UN special rep tells Xamar its over!

[Idilinaa]

It’s cause she routinely uses ai for everything she posts. That’s why it feels so unnatural and confusing to so many people. It doesn’t come from real critical thought or understanding. Also explains the walls of text she posts all day.View attachment 362327

Below is carry on from another other thread since you shared the same post there as well:

This how anyone can tell you are forcing this AI nonsense. Because it spits out something completely irrelevant to what i have spoken about.

Not a single time did i actually mention or make commentary on Ethiopia's entire federalism system, in that other thread.

Nor have i mentioned or commented on Oromia, Amhara or Tigray governance either.

What i did however was describe the various organizations they set up in the Somali region to achieve political reconciliation and how they have worked.

This is what i said


And it is based on this article, which i share a lot.

Five years on: a region of stability in Ethiopia | Conciliation Resources

Five years ago, on 21 October 2018, the Government of Ethiopia and the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) signed the Asmara Peace Deal - an historic occasion marking the end of over 30 years of armed conflict in the Somali Regional State of Ethiopia (SRS). But a peace deal isn’t an...

www.c-r.org

And yes, they have a more inclusive government. Before they used to have a military government dominated by non-Ogadenian's. Now they have a civil administration with self-rule.

That's a major improvement. Again this is from a post made by Somali Digital Media in which it describes the political transformation. It's not taken from AI.


I don't need to be Cagjar burner or AI to acknowledge any of it . But keep reaching , because nothing will take away from anything i have said no matter how you attempt to spin it.

I give props and credit, where credit it is due. If people are making progress or improvements i'll comment on it and share it. I don't carry resentment towards the Somali collective like you guys do where i act blind to development taking place or ally myself exclusively with a clan, faction or region against another.

Saying ''So no" is humanism as well lmaao.

It's pretty obvious he programmed and told his ChatGPT to frame my sentence as AI and he is forcing that.

Otherwise we wouldn't get two different answers to the same questions.

 

[TheLand]

Below is carry on from another other thread since you shared the same post there as well:

So you’re not going to try to refute that your comments here sounds like Cagjar’s burner cause they came from ai slop?

 

[Idilinaa]

So you’re not going to try to refute that your comments here sounds like Cagjar’s burner cause they came from ai slop?

You implied that in a post where i mentioned they set up a local council called "Council of Peace and Unity" and the "Truth and Reconciliation Comission" was taken from AI when it was taken directly from an article i linked.

Nothing said there was taken from AI. Everything i said was true. They did literally set up a local council called "Council of Peace and Unity" which is focused on promoting peace and stability within the region. They also did set up a committee called "Truth and Reconciliation Commission"

It's directly taken from an article i linked. Maybe you should read it.

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Information taken straight out of an article that outlines it all , is AI apparently. The reach.

There is a reason to why when you copied my words, AI spewed unrelated word salad about Oromia, Amhara, Tigray and Abyi Ahmed and NGO with no mention to the Somali region or developments that took place there.

But keep reaching

 

[DR OSMAN]

You implied that in a post where i mentioned they set up a local council called "Council of Peace and Unity" and the "Truth and Reconciliation Comission" was taken from AI when it was taken directly from an article i linked.



But keep reaching

Yeah Farole knows how to deal with the moryanimo values that's festering all over hamar, he had a motherfucker hangool on their throat the red eyed moryan somali type of resident be it gudo or dibad. Abdillahi Yusuf also did. Deni is tough on them also.

But that gaas was very ciyaal xaafaad type from the 70s hamar type, lama janqaadin dalka post 91 which is moryan era and which is when I was there also for my dhaqan Celin way before al qaeda shit, but I was kinda prepared knowing how money is paramount value due to my abti conditioning thru out life.

 

[TheLand]

You implied that in a post where i mentioned they set up a local council called "Council of Peace and Unity" and the "Truth and Reconciliation Comission" was taken from AI when it was taken directly from an article i linked.



But keep reaching

It was taken from ai and the ai gave you the citations as I already said, but that is really just besides the point and a deflection from you. I wasn’t even the one to call out your ridiculousness, I just named exactly what you were doing. You constantly post ai slop in order to prestige farm. That is why you never sound like you actually understand what you are saying. It also explains your walls of text 24/7.

