What is your guys opinions on why birthrate is so low in countries which are more developed?

[jemappelle]

I had an argument with a guy on the reasons why birthrate is so low, I argued that it was cultural reasons but he argued that it was financial reasons.

I told him then why do poorer people have more kids and he said because they need more kids as there is a chance they will make money for their family. For me his rebuttal made no sense because it has nothing to do with the amount of money they have it just has to do with their outlook on money, which goes down to the culture. Anyway what do you guys think, also please provide any research or articles or books you have read on this topic

 

[Danakiil]

I had an argument with a guy on the reasons why birthrate is so low, I argued that it was cultural reasons but he argued that it was financial reasons.

I told him then why do poorer people have more kids and he said because they need more kids as there is a chance they will make money for their family. For me his rebuttal made no sense because it has nothing to do with the amount of money they have it just has to do with their outlook on money, which goes down to the culture. Anyway what do you guys think, also please provide any research or articles or books you have read on this topic

Cost of living. The housing crisses is fucking up millenials & gen z bad. Only generation where it's common to see 25+ year olds still living with their parents.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I had an argument with a guy on the reasons why birthrate is so low, I argued that it was cultural reasons but he argued that it was financial reasons.

I told him then why do poorer people have more kids and he said because they need more kids as there is a chance they will make money for their family. For me his rebuttal made no sense because it has nothing to do with the amount of money they have it just has to do with their outlook on money, which goes down to the culture. Anyway what do you guys think, also please provide any research or articles or books you have read on this topic

"it's the economy" narrative is fake. more liberal, less religious culture = lower fertility; more conservative, more religious culture = higher fertility.

you can almost sort of measure how religious and conservative a country is by its birth rate.

 

[Danakiil]

"it's the economy" narrative is fake. more liberal, less religious culture = lower fertility; more conservative, more religious culture = higher fertility.

you can almost sort of measure how religious and conservative a country is by its birth rate.

 

[jemappelle]

Cost of living. The housing crisses is fucking up millenials & gen z bad. Only generation where it's common to see 25+ year olds still living with their parents.

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It was pretty common in the past to live with your parents, and also many cultures today, its not abnormal

 

[Danakiil]

It was pretty common in the past to live with your parents, and also many cultures today, its not abnormal

25+ was uncommon bro come on. We're talking people in their 30's even still living with hooyo & aabo. That's ridiculous fully grown people who should've had their own families by then.

 

[jemappelle]

25+ was uncommon bro come on. We're talking people in their 30's even still living with hooyo & aabo. That's ridiculous

Your thinking too much about 10 to 20 years ago, look at countries around the world, look at 10 200 300 years ago, living with your parents was very common for older people even if they were married

 

[Danakiil]

Your thinking too much about 10 to 20 years ago, look at countries around the world, look at 10 200 300 years ago, living with your parents was very common for older people even if they were married

Difference is these people would love to move out but they can't afford it. Some people can't even afford a relationship nowadays

 

[jemappelle]

Difference is these people would love to move out but they can't afford it. Some people can't even afford a relationship nowadays

True

 

[Omar del Sur]

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the Gulf countries are known to be liberalizing. I somehow don't think the average person in Qatar is as religious as an average person in Yemen or Afghanistan.

 

[Vital]

I had an argument with a guy on the reasons why birthrate is so low, I argued that it was cultural reasons but he argued that it was financial reasons.

I told him then why do poorer people have more kids and he said because they need more kids as there is a chance they will make money for their family. For me his rebuttal made no sense because it has nothing to do with the amount of money they have it just has to do with their outlook on money, which goes down to the culture. Anyway what do you guys think, also please provide any research or articles or books you have read on this topic

Women settle down at a later age nowadays because of access to careers. Look up data on the average age to get married 100 years ago vs today

 

[jemappelle]

Women settle down at a later age because of access to careers. Look up data on the average age to get married 100 years ago vs today

So women having careers makes them have less children?

 

[Awad]

Western parents don't have the pre-industrialized notion of their children being labor, they want to be involved in their childrens lives and ultimately push them to be productive members of society. You can't do that when you raise 8+ children like sardines while having a working class income

 

[jemappelle]

Western parents don't have the pre-industrialized notion of their children being labor, they want to be involved in their childrens lives and ultimately push them to be productive members of society. You can't do that when you raise 8+ children like sardines while having a working class income

Thats what they did in the past, no?

 

[Vital]

So women having careers makes them have less children?

Yes, because they focus on education and careers first before they get married and have kids. Back when the birth rates were high it was not expected for women to work as much

 

[Awad]

Thats what they did in the past, no?

And how do you think that turned out?

 

[jemappelle]

And how do you think that turned out?

The fact we are here today is proof that it turned out well

 

[Angelina]

"it's the economy" narrative is fake. more liberal, less religious culture = lower fertility; more conservative, more religious culture = higher fertility.

you can almost sort of measure how religious and conservative a country is by its birth rate.

Anyone that lives in a big city will tell you this is. We're going through an economic crisis, with working-class couples living in two income household are struggling to pay for energy bills in places like the UK.

I find that those that downplay the economic realities of today's current society tend to be young and unmarried.

 

[Angelina]

Thats what they did in the past, no?

They had a lot more help in the past.

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[Ragaasi]