westernisation & duty of a man in Islam

[Al hashimi]

BTW when people complain about the west they complain about their moralaity and degeneracy and they do not reap from this. The west did not succeed from Liberalism

 

[Dualke]

Yet, it does not quite sound as if you rested your case. Perhaps you want to have another go, and be more objective this time?

Literally name one person in this thread thats objective

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

The West in terms of its morality and culture is disgusting but economically and educationally is great.

Would it surprise you if I were to tell you, from personal experience, the opposite to be true where practices in the West, by and large, are closer to what Muslim-ness ought to be. Let me offer an example. There are certain practices, say in fornication, and infidelity, that young people in the West would think twice before engaging in that which those in the Muslim world would not blink to engage in. How do we explain that in the context of decadance, and debauchery?

There are muslim contries that also flourish in both ways. But Its hard for some people to move.

Very true, and there are many Muslim countries I prefer over the West even in some of those desciplines.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

Literally name one person in this thread thats objective

Still, I want our dear @Al hashimi to try, and be one.

 

[Al hashimi]

Would it surprise you if I were to tell you, from personal experience, the opposite to be true where practices in the West, by and large, are closer to what Muslim-ness ought to be. Let me offer an example. There are certain practices, say in fornication, and infidelity, that young people in the West would think twice before engaging in that which those in the Muslim world would not blink to engage in. How do we explain that in the context of decadance, and debauchery?

This is personal experience

 

[Internet Nomad]

malab getting smoked

@malab give me a logical reason as to why you left islam

I will try to clear these doubts Inshallah

Brother if you are to trying to guide someone you should try and have some empathy and see where they are coming from. Acting like this is only going to make them keep up their guard and make it more harder for your words to mean anything

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

@malab give me a logical reason as to why you left islam

Rather personal, would not you say? She can choose not to answer that question, or not.

In a nutshell, all I am saying is: be considerate, thoughtful, and big brotherly in your approach.

Someone's political persuasion, religious choice, and clan affiliation should not influence public discourse unless the said indeed under discussion, and even then, one must not get personal, and try to remain less subjective in one's analyses, and critique.

 

[Al hashimi]

I see but this malab person isnt as deserving of empathy
We all know 1+1 is 2 if someone violates and constantly critcises people who believe this fact and critque people who dont they are an idiot undeserving of empathy but I see your point

 

[Al hashimi]

Rather personal, would not you say? She can choose not to answer that question, or not.

In a nutshell, all I am saying is: be considerate, thoughtful, and big brotherly in your approach.

Someone's political persuasion, religious choice, and clan affiliation should not influence public discourse unless the said indeed under discussion, and even then, one must not get personal, and try to remain less subjective in one's analyses, and critique.

R u malab? if not naga aamus

 

[Al hashimi]

Rather personal, would not you say? She can choose not to answer that question, or not.

In a nutshell, all I am saying is: be considerate, thoughtful, and big brotherly in your approach.

Someone's political persuasion, religious choice, and clan affiliation should not influence public discourse unless the said indeed under discussion, and even then, one must not get personal, and try to remain less subjective in one's analyses, and critique.

ok but this person mostly criticise islamic somali men like shush for once please it gets annoying

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

R u malab? if not naga aamus

All right. I raise my hands, and rest my case. Do continue on your path.

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

ok but this person mostly criticise islamic somali men like shush for once please it gets annoying

Have some self respect, and do not tell me to 'shush', please.

 

[Al hashimi]

I was referring to malab

 

[Abdisamad]

I was referring to malab

Leave malab alone waryaa..

 

[Internet Nomad]

I was referring to malab

I think she blocked you

 

[Gaarasho]

I don't get it, the somalis who always complain about "western ideologies" being evil or degeneate are always the ones who live in the west and benefit from it . You go online and whine about how the west is a "doomed" place yet go to university for free, you have free health care, public security, affordable education, affordable healthy food, no corruption or your safety being at risk.

You basically live in heaven compared to 70% of the rest of the world, yet you have to audacity to not only complain but also tell other somalis who live in Somalia to be more Conservative and stay away from liberalism and "adopt sharia law" as if Somalia already isn't one of the most religious countries on earth. A girl got harassed by 5 adeers in hargeisa for wearing jeans (mind you she had a hijab on) yet you as salafi muslim man expose your awrah by showing yout legs, knees and your thights wearing them short football pants in public.

The hypocrisy and entitlement somali diaspora have really makes me want to slap some of yall in the face to bring you back to reality.
Acknowledge your privillege nacala abaha ku yaal the rest of our people are currently starving and facing one of humanities worst disasters.


TOPIC 2.
the way some of you somali niman act is also outrageous too. Constantly policing random somali women about what they can and can't wear, how to live their lives, gossiping and makings stupid tiktoks like your teenage girls.



Usless nacas men like him guy are too common in our community. They're grow adult men going on music app talking about how somali women act "promiscuous" using quran verses yet ignore the verses in the quran which clearly indicate that it's a man duty to love and protect his country @AMusee and @Burqad Tell me warya are you spineless doqons as an adult man doing anything in your power to develop or protect your country of origin? Aside from spitting bullshit soyboy paragraphs online.

What verses mentions protecting and loving your country ?

 

[CALMONE20###]

@malab
See, when we engage in mature conversations, listen to each other, and exchange meaningful ideas, we could move in unison.

Do bear in mind, mostly young lads here, are not trully men, or representative of men, and do not really even know what being a man, a gentleman that is, trully entails.

In my experience, in here, on sSpot, was the first place I have ever seen where supposed grown men, in a passe way, would slag off, or even belittle Somali ladies. It is definitely not a Somali culture, at least not one I am familiar with, but ladies, that is not to say, you should take that to mean we men are like that - I know you do not, but sometimes it comes across as such.

Believe me when I say this, we are so trully ashamed of ourselves, have failed you, and are evil, we know, but we are trying. Say it once, and let us not speak of it.

True. Nothing but a bunch of boys on this forum. Somali men back home are more respectful than their diaspora counterparts.

 

[CALMONE20###]

I was referring to malab

Leave the woman alone

 

[Al hashimi]

Leave malab alone waryaa..

I’m jus tryna refute her

 

[CALMONE20###]

I’m jus tryna refute her

Walaal maad iska daysid inanta