 

[Idilinaa]

It was taken from ai and the ai gave you the citations as I already said, but that is really just besides the point and a deflection from you. I wasn’t even the one to call out your ridiculousness, I just named exactly what you were doing. You constantly post ai slop in order to prestige farm. That is why you never sound like you actually understand what you are saying. It also explains your walls of text 24/7.

This is what you said just now

Unrelated word salad? It said you clearly don’t understand the implications of what you are saying. Thats why removed said you sound like a burner. Stop trying to deflect. It’s clear what you are doing. Also, ai scours the internet and provides links and backup for citations.

Not only is it Information directly taken from an article/post that i link throughout the thread, that you are trying to deflect from the real developments and points being shared.

It's also from an article i have continuously been quoting from and linking from since last year.

One of my posts from back in September where i directly quote it and link it:

It's literally the most peaceful progressive and enterpreneurial place in Ethiopia right now Literally for 6 years straight now it's the most stabile place.

Five years on: a region of stability in Ethiopia | Conciliation Resources

Five years ago, on 21 October 2018, the Government of Ethiopia and the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) signed the Asmara Peace Deal - an historic occasion marking the end of over 30 years of armed conflict in the Somali Regional State of Ethiopia (SRS). But a peace deal isn’t an...

www.c-r.org

“Currently there’s a freedom of movement, there’s a freedom of economy, there’s a freedom of business. So the most important thing is peace first, and we can say the Somali region is the most peaceful region in the whole of Ethiopia. And that was brought by the agreement between ONLF and the government.”

You have Ethiopians complaining about Somalis when they are clearly the problem, literal chaos makers.

I posted about the developments in Galbeed @NidarNidar you should read them too, manufacturing industry, region wide power, agriculture, transport, medical facilities, technical schools, roads etc

Somali Region + Babiile Pictures & Videos

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AD3mHade4edifne/ Erer valley is breathtakingly beautifull

www.somalispot.com

Somali Region + Babiile Pictures & Videos

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1AD3mHade4edifne/ Erer valley is breathtakingly beautifull

www.somalispot.com

After you have read those posts compare of what i have shown briefly in that thread to the complaints by rational Ethiopians calling BS on their propaganda peddlers about development that isn't happening in the other regions.

I have been linking and sharing the exact same article since July 2024, on closer inspection.

Everything is from my own research. I don't use AI to give me links or sources or citations.

If anything if you go back through my posts you will start to see just how consistent i have been throughout the years and months, echoing the same things.

 

[EritreanPost_]

The ONLF was created in the mid 80s and largely operated in the capacity they currently do until 91’. They werent even based in SR let alone in war.

The WSLF was forced to cease operations because they were attacked by rebels on behalf of Mengistu within Somalia. MSB also restricted the WSLF because he was afraid of Mengistu. This was all in the midst of massive operations from the ENDF.

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Of course Cagjar didn’t he was a nobody. Ethiopia loves annointing people who owe their handlers a career.

The Ethiopians struck a deal with the ONLF in which they would essentially return to power in exchange for a ceasefire/peace deal. The Ethiopians had no intention of ever keeping that and the ONLF took the offer because Eritrea(key base) was looking to make peace with the Ethiopians and the ONLF was already a shell of what it was militarily since Ileys violent purge.

Axmed Yasiin was supported by Cagjar years back to form a parallel ONLF to give the veneer of the inclusivity your talking about. You are just sharing cheap propaganda.

The most inclusive government formed was SRs first government whilst the TPLF was still weak, it was a coalition of the regions liberation fronts/parties and they shortly after announced a referendum which is what initiated the recent conflict.
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The TPLF literally did that same parallel ONLF play and attempted to install a non-Ogaden as president of SR who they quickly scrapped because he was useless. Nothing new, Cagjar even gave his son a minister position as a gesture.
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Its clear you are missing the most basic prerequisite knowledge on even relevant actors. Her clan could be irrelevant, being blood relatives is absolutely a conflict of interest the author even citing her reflects alot.

These organizations mostly exist as pretext in hunting Ileys cronies(as they should). Unlike Somalia there wasnt total inter-clan warfare so who exactly was the reconciliation with if not the ONLF??

