seldiboy
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oh yeah, those Tegaru bastards committed atrocities in the Afar region. Got what they deserved
What was the reason for the muslims of ethiopia fighting alongside us in the Adal war ?
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seldiboy
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Very complex. A big part is their hand in Ethiopian imperialism on Eritrea's precursory civilisations. They are also more primitive than Biher-Tigrinya tbh
again Somalis are falling for the Ethiopian historical revisionism, adal was not multi ethnic it was predominantly somali. the harari identity did not exist in the 16th century & Hararis do not descend from the Harla, Harla are somali who descend from koombe like many of the other koombe clans Harla's are nearly extinct due to wars. during the battle of shimbara kura a somali man was leading the Harla flank he was sultan muhammed
Early Adal Kingdom was a mostly Dir kingdom.
But as it became an empire it included Most other Somalis of the northern peninsular and afars. During the Futuh it conquered most, damn near all, of Ethiopia and converted and included all ethnicities who were muslim or converted.
Ethnicity wasn't as big to identity back then as religion. Ahmad Gurey didn't fight for a ethnic group but rather he fought for Islam and for the Destruction of Ethiopia, Christianity and the total subjugation of Habasha. He savaged the Highlands like Julius Ceasar Savaged Gaul/France.
Had Ahmad Gurey succeeded in his goal of destroying Ethiopia and the Solomon dynasty he would've left behind a United Horn empire. It would be absolutely massive. This would obviously force the horn to develop centralised government and all the parts of a grand civilization. The horn would be both unified and Islamic but also one of the most strongest civilizations in the medieval world. Perhaps it could take Sudan before the Turks did. Most likely it would advance into south east Africa and due to its superior technology and population size it would replace the sparse Bantu tribes with Horners making everything from Sudan to possibly Mozambique Cushitic and muslim. All round blessed time line.
It would be like the turks conquering Christian Byzantinium and forming a great ottoman empire that lasted around 600 years and absolutely dominated with it's gigantic size and civilization.
However even considering this fact, ethiopians don't have a claim on Adal or The Imam. Especially Xabashi who he spent his conquests fighting and burning. The only Ethiopians who can confidently say Ahmad Gurey was their leader are the Muslims. First and foremost he fought for the unification of the muslims in the region. All can call him their leader.
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Darood is only 900 years old while Harla ruins found in Dir Dawa go back to the 5th century AD thatโs 1500 years ago. Xarla and Harla are different on that basis. Harla were sedentary agrarian people.
Adal was not a '' Dir kingdom'' Lol ironically enough dir had nothing to with adal the only claim Dir have is Gorgorah & barsub. however theres no mention of dir clans like Gadabursi, Isaaq & isa. Habar Maqdi is actually jidwaaq.
sorry xarla & harla are the same thing what are you talking about. french resercher wents to harla family in djibouti they pulled out old manuscripts showing they descend from kombe. just becuase theirs ruins from the 5th century doesnt indicate its harla especially for reigon like ethiopia which has constant demographic shifts
funnily enough the ruins you talk about were ruins of non muslim people, archeologists found out that their diet consisted of Pork kkkkkk, harla is one & somali
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Harla were agrarian farmers. They were a confederate state allied with ifat during the 13th century some 700+ years ago. No darood anywhere near them look
i dont know weather to take you serious somalis became farmers recently. harla's live in between harar and dir dawa. they dont live that central of ethiopia.Harla were agrarian farmers. They were a confederate state allied with ifat during the 13th century some 700+ years ago. No darood anywhere near them look
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secondly you claim 'No darood near them' are you forgetting Geri koombe who live in harar and were the last one standing even when menlik invaded they still stood their ground. also Geri koombe have intermarried with the amirs of harar. harla are closest to their koombe brothers then to any other group in the horn. i have a harla relative he claims koombe darood
There were agrarian Somalis in especially hararghe and perhaps bale which was taken probably after the founding of Adal so still some time ago. And not to mention some southern clans in Koonfurta
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We have a Geri brother on this forum who will tell you his people moved from the east near Somalia to the west in Hararghe in the last 300 years and started farming. Harla kingdom on the other hand was west of Harar and Baabili. Iโm just bringing you facts. If you can convince me otherwise then go ahead. There were always Somali communities that were farming since pre historic days and lived in Hararghe.
im not denying that, however this is a practice somalis adopted after subduing the agrarian groups already there. somalis later replaced these people pushing more westwards. this is well documented.
I donโt think I can further convansate with you anymore. now you saying Geri came to Hararghe 300 years ago ?
show me this Geri person who made that claim. Somali groups began expanding in the beginning of the second millennium, Geri bartire & marehan were documented pushing out & replacing the populationโs agrarian populations this was a 1000 years ago
Geri did not come to Hararghe 300 years ago the fact that I have to address this is ridiculous. Geri are an old archaic clan that is well documented. They are first mentioned in the 13th century in the chronicles of Amanda seyon. Daroods weโre documented.
500 years ago Geri & Jidwaaq were parading in harar preparing for Jihad & hereโs you saying Daroods came to hararghe 300 years ago Iโm dead
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Big mistake.Harla was one of the confederate states allied to ifat as early as the 13th century way before Harar and Adal existed. Your showing me Adal era futuh on one hand and on the other you showed me what I told you earlier which is Bartiire and Geri reached Hararghe from the east near Somalia just a few centuries ago and picked up farming. This is what Richard Burton noted in the 1800s and calls them and the Bartiire the โwestern most daroodโ. @GaradShabeel please inform us about the Geri.I donโt think I can further convansate with you anymore. now you saying Geri came to Hararghe 300 years ago ?
