What if we exchange Hiiraan State for SSC State?

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Under the Somali federalism decisions are taken unanimously so if the balance is in favour of Daarood by having more votes/States things will happen on their way.

I understand that, and you are a smart man, so, to advance the discourse, think about the validity of the questions, and see if you could offer an opinion.

 

[World]

Why does it matter how many states Darood or Hawiye has? How about proportional representation? The amount of senators and MPs a state has should be based on their population size. That way everyone gets their xaq.

 

[Abdalla]

Deal!

 

[Rationale]

Hassan Sheikh will not accept a new Daarood State because it will make Daarood 3 States (PL, SSC & JL) vs two Hawiye/Samaale States (Galmudug&Hirshabelle)

Banadir will remain the capital and will not be a state but will have 4.5 based representation and elected mayor and elected local assemply so they dont need to exchange it with full-fledged FMS but if necessary there is another scenario and that is Hiiraan but this needs to be campaigned from both Reer Hiraan and Reer SSC.
Jowhar will be under Mogadushu. Its now under Mogadishu now anyways.

Hawadle new polticial orientation makes Daarood to be friendly towards them and accept Hiiraan State unlike the 2011 road map under the infulence of PL that was against both Hiiraan's special case as one of the 6 oroginal Somali regions under the trusteeship and the first 8 regions after the independence so Hiiraan State not on the basis that it is two regions but on the basis that it is the original region that has remained undivided since independence. Will puntland support Hiiraan State in exchange of SSC? Hawadle fully support SSC struggle.

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I'm quite impressed with myself and how well I read the psyche of the posters here. I knew exactly were your new found love for reer SSC came from. True hustler yaah.

But I don't think convincing you is possible, you believe Isaaq joining benefits you, and if SSC becomes a state it creates a precedent and an incentive for a Hiiraan state both outcomes are more than fine with you. I'm not against you going after your own interest but I do disagree with you on two things; The thing I disagree with you the most is, why do you have the need to support Daarood in their endeavour first? Atleast make them support your Hiiraan state then pledge support, otherwise you come across as a dacas. Second point is; please stop insulting our intelligence with this Dir-Shabaab connection lol, we both know its bs.

As I said before never trust Daarood first, get them to sign your Hiiraan state first and foremost. Don't give any good will for free. They love undermining others it's the corner stone of their politics. I might sound like a hater but I'm not. Hiiraan state first then we can have talks about SSC. Hiiraan was one of the original gobols it is special, your case is much stronger than theirs. Not to mention wallahi they are on borrowed time and deeply desperate compared to Hiiraan who can wait for Somalia's second federation process, SSC will die tomorrow if Muuse Biixi agrees to sit on the negotion table to discuss the reunification. Your borders are set in stone it, you are not in hurry. It is only matter of signing few waraaqad for you, for them it is war and rafaad for years.

 

[Gaban]

The current constitution only fits PL because Garowe under Faroole supported by PM Abdi Wali Gaas had a plan to host the capital so it demanded that each two regions to form an FMS no less than that because Hawiye/Samaale have three regions of their own so they will not be able to take the capital if they tried to establish two States. PL wanted Hiiraan to join Galgaduud and Jowhar Banaadir than take the capital!

South mudug was supposed to be extra of Galhiiraan like North mudug is extra for PL.

Hassan Sheikh and Abdikareem Guuled fucked up this plan that was arranged under Seikh Sharif who even accepted in caasimada laga hadli doono meesha laga dhigayo so Mogadushu is not the capital per "Faroole constitution"

Hassan Sheikh and Abdikarim Guuled established Galmudug State in vision2016 and the remaining FMS to be Hiiraan and Middle Shabelle that why they kept the Capital Banaadir as an extra gobol

Now it seems PL is accepting SSC State and if there is any Hawiye/Samaale region to exchange with it they will welcome Hiiraan State. We started reaching out to Harti on such deal.