Onlf should come back to Asmara

 

[Removed]

I’m well aware of the WSLF’s history , and even the text you just shared in the spoiler confirms that the ONLF was essentially a splinter group that picked up the mantle.

The transition between the two wasn’t a break in momentum, but rather an evolution of the same nationalist movement under new leadership and structure. ONLF may not have launched a full armed campaign right away, but it carried forward the same political objectives from the mid-to-late ’80s and eventually escalated after 1991.


So trying to disconnect the ONLF from the broader liberation trajectory is historically inaccurate.




It genuinely pisses me off reading about how groups like the SDDF and SNM actively collaborated with Ethiopia to undermine both Somalia and the struggle in the Ogaden.

I have to say, Siad Barre’s decision to tell the WSLF to stand down for the time being, was pragmatism. He understood the cost of prolonged conflict and wanted to de-escalate to prevent further suffering and economic collapse. That was leadership under impossible pressure.


I’m well aware of that , which is why ONLF themselves have begun to speak out against the current administration for failing to honor the full terms of the agreement.

That said, it still marks an improvement from the past, especially considering that for decades the Somali Region had no self-rule at all and was governed through militarization rather than civilian authority.

The current situation, while far from perfect, at least offers a level of regional autonomy, civil governance, and developmental momentum that didn't exist before. That stability matters.
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Personally, I take a longer-term view than ONLF. I believe the Somali Region should pursue a strategic economic and political path , one focused on integration with other Somali territories and fostering a grassroots civic campaign aimed at reform, inclusivity, and stronger local administration.


Military action or armed confrontation risks unraveling the fragile stability and would invite further foreign militarization under the guise of security.

The smarter route is to consolidate gains, build a legal and political case, and gradually shift the balance through civic strength and institutional development.



Can you provide a credible source for this claim? Because from what I can see, parties like the Democratic Unity Party (Hawiye), the Ethiopian Somali Democratic Movement (Isaaq), the Democratic Action League (Issa), and Reer Barre factions do not suggest broad based inclusion.

If anything, most of those appear to be similar to the clan-based factions or foreign-backed rebel proxies that were formed inside Somalia during the Cold War era , not grassroots movements reflecting the will of communities or districts across the Somali Region.

With the exception of ONLF and WSLF, which had clear mass support and political agendas rooted in Somali self-determination, the rest look like fragmented interest groups rather than an inclusive government.



This period you displayed in that text is covered in the FB post i shared as well.
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For me, the focus is on what has actually worked in the Somali Region to foster peace, reconciliation, and institutional progress , not on speculating about the clan background or relatives of individuals I frankly know little about.

That kind of fixation distracts from what matters: whether the initiatives being implemented are helping stabilize the region and build trust among communities. That’s the only standard that really counts.

Here is your essay in 7 points

1. The ONLF are a continuation from the WSLF
2. MSB turning on the WSLF was pragmatic(positive implication) even though Mengistu continued supporting the rebels that eventually deposed him.
3. Cagjars admin is an improvement to Iley
4. Cagjars admin is a more autonomous civilian authority.
5. SR shouldnt enter another war currently
6. The inclusion of various opposed clan-based factions still means it wasnt inclusive mainly because some of them have foreign connects in Somalia and elsewhere.
7. Relationships of politicians even when they are close family praising the admin isnt important to consider as a conflict of interest.

3/7 are obvious and werent in contention. 4/7 are ridiculous(red highlight)

I feel like my point is made. If those reconciliation groups have been of use besides hunting Ileys cronies why havent they commented on most of the egregious oversteps from Cagjar that have been spoken about by mostly everyone else in SR?

Onlf should come back to Asmara

In Sha Allah

 

[TheLand]

This is what you said just now


Not only is it Information directly taken from an article/post that i link throughout the thread, that you are trying to deflect from the real developments and points being shared.

It's also from an article i have continuously been quoting from and linking from since last year.

One of my posts from back in September where i directly quote it and link it:


I have been linking and sharing the exact same article since July 2024, on closer inspection.

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Everything is from my own research. I don't use AI to give me links or sources or citations.

If anything if you go back through my posts you will start to see just how consistent i have been throughout the years and months, echoing the same things.

