Was Zeila originally afar?

[Khaemwaset]

We were also cucked by geography but we are Somalis so we survived anyway. Thank God cause he made Somali alhamdulilah

Somalis aren't really cucked but in the beginning yeah. We originated in the dry asf north but we conquered the whole peninsula.
We even took over hararghe on the Highlands by the 1500s and we were expanding so fast we nesrly took all of Kenya before the British stopped somalis and oromos in 1900.

Somalis rule the largest land of any ethnicity in sub saharan Africa mashallah. Half the horn is literally only Somali. Border of Eritrea to inside Kenya our ancestors did a great job taking all this land for us.

 

[Som]

Not 1 source u provided debunks the claim that Muhammad Dini ever ruled Zeila. You’re just spamming FKD due to cuqdad

Even if he did it has nothing to do with OP's question. I have zero issues admitting our Afar cousins had a presence in Zeila. The point is that the claim that Zeila was an afar city is preposterous and silly. If that was true it would mean there was a population replacement al over Awdal in the last 150 years. Now please tell me where are the Afars in Awdal and their descendants if they owned the place, have somalis genocided them? No , have somalis assimilated them? Not really cause we would have Afar minorities since Somalis keep paternal lineages. The truth is that Zeila was always a Somali city but with some Afar and Arab presence as it was a trading center. Your name days you are an Arab adnani so keep out of our history.

 

[Som]

Somalis aren't really cucked but in the beginning yeah. We originated in the dry asf north but we conquered the whole peninsula.
We even took over hararghe on the Highlands by the 1500s and we were expanding so fast we nesrly took all of Kenya before the British stopped somalis and oromos in 1900.

Somalis rule the largest land of any ethnicity in sub saharan Africa mashallah. Half the horn is literally only Somali. Border of Eritrea to inside Kenya our ancestors did a great job taking all this land for us.

Yes. I mean geography didn't play in our favor so we just moved from the dry North to settle in better lands. You are right we are the ethnicity with the largest land because by nature we explore and conquer.

 

[Three Moons]

What do you guys mean with the ‘dry North’? There were literally Elephants, Giraffes and Lions there only a century and half ago. The North is also teeming with the ruins of multiple medieval towns and cities, so it was not some uninhabitable wasteland, but a good place to settle, grow things and conduct trade, like the South. If you go back a couple of thousand years earlier the North would have been even more lush and green and with several rivers.

 

[Arkan]

Afars have history in Zeila and used to live there alongside the Somalis and other foreigners but the the overall Afar history in Zeila is over exaggerated. The foreign rulers of Zeila relied on internal support from the native tribes who controlled the trade routes to Zeila and Berbera in order to rule. Case in point Abu Bakr Pasha.

Interestingly, Afar Suldaan Abdoulkader Houmed of Tadjoura (AUN) was welcomed by Samaroon Suldaan Ibraahim Jaamac Samatar of Zeila (AUN) in the mid 2000s to commemorate the long shared history.

 

[sultan.ali177]

Not 1 source u provided debunks the claim that Muhammad Dini ever ruled Zeila. You’re just spamming FKD due to cuqdad

After the collapse of imamate of aussa Zeila was under mocha/ ottomans not tadjoura and the sultan clearly lied because because the city wasn't under abysinna (Abiffins) for centuries

 

[sultan.ali177]

Not 1 source u provided debunks the claim that Muhammad Dini ever ruled Zeila. You’re just spamming FKD due to cuqdad

You said somalis weren't ruling zeila when the city was under somalis in aussa state in the 1600s

 

[sultan.ali177]

Afars have history in Zeila and used to live there alongside the Somalis and other foreigners but the the overall Afar history in Zeila is over exaggerated. The foreign rulers of Zeila relied on internal support from the native tribes who controlled the trade routes to Zeila and Berbera in order to rule. Case in point Abu Bakr Pasha. View attachment 292353View attachment 292354View attachment 292355

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Interestingly, Afar Suldaan Abdoulkader Houmed of Tadjoura (AUN) was welcomed by Samaroon Suldaan Ibraahim Jaamac Samatar of Zeila (AUN) in the mid 2000s to commemorate the long shared history.

