Wallahi, this is too accurate!

[HiraanBorn]

I think it's perhaps safe to say blowing people up in a makhayad offends Allah more than drinking wine and zina.


I wanna know too!

I think all these things offend Allah S.W.T equally because they are all explicitly forbidden

 

[Bundasliga]

I think all these things offend Allah S.W.T equally because they are all explicitly forbidden

I'm sure killing a Muslim is a greater harm/sin than zina or drinking alcohol

 

[Juke]

Yes they used to but even then you should avoid eating anything that isn't halal there is no point 40 days worth of sallah isn't accepted each time you eat something haram.

Can you provide a source for Christian ritual slaughter? I can only think of Habesha Orthodox Christians and St. Thomas Christians in Malabar who keep aspects of Judaic kashrut (invoke name of god when slaughtering and abstain from pork and shellfish).

 

[Qahwe]

This thread is about Liberal Muslims and people are coming in with "at least they're better than..."

Typical western Muslim woman, what a hypocrite

 

[Angelina]

I don’t understand them. I understand Muslims who might behave liberally but understand that their antics are wrong and have a bit of remorse, but I don’t understand those that try to justify things that are blatantly haram despite their being no consensus of it ever being acceptable. What is the end goal here? Reform and change the deen? That could make you leave the fold of Islam.

 

[Angelina]

What's the point about McDonald's? It's halal for Muslims to eat from the people of the book. Weird UK salafis

Funnily enough it’s mostly the Salafis in the UK, who argue you can eat meat from the West as they’re Christians ect.

 

[kickz]

And they usually have Sufi somewhere in their profile

 

[GemState]

Boomer or zoomer? Boomers are not that liberal

Boomer Muslims in large parts of the Muslim world (South Asia, Indonesia, North Africa) are more liberal than zoomers

Muslims globally were much less religious in the 60s/70s than now. Turkey, Indonesia, Central Asia, Tunisia, Albania used to ban the hijab and harass women if they wore it.

 

[Odious Delirium]

Can you provide a source for Christian ritual slaughter? I can only think of Habesha Orthodox Christians and St. Thomas Christians in Malabar who keep aspects of Judaic kashrut (invoke name of god when slaughtering and abstain from pork and shellfish).

It's basically kosher and they don't really do it any more I'm kinda referring to the prophet's time not now adays I don't know of anyone that does it these days especially in the West. Maybe Christians in the middle east do

 

[Juke]

It's basically kosher and they don't really do it any more I'm kinda referring to the prophet's time not now adays I don't know of anyone that does it these days especially in the West. Maybe Christians in the middle east do

Armenian Christians (Matagh) and Byzantine-descended Orthodox Christians (Kourbani) have ritual animal sacrifices where they evoke the name of God but it's for special occasions, not every meal. There's no evidence early Christians killed animals in the name of God before every meal.

Aside from pork cross-contamination, there's no reason to say eating meat slaughtered by Christians isn't halal when Quran 5:5 explicitly states otherwise.

 

[Shimbiris]

I don’t understand them. I understand Muslims who might behave liberally but understand that their antics are wrong and have a bit of remorse, but I don’t understand those that try to justify things that are blatantly haram despite their being no consensus of it ever being acceptable. What is the end goal here? Reform and change the deen? That could make you leave the fold of Islam.

They're trapped between two worlds. They grew up in a westernized environment and adopted mainstream western morals and views and respect them deeply yet they also grew up within a Muslim household and local community which they don't want to lose so they try desperately to reconcile the two. They've also basically adopted the gaal practice of being of a religion only in name:

They're functionally atheists or agnostics or at best deists. They are "Muslim" insofar as they may celebrate Eid, feel guilty when it's Ramadan and they're not fasting (rofl), get mad when cadaans get discriminatory toward Muslims, then fawn over the history of Muslim groups and aspects of the culture like architecture and various random customs that make them feel oh so like exotic Orientals. Otherwise they're as Muslim as John down the street who hasn't been to a Church since he was 10 is Catholic. They've adopted gaalos' custom of being of a religion only in name and the "fun" aspects of the culture like the marketing cash grabs they've turned Eid and Christmas into.

 

[Aurelian]

But there are erotica poems, medievel islamic societies had some apples that inserted their erotica as poems, some had guy avenues in Bagdad, though it was acknowledged that it was a degeneracy and sin. And why the MCdonalds?

 

[Shimbiris]

But there are erotica poems, medievel islamic societies had some apples that inserted their erotica as poems, some had guy avenues in Bagdad, though it was acknowledged that it was a degeneracy and sin. And why the MCdonalds?

Most Muslims seem to believe gaal meat is not xalaal since they do not slaughter in the name of god or like Muslims and Jews do it. I remember travelling abroad as a kid with my family. We'd only eat at Arab restaurants that said their meat was xalaal and avoid fast food or have seafood. @Reformed J I've noticed similar with cousins abroad who will get their meats from kosher shops if no Muslim joints are available but you raise an interesting point in that there maybe no proof that Christians ever really ritualistically slaughtered animals yet the Qur'an does state eating their meats is fine.

 

[Juke]

Most Muslims seem to believe gaal meat is not xalaal since they do not slaughter in the name of god or like Muslims and Jews do it. I remember travelling abroad as a kid with my family. We'd only eat at Arab restaurants that said their meat was xalaal and avoid fast food or have seafood. @Reformed J I've noticed similar with cousins abroad who will get their meats from kosher shops if no Muslim joints are available but you raise an interesting point in that there maybe no proof that Christians ever really ritualistically slaughtered animals yet the Qur'an does state eating their meats is fine.

