Was Mogadishu/Somalis better off under Italian rule?

[Timo Jareer and proud]

Mogadishu under Italians:
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Was life in Mogadishu better under colonial rule? Besides the humilation of being ruled by a foreign power, it seems like the Italians built up Mogadishu pretty well.

Mogadishu under Siad Barre was much better then both.

 

[Farah072]

Mogadishu under Siad Barre was much better then both.

I disagree. When he came in 1969 1 Somali shilling was equal to 6 USD and it never got stronger than that. By the 80s 1 USD was equal to 6,000 Somali shillings. All of Mogadishu infrastructure at that time was still from Italian colonial times the roads and everything.

All Siad did well Berbera to Soviets for weapons and more infrastructure money to spread out across different regions such as more roads for other regions which he contracted the Chinese to do off of the aid packages they received from Soviets. He basically did the bare minimum. He took control of a good situation and destroyed. In the end he couldn’t even gain his Soviet buddies allegiance when they ended up switching on us. Simply failure after failure with that guy but nobody wants to admit it.


Giving Siad credit is like giving Trump credit when Obama left him with an okay economy. Difference is Trump hasn’t yet destroyed that economy while it took Siad about less than 8 years to destroy his after disastrous 77 war which was the beginning of the end for Somali Republic economy

 

[Timo Jareer and proud]

I disagree. When he came in 1969 1 Somali shilling was equal to 6 USD and it never got stronger than that. By the 80s 1 USD was equal to 6,000 Somali shillings. All of Mogadishu infrastructure at that time was still from Italian colonial times the roads and everything.

All Siad did well Berbera to Soviets for weapons and more infrastructure money to spread out across different regions such as more roads for other regions which he contracted the Chinese to do off of the aid packages they received from Soviets. He basically did the bare minimum. He took control of a good situation and destroyed. In the end he couldn’t even gain his Soviet buddies allegiance when they ended up switching on us. Simply failure after failure with that guy but nobody wants to admit it.


Giving Siad credit is like giving Trump credit when Obama left him with an okay economy. Difference is Trump hasn’t yet destroyed that economy while it took Siad about less than 8 years to destroy his after disastrous 77 war which was the beginning of the end for Somali Republic economy

Dumbass Somali nationalism. And people wonder why Islam disproves of it.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

The stupidity that one can read on this forum always delivers the necessary comedy. Xamar was already a magnificent city before the Italians showed up. The Italians simply modernised the city with their non somali colonial workforce. Why even bother to compare the city in different timelines. Xamar became war torn the city isn't even rebuild to the former glory. Xamar will reclaim the title pearl of the indian Indian Ocean when Al shabaab is history and reconciliation. These negroes need to get an Somali history online course ASAP!!

 

[Nostalgia]

The only benefit was they taught Somalis about baasto.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

The Italians may have built very nice European architecture & some modern infrastructure, but the reality on the ground was that Italian settlers treated Somalis like second-class citizens.

They even continued using bantus as "forced labour", but banned Somalis from owning Slaves. Hypocrites.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

Why do some people attribute the previous success of nations to colonizers. This is the most common argument I hear from non muslims. So and so country fell because they took Islam seriously, look Islam brought terror and it destroyed their nation.

The Italians benefitted Somalia, ain't nobody gonna deny that but Somalis have always been the backbone of Somalia. The difference is the people. Those days, we had quality people with both deen and dhaqan.

What are u talking about? Back in those days Somalis were the most liberal they've ever been. the 60s and 70s for somalis were the golden years where Christians and Muslims danced together. People def less had iman and weren't as religious. Do u not see that the more 'religious' Somalia got the worse it became for the people? Secular society is good for Somalis.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

Mogadishu under Siad Barre was much better then both.

lol the Italians taught Siad Barre how to rule his country. If u look into Barre u know that he was secular and was friendly with the Italians and had no problem gunning down religoius fanatics. Ideas of secularism and anti-tribalism that Barre put forth were the same from the Italian colonizers. No other president moved like Barre moved.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

Italy were brutal rulers, taking in orphans and brainwashing them.