Imagine a state where it is being shared by
Sacad
Saleebaan
Saruur
Cayr
Duduble
Murusade
Dir
Mareexaan
Xawaadle
Gaaljecel
Sheikhaal
Baadicade
Jaajeele
Jiidle
Madow
Abgaal
most headache state.

 

[Starswarz1]

Let every man focus on his lands, if darood wants Sool to be it's own state, and Xawadle want their Hiiraan to be their own state than why doesn't the leading Hawiye HSM government establish it's promised Banshabelle state (Banaadir + S/hoose)?

In fact if the current government of HSM does not bring back s/hoose which he HSM personally sold to the ungrateful treacherous beggars Rahanweyne than Hawiyes are forever doomed, imagine empowering Rahanweyne yesterday with s/hoose and today your empowering daroods with their Sool state while ignoring Hawiyes interest, focking shameful and utterly Political failure from Hawiyes politicians.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Why does it matter how many states Darood or Hawiye has? How about proportional representation? The amount of senators and MPs a state has should be based on their population size. That way everyone gets their xaq.

Very hypocritical and confusing statement given PL is literally against proportional representation. The disagreement over aid is partly due to this.

HSM says share aid by states population. PL rejects this and says they should continue with their 30%.

 

[Mr. Wabrii]

Let every man focus on his lands, if darood wants Sool to be it's own state, and Xawadle want their Hiiraan to be their own state than why doesn't the leading Hawiye HSM government establish it's promised Banshabelle state (Banaadir + S/hoose)?

In fact if the current government of HSM does not bring back s/hoose which he HSM personally sold to the ungrateful treacherous beggars Rahanweyne than Hawiyes are forever doomed, imagine empowering Rahanweyne yesterday with s/hoose and today your empowering daroods with their Sool state while ignoring Hawiyes interest, focking shameful and utterly Political failure from Hawiyes politicians.

Letting Rahanweyne take Shabelle Hose was actually a plan so that HG dont get more power in other states.

 

[World]

Very hypocritical and confusing statement given PL is literally against proportional representation. The disagreement over aid is partly due to this.

HSM says share aid by states population. PL rejects this and says they should continue with their 30%.

Share the source that states Puntland gets 30 % of all foreign aid that goes to Somalia.

This is the real aid allocation by region: https://somalia.un.org/sites/default/files/2020-05/Aid Flows in Somalia - 2020.pdf

In 2018 PL received 12 % of aid, in 2019 PL received 12.7 % of aid and in 2020 PL received 9 % of aid.

According to the 2014 census, PL (excluding SSC) represented 12.2 % of Somalia’s population so their aid allocation is proportional to their population, or should have been more as SSC was excluded.

 

[Bernie Madoff]

OP is such a beg

If there will be another hawiye state it will benedir. Nobody cares about ur langaab ass clan

 

[The Midlands]

Let every man focus on his lands, if darood wants Sool to be it's own state, and Xawadle want their Hiiraan to be their own state than why doesn't the leading Hawiye HSM government establish it's promised Banshabelle state (Banaadir + S/hoose)?

In fact if the current government of HSM does not bring back s/hoose which he HSM personally sold to the ungrateful treacherous beggars Rahanweyne than Hawiyes are forever doomed, imagine empowering Rahanweyne yesterday with s/hoose and today your empowering daroods with their Sool state while ignoring Hawiyes interest, focking shameful and utterly Political failure from Hawiyes politicians.

Hawiye will get the Vice president of KG and lower Shabelle will be under Banaadir security wise so it's same while Banaadir enjoys representation and elected city leader. Banshabelle will be Abgaal president and Digil vice president besides the capital will be under threat .
KG vice president HG will have big chance it's best for you to keep it like that Digil will be represented by Mirifle president but if they form state with Banaadir they will take the vice president and HG will be represented by Hawiye Abgaal.

