and murdered them and enslaved their women?
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Prove it, and remember Hadith isn't proof because the Quran says otherwise.
Anything that goes against the Quran isn't acceptable.
Nawal said:
If you commit murder or other wrongful acts that directly harm human beings on earth, God is very merciful. If you lead a good life where you don't harm others but you simply do not believe in God, he isn't so merciful anymore.
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Again, where in the Quran does it say this?
 
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Be an atheist because you're not convinced of the existence of God, be a deist because you don't believe the Quran or any religious text is divine, I understand that. But coming with obscure Hadith to try to discredit Islam is laughable.
 
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