Afars didn't have a big population in zeila they only had governor issas were the majority of the population of the city look at Alfred bardey notes on harar/zeila 1890

Here's the khevidites ( Egyptian) map of zeila/Harar caravan route 1876

 

[silentshimbir]

“Indeed the first French to have set foot in Tadjourah, dates from December 27, 1709. Indeed after several stops in Aden, the French commercial vessels guided by Arab pilots from the Red Sea were heading towards the Gulf of Tadjourah. On January 3, 1710, passing between the island of Moucha and the coast of Tadjourah, they entered the "Society for Colonial and Maritime Studies, article 2, 1876 75 Tadjoura Bay. A large boat aboard which was an envoy of the Sultan of Tadjoura, Mohamed Dini was going ahead of them. This emissary sent them the letter of protection, in the name of the king of Adal and Zeyla: "We let you know that you have security and guarantee entirely in this port of Tadjourah to make water and wood, and we will give you a raban to introduce you to the city where you wish to stay. If you want to go to the port of Zeila it is the closest to the point where you were currently. We are people of good faith and we believe in God and his prophet. You have the safety of God and the safety of Sultan Mohamed, son of Sultan Dini”, on January 6, 1710, the commercial friendship treaty was signed between Sultan Mahammad Dini and Captain De La Merveille, commander of the French ships. The sultan undertakes to have the coffee imported from Ethiopia stored in Tadjoura with camels and to sell it only to the French¹¹. The captain of the Merveille undertakes for his part to pay 3% of customs duties on all goods purchased and embarked at the port of Tadjourah”.

An Afar man was ruling Zeila in 1708, almost a century before the map you just provided lol

he was a glorified ambassador and rich slave merchant for the Ottomans, nothing more nothing less, only selected by the Ottomans to be their man because his high profile connections in the region

 

[silentshimbir]

even to roman/ greeks sources the coast of tadjioura was called Dir

 

[ibrahym]

This boy doesn't like facts

 

[silentshimbir]

False second hand account made by a foreigner.
Southern Djibouti and Awdal is and always has been Dir.

Afars have always been confined to their geographic boundaries within the Danakil depression/Desert. At no point in history are they known for going outside that region. In fact we Ciise took over a big chunk of it under Djibouti.

Djibouti is like 90% afar land but we Ciise live in the south which is habitable so we are near 80% of the population.

before colonisation , cisse where on route to tadjoura to take . Cisse own a clear 50-60 of djibouti

 

[awsaleban667]

Zeila, Harar and all of afar land were ruled by issas under the imamate of Aussa danakilos were savage nomads who plundered muslim caravans while begging for help to the issa imam to fight oromos
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source for the documents ?

 

[Step a side]

Zeila, Harar and all of afar land were ruled by issas under the imamate of Aussa danakilos were savage nomads who plundered muslim caravans while begging for help to the issa imam to fight oromos
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The Issa took over from the Karanle. The founder of Awssa Imamate was a relative of imam Ahmed ibn Ibrahim known as imam Muhammad “Gasa” ibn Ibrahim, who was succeeded by his brother imam Muhammad “Gasa” ibn Ibrahim II, who was succeeded by his grandson imam Sabradiin Adan, who was succeeded by his son imam Sadiq Sabradiin, who was succeeded by his son Malaaq Aden Sadiq, who was succeeded by his nephew imam Ahmed Abraam.

It was after this long line of Karanle dynastic rulers since the days of Hobat through to Adal through to Awssa Imamate that the Issa Garaad diin Aden took over. Meanwhile all the waziirs of Harar were from the same dynastic family that was also managing Awssa simultaneously untill a new Harari dynastic family starting with Amiir Ali ibn Daud came to rule and secede from the Awssa Imamate which was on its last legs to start the new Emirate of Harar.

Here below is the family tree of Gasa who started the Awssa Imamate. He is related to Gragn. Ahmed Sami the most authoritative scholar of Harar that wrote extensively about Harar’s very early beginnings till the 20th century and who provided many important documents for several European institutions provided this family tree and it’s in accordance with what we as Karanle already knew. Many Amhara historians like Berhanu Kamal who’s the author of over 80 books and Mekuria who’s works are studied in Ethiopian universities are in agreement with this.