Somali groups began expanding in the beginning of the second millennium, Geri bartire & marehan were documented pushing out & replacing the populationโs agrarian populations this was a 1000 years ago
Geri did not come to Hararghe 300 years ago the fact that I have to address this is ridiculous. Geri are an old archaic clan that is well documented. They are first mentioned in the 13th century in the chronicles of Amanda seyon. Daroods weโre documented.
500 years ago Geri & Jidwaaq were parading in harar preparing for Jihad & hereโs you saying Daroods came to hararghe 300 years ago Iโm dead
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Fighting amongst the Adalite doesnโt make you native to region. There were Arabs from Zabid, Mahra and even Meccans with green flags who were ordered by its ruler Amir Barakat II to join the Somali Imam. All of them were Ottoman vessels at the time. My clan the Karanle always farmed on the highlands of Hararghe even before Harar even existed and always bordered the Harla and even intermarried as we see in the case of the imam whoโs father was Sixawle Karanle while his mother was Harla. We are the true natives who still live here today farming. Harar is a recent settlement. Hobat and Harla kingdoms however predate Harar by couple of centuries. According to best known travel and tourism handbook "Guide to Ethiopia" by author Phillip Briggs and ecologist professor Marco Viganรณ, the Qundhura mountain ranges which sits at the mouth of Gursum, Somali (woreda) and easiest to access via Babile, was the locality of ancient Hobat, an early settlement pre-dating Harar and historically inhabited by nomadic highland Hawiye clans who had turned to farming and cultivation during the rainfall season. The Harla kingdom were our neighbours to the far west as shown on the map which is also where Dir Dawa is located and together we were allied with Ifat as a confederate state. Bulk of the Darood would be more towards the west. Here below is pasage of Amda Seyon chronicles quoted by Mekuria showing the separation of Harla and Hobat.
here is old map showing Harla west of Harar and old Hobat.
And here are the clans today inhabiting the region. Mostly Hawiye and Dir. The Darood that joined the jihad came from further east near modern day Somalia. The Geri and Bartiire moved in to the region from the west and picked up farming. There is reason why Richard called the Dir tribes and Karanle as the most native in the region when he visited Harar.
Fighting amongst the Adalite doesnโt make you native to region. There were Arabs from Zabid, Mahra and even Meccans with green flags who were ordered by its ruler Amir Barakat II to join the Somali Imam. All of them were Ottoman vessels at the time. My clan the Karanle always farmed on the highlands of Hararghe even before Harar even existed and always bordered the Harla and even intermarried as we see in the case of the imam whoโs father was Sixawle Karanle while his mother was Harla. We are the true natives who still live here today farming. Harar is a recent settlement. Hobat and Harla kingdoms however predate Harar by couple of centuries. According to best known travel and tourism handbook "Guide to Ethiopia" by author Phillip Briggs and ecologist professor Marco Viganรณ, the Qundhura mountain ranges which sits at the mouth of Gursum, Somali (woreda) and easiest to access via Babile, was the locality of ancient Hobat, an early settlement pre-dating Harar and historically inhabited by nomadic highland Hawiye clans who had turned to farming and cultivation during the rainfall season. The Harla kingdom were our neighbours to the far west as shown on the map which is also where Dir Dawa is located and together we were allied with Ifat as a confederate state. Bulk of the Darood would be more towards the west. Here below is pasage of Amda Seyon chronicles quoted by Mekuria showing the separation of Harla and Hobat.
here is old map showing Harla west of Harar and old Hobat.
And here are the clans today inhabiting the region. Mostly Hawiye and Dir. The Darood that joined the jihad came from further east near modern day Somalia. The Geri and Bartiire moved in to the region from the west and picked up farming. There is reason why Richard called the Dir tribes and Karanle as the most native in the region when he visited Harar.
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i showed you the adal sources because you claimed Geri came to Hararghe 300 years ago
Did you not read the documents geri & berteri started expanding during the beginning of second millennium. That is 1000 years ago sxb
Yes Richard does note Geri as being the most western branch of Darood but what does that go to do with your erroneous claim that you made by saying โGeri came to hararghe 300 years ago โ
the imam is not Karanle
heโs most likely Geri Iโm not even Geri but heโs most likely that tribe or Harla koombe but definitely not Karanle, Karanle are not even mentioned in futuh al habesh. The only mention is hawiye but other sub clans are mentioned clearly Geri have always lived in the harar i put the map of harar as you can see the closest clan to Harar is Geri where is Karanle or Hawiye ?
where was Karanle when menilik invaded ? It was only Geri standing
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Arabs and Turks fought with the Imam. Does that make them native to the region?i showed you the adal sources because you claimed Geri came to Hararghe 300 years ago
Did you not read the documents geri & berteri started expanding during the beginning of second millennium. That is 1000 years ago sxb
Yes Richard does note Geri as being the most western branch of Darood but what does that go to do with your erroneous claim that you made by saying โGeri came to hararghe 300 years ago โ
the imam is not Karanle
Geri have always lived in the harar i put the map of harar as you can see the closest clan to Harar is Geri where is Karanle or Hawiye ?
where was Karanle when menilik invaded ? It was only Geri standing
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We always fought in Harar and so did the Geri and others. But we are native to the region thatโs the difference. We are here till this day. Here is one of the many battles were we lead the others in war. Itโs our backyard.
Here is Richard who met a Harari from the Hawiye tribe in Zeila who was descended from a dynasty of judges gong back centuries
Also imam according to the Harari and Amhara scholars was Karanle. This is one of the main manuscript in Harar library that was state funded by king sellasi government which is accepted in capital state university and used in the Ethiopian national ciriculum taught to the students. Amhara scholar who wrote the history of Ethiopia from Nubians to Yakuno Amlak to Menelik and a Harari scholar who has copies of the earliest history of Harar preceding Ifat are in agreement that Gragn is Somali Karanle.
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