UN special rep tells Xamar its over!

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If you want a real-world example, look at how the Somali region of Ethiopia (Ogaden) stabilized. They didn’t defeat insurgency with pure force , they set up a Truth and Reconciliation Commission and invested in grassroots governance. Local councils were empowered, which fostered clan dialogue, built trust, and expanded inclusive governance.

Trust and inclusive governance in Ethiopia with empowered local councils.

This has to be Cagjars burner.

 

[Noble]

Failure of Gurgurte AS offensive highlighted

 

[Idilinaa]

Trust and inclusive governance in Ethiopia with empowered local councils.

This has to be Cagjars burner.

Actually it was from this article that outlined what they did, you should read the whole article and all the way to the bottom.

Five years on: a region of stability in Ethiopia | Conciliation Resources

Five years ago, on 21 October 2018, the Government of Ethiopia and the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) signed the Asmara Peace Deal - an historic occasion marking the end of over 30 years of armed conflict in the Somali Regional State of Ethiopia (SRS). But a peace deal isn’t an...

www.c-r.org

A lot of what played a prevalent role in bringing peace were organizations outside the government such as "The Somali Non-State Actors Coalition" etc. and also networks and commissions giving victims and survivors of conflict a voice to redress things.

I hope we can one day do something similar to that in Somalia, create a national reconciliation like this that heals communities.

 

[MVPSOM]

Xamar has been over since 1991. Anyone who is waiting for a hope for Xamar is wasting his/her time.

 

[bobby_hill-Punt]

HSM should not negotiate with Shabaab at least for now. HSM unfortunately doesn't have the upper hand if negotiations begin right now. If negotiations must happen then it should happen with HSM finally regains the upper hand on Shabaab.

I think one year ago I seen a twitter where it stated HSM had add Shabaab leader inside congress . Im not sure if this was true or not but its a shitty idea if its his.

 

[Aurelian]

Quite interesting how Al Shabab can bomb Mogadishu and kill 500 people, and that doesn’t affect their legitimacy and credibility, but FGS engaging in counter terrorism affects their credibility and legitimacy.

Alshabaab has monoply on violence and terror, no matter how many people the bomb, no civilian in the south will speak against them because of fear. The FGS should make sure it is the bigger fish

 

[Thegoodshepherd]

There is no such thing as a confict having "no military solution". Wars are won and they are lost. If you are not willing to spend enough blood and treasure to win, you will lose.

The war against Alshabab can be won. The US dropped 124,000 pounds of explosives on Cal Miskaat this week and ISIS is being whittled down. In a few months Puntland will be going into Cal Madow to destroy Alshabab.

You keep killing enough of them and they will lose. You can always shoot your way out of all military problems.

 

[NordicSomali]

It’s really a war against an ideology that’s difficult to uproot. The problem is the sheikhs/ulema that don’t condemn al shabaab sufficiently and even somewhat share core ideology with them.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

He is still walking around. Imo there should be an investigation or trial because of his past.

So was mahdi, he was given a state funeral at the end was he not

 

[DR OSMAN]

Lots of Somalis from Somaliland and Puntland in Dubai financially supported the ICU through donations. They also gave lots of moral support but that goes without saying. Al Shabab will go north of Galkacyo. Their propaganda videos and communication materials are top quality for Somali standards.
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The Somalia government is incredibly incompetent and weak and cannot defeat Al Shabab. I know of a guy who got a very senior role heading an organization with the HSM government. He has zero strategy or overall organizational skills, like many Somalis, but also more shocking, he's below average in intelligence. I have been told he got fired from jobs in Canada. Somalia has no hope.

Of course PL has members in there and SL govt is heavily active and pays them zako and hosts them. PL deal was simple not on our land u conduct any movement and let the playground be hawiye land and its spoils shared islamically mashallah.

Plus we talk to our cilmo adeero across all idealogy, we r united on our common love for our ancestoral land regardless of idealogy of the day due to our stste having local legitimacy. We.dont care who wins Somalia but we do have members in all factions we just not on board that the theater or spoils is PL.

 

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Actually it was from this article that outlined what they did, you should read the whole article and all the way to the bottom.

Five years on: a region of stability in Ethiopia | Conciliation Resources

Five years ago, on 21 October 2018, the Government of Ethiopia and the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) signed the Asmara Peace Deal - an historic occasion marking the end of over 30 years of armed conflict in the Somali Regional State of Ethiopia (SRS). But a peace deal isn’t an...

www.c-r.org

A lot of what played a prevalent role in bringing peace were organizations outside the government such as "The Somali Non-State Actors Coalition" etc. and also networks and commissions giving victims and survivors of conflict a voice to redress things.

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I hope we can one day do something similar to that in Somalia, create a national reconciliation like this that heals communities.

Trust and inclusive government would imply fair elections and a healthy relationship with opposition. Which is simply untrue.

Ethiopia routinely has periods like this where tension builds up but there isnt active conflict. It wasn’t because of ‘reconciliation’ that the WSLF ceased operations in the 80s and it wasnt reconciliation that ceased operations from 1964-1976.

In this current time it was simply easier for Cagjar and company to go back on the terms agreed then it was for the ONLF. Trying to fight insurgency from forming in Ethiopia is like trying to fight gravity.

 

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Actually it was from this article that outlined what they did, you should read the whole article and all the way to the bottom.

Five years on: a region of stability in Ethiopia | Conciliation Resources

Five years ago, on 21 October 2018, the Government of Ethiopia and the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) signed the Asmara Peace Deal - an historic occasion marking the end of over 30 years of armed conflict in the Somali Regional State of Ethiopia (SRS). But a peace deal isn’t an...

www.c-r.org

A lot of what played a prevalent role in bringing peace were organizations outside the government such as "The Somali Non-State Actors Coalition" etc. and also networks and commissions giving victims and survivors of conflict a voice to redress things.