All of this is a deliberate distraction and you know it. The suspicious statement in question is:‘If you want a real-world example, look at how the Somali region of Ethiopia (Ogaden) stabilized. They didn’t defeat insurgency with pure force , they set up a Truth and Reconciliation Commission and invested in grassroots governance. Local councils were empowered, which fostered clan dialogue, built trust, and expanded inclusive governance.’

Your comparison of Somali resistors of Ethiopian subjugation to al-shabaab terrorists notwithstanding, the above statement is a lie. There is no grassroots governance, dialogue or inclusivity in Abiy’s Ethiopia. The constant civilian massacres and genocides make that clear. You said you quoted from an article, but you could have quoted from literally dozens of articles. You made a choice. Why this article? Why this specific article? Either you are Cagjar’s burner as you have already been accused of, or more plausibly you don‘t actually know what you are talking about so you get your information from a cheap ai without thinking through the implications of exactly what you are saying.

 

[Abaq]

Onlf should come back to Asmara

God forbid. We’re done dying

Here is your essay in 7 points

1. The ONLF are a continuation from the WSLF
2. MSB turning on the WSLF was pragmatic(positive implication) even though Mengistu continued supporting the rebels that eventually deposed him.
3. Cagjars admin is an improvement to Iley
4. Cagjars admin is a more autonomous civilian authority.
5. SR shouldnt enter another war currently
6. The inclusion of various opposed clan-based factions still means it wasnt inclusive mainly because some of them have foreign connects in Somalia and elsewhere.
7. Relationships of politicians even when they are close family praising the admin isnt important to consider as a conflict of interest.

3/7 are obvious and werent in contention. 4/7 are ridiculous(red highlight)

I feel like my point is made. If those reconciliation groups have been of use besides hunting Ileys cronies why havent they commented on most of the egregious oversteps from Cagjar that have been spoken about by mostly everyone else in SR?

In Sha Allah

Cagjar’s admin is the most autonomous admin in DDS’s history. There are former presidents on record saying that

 

[TheLand]

@Idilinaa You made me do this. I tried to warn you. Here are two samples of your writing. One in a casual conversation and another in debate with @Removed.
This is you in casual conversation. Spelling and grammar mistakes galore, clunky phrasing, run on sentences, broken logic, almost like you are having a brain fart and under some kind of mental fog. It sounds very fobbish too with phrases like ‘an economic stimulus’. This is clearly your authentic voice. These are your fingerprints. This is the real idil.

Now look at the below. This is you in debate with @Removed. Much more coherent, structured and balanced. This is the moment the ai comes out because the stakes were higher here. That’s why it clearly looks like two different people posted these from your account. I could read a post by removed or @Step a side and know it was them without seeing their name just from the style and structure, and Im sure Im not the only one. I’ve debated both of them along with many others here and never once felt like they were using ai or it wasn’t their authentic voice. It’s intellectually dishonest to pretend to debate someone when they don’t know that they are really debating a cheap ai. Waa so idlaatay sheekadada.

 

[Idilinaa]

Here is your essay in 7 points

1. The ONLF are a continuation from the WSLF
2. MSB turning on the WSLF was pragmatic(positive implication) even though Mengistu continued supporting the rebels that eventually deposed him.
3. Cagjars admin is an improvement to Iley
4. Cagjars admin is a more autonomous civilian authority.
5. SR shouldnt enter another war currently
6. The inclusion of various opposed clan-based factions still means it wasnt inclusive mainly because some of them have foreign connects in Somalia and elsewhere.
7. Relationships of politicians even when they are close family praising the admin isnt important to consider as a conflict of interest.

3/7 are obvious and werent in contention. 4/7 are ridiculous(red highlight)

I feel like my point is made. If those reconciliation groups have been of use besides hunting Ileys cronies why havent they commented on most of the egregious oversteps from Cagjar that have been spoken about by mostly everyone else in SR?

In Sha Allah

I honestly don’t even know what we’re arguing about anymore. My whole point from the beginning was just that Ogaden managed to achieve some real reconciliation and that they’ve been leading efforts to promote dialogue and peace on the ground.

I’m not defending Cagjar. I’ve said before he’s basically just another political stooge, like most Somali elites. That’s not the hill I’m dying on.

