What is your guys opinions on why birthrate is so low in countries which are more developed?

[jemappelle]

Kids are expensive and it is also selfish to have kids in this world nowadays.

Also the guy is right, poor people have more kids because they see the kids as way to escape poverty or are bored and have nothing else to do but f*ck and since they are poor they lack protection.

I personally would not have kids for so many reasons.

If i care about the world, i should help those in the problem instead of adding to the problem.

Why is having kids selfish?

 

[jemappelle]

It’s really about faith
gaalo have lied to you, hunter gathers have low fertility rates and routinely practice infanticide

female infantcide and even general infanticide are common place among the most primitive cut off people, it’s pure greed and fear of sharing resources

only faithful Christians like Amish and Mennonites , practicing Jews, and Muslims have high birth rates

Interesting, is there anywhere I could read more on that

 

[ZBR]

Egypt has been urban and industrial since before 3000 BC and yet has a TFR rate of nearly 3

 

[jemappelle]

Egypt has been urban and industrial since before 3000 BC and yet has a TFR rate of nearly 3

So......

 

[jemappelle]

Also the guy is right, poor people have more kids because they see the kids as way to escape poverty or are bored and have nothing else to do but f*ck and since they are poor they lack protection.

Don't you think that has more to do with the cultura outlook of money and not money itself

 

[Yaraye]

There is a rise of single childless women. In 2030, 45% of women between the ages 25-44 who will be childless and single. Many women have stopped believing that you need to be married or have children to be happy.

There is also economic reasons, and the decrease need for free labor.

 

[bidenkulaha]

You're not getting it. In the UK, currently people are finding it difficult heating their homes and you're talking about people living below their living standards.

You make a good point btw.
As you can see the part where the U.K. birth rate rose (only time since 1960s) was in the New Labour government. Rose to 1.9+ (close to replacement level) and now back down to 1.5

This shows as families get poorer women are forced to work more and can’t afford children. Labour was always known to give many benefits to families. Now the Conservatives have brought in 2 child limit for benefits.

I think back in the 2000s my mum got nearly £20k in benefits from 5 children. Which was a lot back then.

But you must accept this is unlikely to happen again. 2000s is the most prosperous decade ever. The world will get poorer and resources will be more scarce because of climate change.

So the truth is the best way to increase births is reduce women participation in work and allow men to raise a family on one income. So then the housewife can raise children, aren’t distracted by work, make as many babies as possible.

 

[medjourtine]

Quite a simple answer: industrialization causes more women in the workforce, which of course leads to less marrying and starting families. Forgot what the exact statistic is but something like by 2030 close half of women aged 30 will be single in the West. That is truly absurd. This is what the industrialization causes to society, it atomises us all and consequently creates modern medicine to solve the mental health crisis (which originated from abandoning our fitrah). Most woman with a family are content even without a career, mostly all woman with a career without a family are discontent.

Simple solution is controversial to majority but when understood really is a common sense proposition. It is to delineate men to be in the productive sphere, women in the reproductive sphere. Have trust in Allah and marry young.

 

[ZBR]

Why is having kids selfish?

It’s actually self less, it’s sacrificing yourself for the good of others, going without frivolous things for a greater cause. It’s noble. Those fathers and mothers who are raising such large families as in Somalia are heroic people living extraordinary lives and their children will watch and appreciate it inshallah, may Allah reward them

 

[Yaraye]

Kids are expensive and it is also selfish to have kids in this world nowadays.

Also the guy is right, poor people have more kids because they see the kids as way to escape poverty or are bored and have nothing else to do but f*ck and since they are poor they lack protection.

I personally would not have kids for so many reasons.

If i care about the world, i should help those in the problem instead of adding to the problem.

Why is having kids selfish?

I don't think any child wants to be born with a rough life

 

[bidenkulaha]

Quite a simple answer: industrialization causes more women in the workforce, which of course leads to less marrying and starting families. Forgot what the exact statistic is but something like by 2030 close half of women aged 30 will be single in the West. That is truly absurd. This is what the industrialization causes to society, it atomises us all and consequently creates modern medicine to solve the mental health crisis (which originated from abandoning our fitrah). Most woman with a family are content even without a career, mostly all woman with a career without a family are discontent.

Simple solution is controversial to majority but when understood really is a common sense proposition. It is to delineate men to be in the productive sphere, women in the reproductive sphere. Have trust in Allah and marry young.