View attachment 362108

I hope we can one day do something similar to that in Somalia, create a national reconciliation like this that heals communities.

EDIT: I mistook this for a seperate article by Juweria Ali. I read the article in full and im even more convinced you are Cagjars burner.

For clarification the article is surrounding Fowsia Abdulkadir Qaasim. She is Jifo mates with Cagjar but even worse she is immediate family to Cagjars right hand man Xuseen Qaasim.

I might as well take Jihaan Xasan Sheekhs tweets as proof that HSM is saving Somalia.

 

[DR OSMAN]

EDIT: I mistook this for a seperate article by Juweria Ali. I read the article in full and im even more convinced you are Cagjars burner.

For clarification the article is surrounding Fowsia Abdulkadir Qaasim. She is Jifo mates with Cagjar but even worse she is immediate family to Cagjars right hand man Xuseen Qaasim.

I might as well take Jihaan Xasan Sheekhs tweets as proof that HSM is saving Somalia.

Well JL is smiting itself always playing in murky territories because Madoobe is way to trigger happy with his political hand(wa fudeed badan yahay hadu Dano dhow AMA short term interest arko at the expense of Ogaden long term NFD, DDS interest).

Since 2013 till now nigga has been dealing with a war with Mogadishu interference in Gedo and even inside Kismayo with Ogaden sub clans trying to create an Aideed n Ali mahdi 4 month war scenario there or using a sade horgal rebellion. The agenda has been set since 2000 carta conference to smack the dust of the samaale union and this means they need to break JL, swallow it up, march to galkacyo with GM n HS squads, swallow up PL, tell snm u clean up your self declared house and create Samaale federation of north n south in a twin capital model(mog n hargeisa si darod looga yeersiyo inta kale ma roti ba). It's an alliance based on clan hate only.

This is all handed to hamar by IOG in Djibouti when he summons the irir loyalists for their yearly samaale summit there and his only doing it due to fear of Djibouti folks uprising if Somalia is faring better then his enclave, the other reason is he doesn't want Djibouti to lose geopolitical relevancy to a stronger Somalia in the peninsula. So his motives are blatant he don't want Somalia doing well he assumes he may lose Djibouti relevancy or even his office to local rebels jealous of prosperous Somalia.

 

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Well JL is smiting itself always playing in murky territories because Madoobe is way to trigger happy with his political hand(wa fudeed badan yahay hadu Dano dhow AMA short term interest arko at the expense of Ogadsn long term interest).

Since 2013 till now nigga has been dealing with a war with Mogadishu interference in Gedo and even inside Kismayo and Ogaden sub clans trying to create an Aideed n Ali mahdi 4 month war scenario there or using sade rebellion.

This is all handed to hamar by IOG in Djibouti when he summons the irir loyalists for their yearly samaale summit there and his only doing it due to fear of Djibouti folks uprising if Somalia is faring better then his enclave, the other reason is he doesn't want Djibouti to lose geopolitical relevancy to a stronger Somalia in the peninsula.

The use of the military and his treatment of opposition is where I have qualms with Madoobe.

Everything else to do with Puntland, Xamse, Charcoal, Kenya, AS, FGS, Ethiopia etc is garbage to me and is essentially all built on misinformation.

 

[Idilinaa]

Trust and inclusive government would imply fair elections and a healthy relationship with opposition. Which is simply untrue.

Ethiopia routinely has periods like this where tension builds up but there isnt active conflict. It wasn’t because of ‘reconciliation’ that the WSLF ceased operations in the 80s and it wasnt reconciliation that ceased operations from 1964-1976.

In this current time it was simply easier for Cagjar and company to go back on the terms agreed then it was for the ONLF. Trying to fight insurgency from forming in Ethiopia is like trying to fight gravity.

Even though the WSLF ceased operations in the 1980s, the ONLF didn’t , they continued pressing the issue of Somali self-determination through both armed and political means.

Cagjar didn’t singlehandedly create the current political atmosphere. It was the ONLF that pushed for a political solution and then registered as a major party within the Ethiopian political system, marking a strategic shift toward peaceful engagement

Today, the Somali region has a far more inclusive local government than ever before and that’s a direct result of ONLF’s decision to pursue reform through peaceful negotiation rather than conflict

Sure, there are valid critiques to be made but this is still a meaningful step forward. It shows that political reconciliation, when it’s locally driven, can shift the dynamics even in a place as historically volatile as Ethiopia’s Somali region.

EDIT: I mistook this for a seperate article by Juweria Ali. I read the article in full and im even more convinced you are Cagjars burner.

For clarification the article is surrounding Fowsia Abdulkadir Qaasim. She is Jifo mates with Cagjar but even worse she is immediate family to Cagjars right hand man Xuseen Qaasim.

I might as well take Jihaan Xasan Sheekhs tweets as proof that HSM is saving Somalia.

That’s the only thing you took away from the article? Not the fact that, in addition to the SRC, they also helped establish the Somali Region Victims Network, the Council of Peace and Unity (CPU), the Somali Non-State Actors Coalition, and the Women’s Dialogue Space (Ugaaso) , all grassroots organizations focused on peacebuilding and reconciliation?

For the record, I don’t know anything about Dr. Fowsia personally , and frankly, who she’s related to is irrelevant.

Instead of politicizing someone’s identity or dismissing their contributions based on clan affiliations, maybe focus on the outcomes of their work. That’s what matters, and that’s what I’m interested in , learning from what’s worked on the ground and drawing lessons from it.