 

[The Midlands]

PL scored many goals in the current constitution like the two or more constitutional marger to pave the way for a merger between Banaadir and Middle shaballe and Hiiraan and Galgaduud but things took different direction with the marger of Galgaduud and Mudug under Hassan Sheikh

Shariif was too weak he even allowed this when Mogadishu used to be the undisputed capital.
"The status of the capital city of Somalia shall be determined in the constitutional review process, and the two houses of the Somali Federal Parliament shall enact a special law with regards to this issue"

 

[Unhinged]

OP is such a beg

If there will be another hawiye state it will benedir. Nobody cares about ur langaab ass clan

Don't hate on the noble Xawaadle clan

 

[The Midlands]

Why does it matter how many states Darood or Hawiye has? How about proportional representation? The amount of senators and MPs a state has should be based on their population size. That way everyone gets their xaq.

The issue is not about population, parliamentary representation and development it is only about political influence. Daarood now has PL and JL and both are independent from Mogadishu so what do you think of a new Northern Daarood FMS behind PL?

So these HAGites will never accept this they will offer to you three solution stay disputed region between PL and SL, under Isaaq led Nothern State or stay under Mogadishu so as Reer Hiiraan we need to campaign for Hiiraan State to counterweight to SSC State with Daarood support.

 

[Waaqmasho]

No, we will exchange galnus for it.

You expect us to let galnus fly which is 1.42 about to be 1.13 gobols but want to deny ssc.

 

[Waaqmasho]

It isn't our fault we have more land than hawiye. How you deal with it is your problem.

 

[FBIsomalia]

HAG till today doesnt understand that federalism come because Kacaan era. RX first clan bring it to table, We refuse it in 40s. MJ just brought it up again in 2000s.

HAG will not have capital and more seat. We will insure that.

Regarding AID. 30% doesnt reach PL. Its our money we will not let HAG have it.

 

[Gadhwayne]

Hassan Sheikh will not accept a new Daarood State because it will make Daarood 3 States (PL, SSC & JL) vs two Hawiye/Samaale States (Galmudug&Hirshabelle)

Banadir will remain the capital and will not be a state but will have 4.5 based representation and elected mayor and elected local assemply so they dont need to exchange it with full-fledged FMS but if necessary there is another scenario and that is Hiiraan but this needs to be campaigned from both Reer Hiraan and Reer SSC.
Jowhar will be under Mogadushu. Its now under Mogadishu now anyways.

Hawadle new polticial orientation makes Daarood to be friendly towards them and accept Hiiraan State unlike the 2011 road map under the infulence of PL that was against both Hiiraan's special case as one of the 6 oroginal Somali regions under the trusteeship and the first 8 regions after the independence so Hiiraan State not on the basis that it is two regions but on the basis that it is the original region that has remained undivided since independence. Will puntland support Hiiraan State in exchange of SSC? Hawadle fully support SSC struggle.

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Why are you begging agoonta aabbe Afweyne for Hiiraan statehood XSM can/should create Hiiraan state on its own it should have been insisted on it before PL/JL were federally recognized with more seats than HS/GM

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Hopefully Qoslaaye doesnt share your inferiority complex towards agoonta.

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Qoslaaye has no need to trade eastern Sool FMS for Hiiraan/Benaadir statehood especially since Benaadir has a bigger population than JL/PL combined. Stop begging agoonta to help eastern Beledweyne you should beg your cousin XSM inuu kaa waabiyo walaalkiis Guudlaawe

 

[Starswarz1]

No, we will exchange galnus for it.

You expect us to let galnus fly which is 1.42 about to be 1.13 gobols but want to deny ssc.

My nigga you are an Mx, the most irrelevant clan in Somalia, all your lands in Central Somalia has been long ago forcefully taken by HGs, so what we have today in Central Somalia is an HG state called Galmudug state where your irrelevant clan has 0.01% of lands called Cabudwaaq which is 99.9% located in Ethiopia.

So kindly tell us what can your irrelevant arse clan Mx do to HGs Galmudug other than calacaal from Ethiopia?

 

[Starswarz1]

Darood kids are funny walahi, they really believe their own hype that they have the power to get an state by themselves as if Hawiyes SFG will happily recognise and sign for them.

Bunch of self deluded confused kids walee.