This decline used to happen to all liberal states I bet in history but now that we have a liberal superpower like America that can destroy countries, take their children and out develop traditional conservative countries because they have both women and men in work, this changes historical narrative that liberal countries develop quickly then decline after ‘enlightenment’.

I blame the invention of the airplane. They can so easily ship Africans and Asians forever (the best and brightest too) to make up for their lack of birth rate while also having a stronger economy than us muslim countries therefore always being able to defeat us in military war.

 

[Yaraye]

This decline used to happen to all liberal states I bet in history but now that we have a liberal superpower like America that can destroy countries, take their children and out develop traditional conservative countries because they have both women and men in work, this changes historical narrative that liberal countries develop quickly then decline after ‘enlightenment’.

I blame the invention of the airplane. They can so easily ship Africans and Asians forever (the best and brightest too) to make up for their lack of birth rate while also having a stronger economy than us muslim countries therefore always being able to defeat us in military war.

blaming the invention of the plane is a new reason . It is true that Americans makeup for the lack of birth rate by immigration, but that's been done even before the plane. They used to offer student visas/ scholarships for education to talented foreigners with the hopes that they'd settle down, live and work in america. Not only would they increase the population, but they'd get talented minds. hitting 2 birds with one stone.

 

[bidenkulaha]

blaming the invention of the plane is a new reason . It is true that Americans makeup for the lack of birth rate by immigration, but that's been done even before the plane. They used to offer student visas/ scholarships for education to talented foreigners with the hopes that they'd settle down, live and work in america.

Bro it was so much harder to ship in people and invade countries. The US can now destroy countries that clash with their agenda so easily. Look at the now millions of muslims, Hindus and Latinos etc living in America propping up their birth rate and yet become Americanised in a couple generations then to be boosted again by another wave of refugees that America can create whenever they feel like. It costs nearly nothing in human casualties for them. We’ve never seen a super power like this in history. America can poach the best people. In the past Empires that had the best economies could be out developed after declines in their population after similar levels of drop in fertility. They also used to suffer from inflation (gold was the reserve currency and now it’s the American dollar so america exports inflation to the rest of the world) and scientific/technological breakthroughs.

Today America poaches the best and brightest from every corner of the world. Any breakthrough in technology they know of. I admire it, I’m not even blaming lol.

 

[jemappelle]

I don't think any child wants to be born with a rough life

I would argue 95% of kids are born into difficult lives

 

[Psychologist]

Why is having kids selfish?

there isn't any good reason to have kids.

All reason people have kids are self, some have kids because they see kids like a pet , or some have kids as way to escape their problems.

Don't you think that has more to do with the cultura outlook of money and not money itself

both, money plays a big role and also education. The more educated you are the more likely you will not have kids.

Mainly people don't have kids because its too expensive and its irresponsible to have kids while you are struggling to find a place to call home.

It’s actually self less, it’s sacrificing yourself for the good of others, going without frivolous things for a greater cause. It’s noble. Those fathers and mothers who are raising such large families as in Somalia are heroic people living extraordinary lives and their children will watch and appreciate it inshallah, may Allah reward them

good of others or for your own purpose? herotic because they are taking responsibility for their action?

those kids have chance of becoming shitty people than becoming something great, its so selfish to have kids in third world country like somalia, where kids barely have any chance to experience what childhood is and highly have no future.

 

[Danakiil]

Birth rates started to fall in the US after the economic crash of 2008, it must be a coincidence!

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[ReerVanCadde]

Women marry up. 66% of graduates are women. Most women won't marry anyone without a college degree that'll be marrying *down*. The west is a matriarchy, these vampires have all men whipped and controlled.

 

[Danakiil]

Women marry up. 66% of graduates are women. Most women won't marry anyone without a college degree that'll be marrying *down*. The west is a matriarchy, these vampires have all men whipped and controlled.

Trade niggas wouldn't get pussy then yet they do. Never seen a guy in construction or an electrician who didn't have a girl

 

[ReerVanCadde]

The number of Karen's will start to sky rocket. I'm investing in cat food brands and toy dildos guaranteed money.

 

[ReerVanCadde]

Trade niggas wouldn't get pussy then yet they do. Never seen a guy in construction or an electrician who didn't have a girl

Having a girl and being married is totally different. It's not like trade dudes pull 8s or 9s, they mop up the 4s and below.