Brutal? They were the most symphatetic and 'nice' colonizers out of Europe. They benefitted Somali infrastructure, education and institutions and they didn't discriminate Somalis as much as people like to say. Now, imagine we got colonized by Belgians or French? They would destroy our culture and spirit and we'd end up like Madows in WA.

 

[mustang22]

I miss the old Mogadishu with Fiat 500's and Volkswagen Beetles lining the streets. Somalia was better under fascism than islamism.

 

[Starscream]

Brutal? They were the most symphatetic and 'nice' colonizers out of Europe. They benefitted Somali infrastructure, education and institutions and they didn't discriminate Somalis as much as people like to say. Now, imagine we got colonized by Belgians or French? They would destroy our culture and spirit and we'd end up like Madows in WA.

Somalis like to play victim my family was personally affected by both colonist one caused my great grandfather to be killed while the other raised my grandfather Italians by far are the best white people

 

[Yonis]

Mogadishu did not number more than 50,000 during the time of Italian rule. It has a population of 2.5 million now.

2 million more trash who can't look after themselves. Yaaaaaaay progress!

 

[TheAnswer]

@Bold So, essentially, colonization...? Or do you mean the entirety of Somalia, the country, losing its sovereignty and being reduced to a federal state under another government?

I think you might be right, if the latter is the case. So long as they have representation in the new country as a federal state, I’m forced to agree with your observation due to the facts on the ground. Otherwise, 30 years and counting...

I mean like an East African Union, and maybe hopefully in the more distant future a united AU or world gov

 

[BenInHer]

The Italians controlled all the private sectors. While we held minor posts..

They got rich of our backs. we were their bread and butter for Italy.. so no..

 

[XamarWeeaboo]

Mogadishu under Italians:
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Mogadishu now:
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Was life in Mogadishu better under colonial rule? Besides the humilation of being ruled by a foreign power, it seems like the Italians built up Mogadishu pretty well.

Under the Italians, how much of Xamar was open to Somalis- those that didn't convert or sleep their way into those quarter? Also, I'd say that under Barre's regime Xmar truly flourished, despite it's problems, and I'm talking pre-1980s, before things went down hill.

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

exactly. Italians were the best colonizers for Somalis. The British destroyed anything the Italians built.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

exactly. Italians were the best colonizers for Somalis. The British destroyed anything the Italians built.

Think about it, had the Italians along with their Allies(Japan & Germany) not lost WW2...Somaliweyn & the HOA at large would've ended up like this:

Our lands would've been heavily Italianised culturally & linguistically, in addition heavy immigration of Italians settling to impose their culture. Imperial Italy's end goal was to fully integrate the HOA colony culturally with the Mother country(Italy).

 

[Waaqo of Punt]

Think about it, had the Italians along with their Allies(Japan & Germany) not lost WW2...Somaliweyn & the HOA at large would've ended up like this:

Our lands would've been heavily Italianised culturally & linguistically, in addition heavy immigration of Italians settling to impose their culture. Imperial Italy's end goal was to fully integrate the HOA colony culturally with the Mother country(Italy).

I mostly agree but i'm not saying the Italians should have stayed, just that out of all colonizers Italians were were the most beneficial to Somalis. Look at what the belgians did in Congo and the French in West Africa. At least Italians gave benefit to Somalia.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Brutal? They were the most symphatetic and 'nice' colonizers out of Europe. They benefitted Somali infrastructure, education and institutions and they didn't discriminate Somalis as much as people like to say. Now, imagine we got colonized by Belgians or French? They would destroy our culture and spirit and we'd end up like Madows in WA.

They where nice because of the treaties that were signed. Somalis delivered resistance to the max the even used aeroplanes on us. Hence the difference between our protectorate status and the brutal colonization of other africans

 

[Basra]

Mogadishu under Italians:
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Mogadishu now:
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Was life in Mogadishu better under colonial rule? Besides the humilation of being ruled by a foreign power, it seems like the Italians built up Mogadishu pretty well.

U know my answer is YES!!!


Even tho Italians are the weak White man, the lowest, still better than Somalis.

the enture African continent is need of a white man as a ruler . Period. things will be so much better! If society has a race to look up to, things fall in line very well!

But when u have this one to look up to

....u get dis-moralized.

@Lolalola