I've heard of objections on the basis of cross-contamination and whether the butchers are truly Christian or not, but the requirement of having Christians essentially say bismillah is a new one lol. Allahu alam at the end of the day.

 

[Shimbiris]

I've heard of objections on the basis of cross-contamination and whether the butchers are truly Christian or not, but the requirement of having Christians essentially say bismillah is a new one lol. Allahu alam at the end of the day.

Wallahi, I even struggle with the whole pork thing even though I don't eat it. It's really not unsafe at all given modern standards and lots of long-living, very healthy historical groups like rural Greek islanders and Okinawans ate lots of it. In countries like Germany the health and sanitation standards are so high that you can consume pork raw with no issues:



It also has a really good fat to protein ratio that seems to just lean people out if they strictly eat it with a "carnivore" type diet. I dunno, walaal, would God almighty really send me to naar for eating it? I ponder but the Qur'an is clear on this.

Funnily though, there are records of Arabian tribes who ate wild boar until even the 19th-20th centuries. In the same book of one of the first sources I shared here there is mention of a tribe who were known to make lard from wild boar and sometimes eat their meat as well, from what I recall. Islam is historically kinda funny that way in that a lot of xaraam things got ignored with certain peoples like how, though they'd disapprove, people generally left various Berbers be when it came to tattooing.

 

[Odious Delirium]

Armenian Christians (Matagh) and Byzantine-descended Orthodox Christians (Kourbani) have ritual animal sacrifices where they evoke the name of God but it's for special occasions, not every meal. There's no evidence early Christians killed animals in the name of God before every meal.

Aside from pork cross-contamination, there's no reason to say eating meat slaughtered by Christians isn't halal when Quran 5:5 explicitly states otherwise.

Mechanical slaughter is haram and keep in mind that the name of God needs to be evoked and these companies today aren't Christian and everything is automated by machines. Otherwise there would be no difference between there meat and pagan meat. The whole point is that they believe in the same god so they basically are slaughting in Allah's name. The prophet ate from the Jews but I don't recall him eating anything made by Christians although there where Christians around him. I believe the prophet said in a hadeeth to only eat the meat of those from the people of the book if they invoked God over it so it doesn't matter if its a norm for Christians or not its only ok if you know they have done ritual slaughter which they are know not to do for the most part and none of these fast food places are Christian that's a huge cope on your part.

 

[Juke]

Wallahi, I even struggle with the whole pork thing even though I don't eat it. It's really not unsafe at all given modern standards and lots of long-living, very healthy historical groups like rural Greek islanders and Okinawans ate lots of it. In countries like Germany the health and sanitation standards are so high that you can consume pork raw with no issues:



It also has a really good fat to protein ratio that seems to just lean people out if they strictly eat it with a "carnivore" type diet. I dunno, walaal, would God almighty really send me to naar for eating it? I ponder but the Qur'an is clear on this.

Funnily though, there are records of Arabian tribes who ate wild boar until even the 19th-20th centuries. In the same book of one of the first sources I shared here there is mention of a tribe who were known to make lard from wild boar and sometimes eat their meat as well, from what I recall. Islam is historically kinda funny that way in that a lot of xaraam things got ignored with certain peoples like how, though they'd disapprove, people generally left various Berbers be when it came to tattooing.

Eating raw meat is an point interesting. There's definitely trade-offs.

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[Juke]

Mechanical slaughter is haram and keep in mind that the name of God needs to be evoked and these companies today aren't Christian and everything is automated by machines. Otherwise there would be no difference between there meat and pagan meat. The whole point is that they believe in the same god so they basically are slaughting in Allah's name. The prophet ate from the Jews but I don't recall him eating anything made by Christians although there where Christians around him. I believe the prophet said in a hadeeth to only eat the meat of those from the people of the book if they invoked God over it so it doesn't matter if its a norm for Christians or not its only ok if you know they have done ritual slaughter which they are know not to do for the most part and none of these fast food places are Christian that's a huge cope on your part.

Your argument is based on the notion that Christians at the time of Rasulallah said something along the lines of bisma abi, bismi ibni, wa bismi ruhi qudus...need a source on that or the supposed hadith.

 

[Shimbiris]

Mechanical slaughter is haram and keep in mind that the name of God needs to be evoked and these companies today aren't Christian and everything is automated by machines. Otherwise there would be no difference between there meat and pagan meat. The whole point is that they believe in the same god so they basically are slaughting in Allah's name.

One of the weirdest things I've ever seen in my life was a video of a "modern xalaal slaughter". No one was in the room and a machine would slit the cow's throat and bleed it out but guess what? They had "Bismillah" playing on a loop through a speaker in the room. They automated a religious ritual.

 

[Odious Delirium]

One of the weirdest things I've ever seen in my life was a video of a "modern xalaal slaughter". No one was in the room and a machine would slit the cow's throat and bleed it out but guess what? They had "Bismillah" playing on a loop through a speaker in the room. They automated a religious ritual.

Yeah that not allowed either lol I personally only eat from places I know are certified. A lot of places are calling themselves "halal" now a day and they electrocute the animals to death its crazy how they get away with calling there meat halal.