Here below are passages from the Afar chronicles regarding Awwsa stating the same thing.

 

[Step a side]

The harar emirate and awsa imamate lost karanle influence in the 18th century thanks to the ottomans, who propped up Afars and Hararis. But the defence perimiters of Harar was in Karanle country. There is a mention in sources of Menelik defeating a Karanle army on Christmas day and it was celebrated in Addis Ababa. Lij Yasu also conspired with us to defend Harar.

 

[sultan.ali177]

The Issa took over from the Karanle. The founder of Awssa Imamate was a relative of imam Ahmed ibn Ibrahim known as imam Muhammad “Gasa” ibn Ibrahim, who was succeeded by his brother imam Muhammad “Gasa” ibn Ibrahim II, who was succeeded by his grandson imam Sabradiin Adan, who was succeeded by his son imam Sadiq Sabradiin, who was succeeded by his son Malaaq Aden Sadiq, who was succeeded by his nephew imam Ahmed Abraam.

It was after this long line of Karanle dynastic rulers since the days of Hobat through to Adal through to Awssa Imamate that the Issa Garaad diin Aden took over. Meanwhile all the waziirs of Harar were from the same dynastic family that was also managing Awssa simultaneously untill a new Harari dynastic family starting with Amiir Ali ibn Daud came to rule and secede from the Awssa Imamate which was on its last legs to start the new Emirate of Harar.

Here below is the family tree of Gasa who started the Awssa Imamate. He is related to Gragn. Ahmed Sami the most authoritative scholar of Harar that wrote extensively about Harar’s very early beginnings till the 20th century and who provided many important documents for several European institutions provided this family tree and it’s in accordance with what we as Karanle already knew. Many Amhara historians like Berhanu Kamal who’s the author of over 80 books and Mekuria who’s works are studied in Ethiopian universities are in agreement with this.

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Here below are passages from the Afar chronicles regarding Awwsa stating the same thing.

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The harar emirate and awsa imamate lost karanle influence in the 18th century thanks to the ottomans, who propped up Afars and Hararis. But the defence perimiters of Harar was in Karanle country. There is a mention in sources of Menelik defeating a Karanle army on Christmas day and it was celebrated in Addis Ababa. Lij Yasu also conspired with us to defend Harar.

Ahmed gurey lineage is unkown and issas garad dynasty started in 1600s not 18th century

 

[sultan.ali177]

source for the documents ?

The Ethiopian Borderlands by Richard Pankhurst

 

[Aurelian]

Those who say Zeila was Afar or Danakil are deranged.

 

[Step a side]

Ahmed gurey lineage is unkown and issas garad dynasty started in 1600s not 18th century

His lineage is well known and its recognised by Ethiopia on a state level. We have Yemeni scholars (Ba Alawi), Harari scholars and Amhara scholars who all collect consistent manuscripts that are in agreement dating back centuries right upto Futuh and the Futuh itself. This is State funded and represents the viewpoint of the Ethiopian Government of Haile Selassie.

It’s a 1k page long monograph exclusively dedicated to the imam funded by emperor Haile Selassie. It was non other than Tekletsadiks who was handed the responsibility to find out everything about the imam and nationalise it. Cerulli, Burton & Paulitschke are all referenced by Mkuria he compares all foreign chronicles as well as medieval Sarsa Dengle’s and Portuguese chronicles! Ewald Wagner who also worked with Ahmed Sami was one of 3 foreign authors in Ethiopia, alongside Cerulli & Paulitschke, Mekuria uses the work of all three, they produced an important monograph of nearly 1K published pages about Gragn that is accepted in the capital state university.

 

[Step a side]

Ahmed gurey lineage is unkown and issas garad dynasty started in 1600s not 18th century

Emirate of Harar has nothing to do with when Issa started their Garaads however you are correct in that Imam Umaradiin the last Karanle imamate of Aussa was dated to 1647. That’s the 17th century. We still had long dynasty of judges at Zeila running during Richard Burton’s time