I just try to look at the bigger picture , what everyday people are doing to improve their lives, what’s working long-term, and what’s worth building on.

That said, I do think ONLF threatening military action to enforce the full agreement is a mistake. It risks undoing all the progress that’s been made.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I honestly don’t even know what we’re arguing about anymore. My whole point from the beginning was just that Ogaden managed to achieve some real reconciliation and that they’ve been leading efforts to promote dialogue and peace on the ground.

I’m not defending Cagjar. I’ve said before he’s basically just another political stooge, like most Somali elites. That’s not the hill I’m dying on.

I just try to look at the bigger picture , what everyday people are doing to improve their lives, what’s working long-term, and what’s worth building on.

That said, I do think ONLF threatening military action to enforce the full agreement is a mistake. It risks undoing all the progress that’s been made.

Well @Abaq is overstretched his hand a bit(fudeed siyasadeed ma ficna) it's like basic 101 principle in PL after seeing siyad barre fudeed and their stunned when Madoobe is quite fudeed.

ONLF was a mashruc that Somalis supported with ill intentions as usual(corruption is a fundamental value in Somali culture which alot of ppl seem to comprehend) Somali will neber wish the best for u but play like he is in order to see your land dispossessed thru wars and him gaining a foothold or opportunity to settle and expand his real estate profile.

i think the DDS guys have even before Ilay realized this even among their clan or local differences that Somalis are not a friend and infact potentialy the biggest threat facing Ogaden interests.

 

[Idilinaa]

All of this is a deliberate distraction and you know it. The suspicious statement in question is:‘If you want a real-world example, look at how the Somali region of Ethiopia (Ogaden) stabilized. They didn’t defeat insurgency with pure force , they set up a Truth and Reconciliation Commission and invested in grassroots governance. Local councils were empowered, which fostered clan dialogue, built trust, and expanded inclusive governance.’

Your comparison of Somali resistors of Ethiopian subjugation to al-shabaab terrorists notwithstanding, the above statement is a lie. There is no grassroots governance, dialogue or inclusivity in Abiy’s Ethiopia. The constant civilian massacres and genocides make that clear. You said you quoted from an article, but you could have quoted from literally dozens of articles. You made a choice. Why this article? Why this specific article? Either you are Cagjar’s burner as you have already been accused of, or more plausibly you don‘t actually know what you are talking about so you get your information from a cheap ai without thinking through the implications of exactly what you are saying.

Yeah, let’s not pretend here that you didn't falsely claim that i got citations, links and a source from ChatGPT, just to discredit the actual source I referenced. A source i have continuesly refrenced since last year. That’s a weak attempt to dismiss real information and distract from the broader point.

Ogaden is a valid comparison. It has experienced insurgency from ONLF(in the past others) and in response, a heavy handed counter-insurgency by TPLF, Abdi Iley administration and the Liyu police . It was basically a militarized conflict zone until 2018. Which is not unlike Southern Somalia with Alshabab and FGS backed Amisom forces. So the comparison is appropriate and it fits.

You and Removed keep zeroing in on Cagjar and Ogaden admin, but i've mentioned multiple examples from different regions and time periods that prove that reconciliation , not just military action is what brought peace.

For example :

-Djibouti made peace through dialogue after conflict with Ethiopian-backed Afar groups in the early 90s

- Puntland and Somaliland were built on local reconciliation efforts after state collapse, not foreign boots or top-down force.

- Even in Mogadishu, the brief ICU period brought stability precisely because of grassroots governance and consensus-building , until it was shattered by foreign military interference in 2006. (This reconciliation would have happened in the early 90s if it wasn't for Blood Monday and UN/US interfrence)

In fact, nowhere in Somali history has a purely military solution brought lasting peace. Peace/stability has always emerged when locals have been allowed to lead the process either through dialogue , compromise or trust building.


This is the point you're missing. You are obsessing over personalities like Cagjar, trying to discredit sources or writings as AI but the core principle still stands. Peace requires space. Constant foreign interference , top-down militarization and proxy agenda's is what kept Southern Somalia stuck.

Political reconciliation doesn't happen in a vacuum. It needs breathing room. Somalis have shown time and time again they can reconcile , if they are left to do so.

@Idilinaa You made me do this. I tried to warn you. Here are two samples of your writing. One in a casual conversation and another in debate with @Removed.
This is you in casual conversation. Spelling and grammar mistakes galore, clunky phrasing, run on sentences, broken logic, almost like you are having a brain fart and under some kind of mental fog. It sounds very fobbish too with phrases like ‘an economic stimulus’. This is clearly your authentic voice. These are your fingerprints. This is the real idil.
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Now look at the below. This is you in debate with @Removed. Much more coherent, structured and balanced. This is the moment the ai comes out because the stakes were higher here. That’s why it clearly looks like two different people posted these from your account. I could read a post by removed or @Step a side and know it was them without seeing their name just from the style and structure, and Im sure Im not the only one. I’ve debated both of them along with many others here and never once felt like they were using ai or it wasn’t their authentic voice. It’s intellectually dishonest to pretend to debate someone when they don’t know that they are really debating a cheap ai. Waa so idlaatay sheekadada.View attachment 362401

Not only are you reaching, but you're also nitpicking for the sake of distraction. That was a quick, shorthand response i typed in 2 minutes, and the phrase “economic stimulus” wasn’t even my original wording

I was responding to The truth seeker who said ''after the war was providing a sort of economic stimulus" I was reiterating his point, not presenting it as my own.

Even so, there’s nothing “broken,” “illogical,” or “fobbish” about what was said. it was perfectly coherent.

The reference “economic stimulus” was tied to how the U.S ramped up military industrial production during the Korean War , which boosted its economy and that of its allies. It stimulated their economies.

I even linked a book that i read underneath that point, something I often do in my posts to add context or support.

You’re trying to make this about AI because you can’t actually refute the points being made.

But lets be real there’s nothing wrong with using tools like ChatGPT for support, as long as you're working from your own ideas, research, and writing. That’s exactly how professionals use it.

Like i have told others before:

'''Just a bit of advice , don't rely on ChatGPT to write things for you blindly. Use it the way most professionals do, as a supporting tool to help structure and analyze "your own work" that means for ideas, files, data, graphs, articles, etc. If you don't understand or study the material yourself first, it's not going to magically make sense of things for you"

Everything I talk about is grounded in my own research, notes, PDFs, books, data, and articles I’ve read and stored. That’s the foundation , not some random AI-generated fluff/dribble like you’re trying to suggest.

 

[X29]

Yeah, let’s not pretend here that you didn't falsely claim that i got citations, links and a source from ChatGPT, just to discredit the actual source I referenced. A source i have continuesly refrenced since last year. That’s a weak attempt to dismiss real information and distract from the broader point.

Ogaden is a valid comparison. It has experienced insurgency from ONLF(in the past others) and in response, a heavy handed counter-insurgency by TPLF, Abdi Iley administration and the Liyu police . It was basically a militarized conflict zone until 2018. Which is not unlike Southern Somalia with Alshabab and FGS backed Amisom forces. So the comparison is appropriate and it fits.

You and Removed keep zeroing in on Cagjar and Ogaden admin, but i've mentioned multiple examples from different regions and time periods that prove that reconciliation , not just military action is what brought peace.

For example :

-Djibouti made peace through dialogue after conflict with Ethiopian-backed Afar groups in the early 90s

- Puntland and Somaliland were built on local reconciliation efforts after state collapse, not foreign boots or top-down force.

- Even in Mogadishu, the brief ICU period brought stability precisely because of grassroots governance and consensus-building , until it was shattered by foreign military interference in 2006. (This reconciliation would have happened in the early 90s if it wasn't for Blood Monday and UN/US interfrence)

In fact, nowhere in Somali history has a purely military solution brought lasting peace. Peace/stability has always emerged when locals have been allowed to lead the process either through dialogue , compromise or trust building.


This is the point you're missing. You are obsessing over personalities like Cagjar, trying to discredit sources or writings as AI but the core principle still stands. Peace requires space. Constant foreign interference , top-down militarization and proxy agenda's is what kept Southern Somalia stuck.

Political reconciliation doesn't happen in a vacuum. It needs breathing room. Somalis have shown time and time again they can reconcile , if they are left to do so.




Not only are you reaching, but you're also nitpicking for the sake of distraction. That was a quick, shorthand response i typed in 2 minutes, and the phrase “economic stimulus” wasn’t even my original wording

I was responding to The truth seeker who said ''after the war was providing a sort of economic stimulus" I was reiterating his point, not presenting it as my own.
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Even so, there’s nothing “broken,” “illogical,” or “fobbish” about what was said. it was perfectly coherent.

The reference “economic stimulus” was tied to how the U.S ramped up military industrial production during the Korean War , which boosted its economy and that of its allies. It stimulated their economies.

I even linked a book that i read underneath that point, something I often do in my posts to add context or support.

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You’re trying to make this about AI because you can’t actually refute the points being made.

But lets be real there’s nothing wrong with using tools like ChatGPT for support, as long as you're working from your own ideas, research, and writing. That’s exactly how professionals use it.

Like i have told others before:

'''Just a bit of advice , don't rely on ChatGPT to write things for you blindly. Use it the way most professionals do, as a supporting tool to help structure and analyze "your own work" that means for ideas files, data, graphs, articles, etc. If you don't understa or study the material yourself first, it's not going to magically make sense of things for you"
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Everything I talk about is grounded in my own research, notes, PDFs, books, data, and articles I’ve read and stored. That’s the foundation , not some random AI-generated fluff/dribble like you’re trying to suggest.

But how do you reconcile with khawaraj like Al shabaab there not even interested in talking unless I'm mistaken

 

[Abaq]

Well @Abaq is overstretched his hand a bit(fudeed siyasadeed ma ficna) it's like basic 101 principle in PL after seeing siyad barre fudeed and their stunned when Madoobe is quite fudeed.

ONLF was a mashruc that Somalis supported with ill intentions as usual(corruption is a fundamental value in Somali culture which alot of ppl seem to comprehend) Somali will neber wish the best for u but play like he is in order to see your land dispossessed thru wars and him gaining a foothold or opportunity to settle and expand his real estate profile.

i think the DDS guys have even before Ilay realized this even among their clan or local differences that Somalis are not a friend and infact potentialy the biggest threat facing Ogaden interests.

Unfortunately we realised too late that our biggest enemies are other Somalis. While we were busy fighting, they were busy settling our grazing land and selling our people to the Ethiopians.

No way we’re going back to warfare to give other Somalis the chance to take more of our land

 

[Idilinaa]

But how do you reconcile with khawaraj like Al shabaab there not even interested in talking unless I'm mistaken

Not reconcile with them in the traditional sense but create a path to negotiate a political settlement that involves local people as agents basically, clan elders as credible interlocutors and mediators. Somali clan elders have historically been the primary source of conflict mediation within Somali society because they are seen as the ones who possesses legitimacy across the broad spectrum of Somali society, including both Al-Shabaab and FGS.

We have seen this approach in multiple regions, even in the Ogaden example i spoke about where the local clan elders/leaders set up a council of peace and unity and paved the way for broader stability.

You are absolutely right , they are not interested in talking directly with the govt, and most of them are hardliners.

What you said only applies at the macro-level(national level). But at the micro-level ( local level) dialogue does happen . They’ve been known to negotiate micro-level arrangements using clan elders as intermediaries.

Second, whilst Al-Shabaab is obstinately refusing any dialogue on the macrolevel, at the microlevel, the group indirectly negotiates with the FGS and other actors using clan elders as interlocutors and facilitators

I linked a study on page 4 of this thread that outlines how this can be achieved through a inside - partial mediators.

Dialoguing and negotiating with Al-Shabaab: the role of clan elders as insider-partial mediators​

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17531055.2020.1863099

Finally, the article explores the idea that, instead of relying on foreign third-party mediators to resolve Somalia's protracted stalemate at the macrolevel, clan elders, as credible insider-partial mediators possessing locally sourced legitimacy and perceived integrity, have the capacity to help overcome the stalemate between Al-Shabaab and the FGS.

So the solution isn’t to legitimize or “negotiate” with terrorists directly. It’s to empower local actors to break the stalemate, remove the foreign interference that fuels radicalization, and rebuild peace through Somali led mechanisms.