turks/ottomans were colonist

[Ayubi]

The ottoman empire was Islamic empire who's main religion was Islam

Fixed it for you

 

[Muslim]

Wow first time I agree with you. Ottoman was not a caliph. It just masqueraded behind Islam.

and who are you to say they were not. They were a legitimate caliphate and ask which scholar you want and they will say they were a legit caliphate so stop lying.

 

[CaliTedesse]

The Ottomans was an Islamic empire, not nationalist. They became nationalists when The Young Turks was founded which led to the collapse of the Caliphate.

You said "Do you think they would let you rule their land?"

My response: Allah knows best, The prophet said in the hadith, Obey your Imam even if he is an Ethiopian and he said this in front of a crowd of Arabs. Muslim unity is fundamental and inshallah, a new Muslim caliphate will be born again.

Ottoman was very nationalist Empire sxb you need to read more on it. Maybe first 100 years were caadi. They sent Turks to every region to try and expand that dirty language and Turk population but they failed so hard because their intent was wrong.

 

[Muslim]

Again Ottamans took by forced and ottomans cant go and colonise other muslim land dont using Quran to justified colonilism
Saudi had every right to rebel if their been colonise by ottomans

If you side with kuffars against muslims then you are a kaffir and your blood is halal and it is allowed to kill you wherever you are.

 

[CaliTedesse]

and who are you to say they were not. They were a legitimate caliphate and ask which scholar you want and they will say they were a legit caliphate so stop lying.

Maybe first 100 years

 

[Muslim]

Maybe first 100 years

they were until their demise and ataturk that shaytaan was behind their fall.

 

[imperialist]

The Ottomans was an Islamic empire, not nationalist. They became nationalists when The Young Turks was founded which led to the collapse of the Caliphate.

You said "Do you think they would let you rule their land?"

My response: Allah knows best, The prophet said in the hadith, Obey your Imam even if he is an Ethiopian and he said this in front of a crowd of Arabs. Muslim unity is fundamental and inshallah, a new Muslim caliphate will be born again.

I too subscribe to that ideal but you need to stop being gullible. How you gone let people invade your country because they are Muslims?

 

[CaliTedesse]

None of the Ottoman Sultans even visited Makka for Hajj

 

[Ayubi]

I too subscribe to that ideal but you need to stop being gullible. How you gone let people invade your country because they are Muslims?

A legitimate Muslim Caliphate doesn't exist today. If it did than I would allow them to rule my lands under mutual interests and Islamic brotherhood. If Abu Bakr or Umar were alive today leading the ummah, I and most Somalis would allow them to rule Somaliweyn. The type of nationalism every Muslim needs is Islamic nationalism.

 

[Apollo]

A legitimate Muslim Caliphate doesn't exist today. If it did than I would allow them to rule my lands under mutual interests and Islamic brotherhood. If Abu Bakr or Umar were alive today leading the ummah, I and most Somalis would allow them to rule Somaliweyn. The type of nationalism every Muslim needs is Islamic nationalism.

It will never work due to how the human brain works. Humans are naturally tribal.

They tried a union between Pakistan and Bangladesh (a sort of Ummah experiment) and it failed.

Soviet Union was a union based on ideas and it also collapsed.

Humans are tribal, let's face reality.

 

[Muslim]

It will never work due to how the human brain works. Humans are naturally tribal.

They tried a union between Pakistan and Bangladesh (a sort of Ummah experiment) and it failed.

Soviet Union was a union based on ideas and it also collapsed.

Humans are tribal, let's face reality.

so how is china united when their population is more than the whole africa

 

[Apollo]

so how is china united when their population is more than the whole africa

Almost all of them are Han Chinese and they did it using brutal methods (ancient times) like conquering territory against the will of locals (think Xinjiang and Tibet) and culturally Sinicizing people that will not be kosher today.

 

[Muslim]

Almost all of them are Han Chinese and they did it using brutal methods (ancient times) like conquering territory against the will of locals (think Xinjiang and Tibet) and culturally Sinicizing people that will not be kosher today.

Explain how america is united when they have many different races

 

[Apollo]

Explain how america is united when they have many different races

America is a super power and before 1965 it had a dominant Anglo protestant culture (waning now) and its current high living standards keeps them together.

The hypothetical Ummah state has potentially some of the poorest regions of the world like Afghanistan and Niger who are quick to rebel and create civil wars when they are not pleased with the central authority.

 

[Muslim]

America is a super power and before 1965 it had a dominant Anglo protestant culture (waning now) and its current high living standards keeps them together.

The hypothetical Ummah state has potentially some of the poorest regions of the world like Afghanistan and Niger who are quick to rebel and create civil wars when they are not pleased with the central authority.

What are you talking about the muslims united they would be the richest and have the highest population. Just think about all the natural resources we would had.

 

[hussein]

turk/ottoman has colonised most muslim land and country saudi was doing was to get back their land
i dont see nothing wrong wiht most will say turk have right to control other people you have coloniel mind if u say that but who is not to colonines muslim couuntrys and controll their border and econamic and education system
if turk do that to somalis it is colonines and it is wrong
they cant tell no one we will rule over your land and economic and
resource
that is simpy colony
they used islam and politic to colonise other people land and took slaves from europe
some of are sick minded tht you will see if you colonise my muslim
that you have to obey and be on his side
if turks or any other non somali colonise somali i will not obey them and be on their side nor i support them
everyone should rule their own land
just cuz we share same faith doesnt mean you will colonise us
@HanadR6 or @Lostbox tag for me will ya

What will you do to stop them from colonizing you? Do you even live in Somalia

 

[CaliTedesse]

Erdogan is a pig. There I said it.

 

[Apollo]

What are you talking about the muslims united they would be the richest and have the highest population. Just think about all the natural resources we would had.

Countries like Niger and Afghanistan have been poor since time immorial. I doubt they will ever become rich. Not saying this is the case for all Muslim countries, just certain unstable hot spots like the aforementioned.

There is no way those two countries could ever be controlled from within the same federal state. It is impossible. Your view of humans is flawed if you think this is possible.

 

[Muslim]

Countries like Niger and Afghanistan have been poor since time immorial. I doubt they will ever become rich. Not saying this is the case for all Muslim countries, just certain unstable hot spots like the aforementioned.

There is no way those two countries could ever be controlled in the same federal state. It is impossible. Your view of humans is flawed if you think this is possible.

It is possible and every region doesn't need to be rich. Other regions will help them and if we created a muslim nation we would have nuclears and we would not need help from other countries because we would be self-sufficient and other countries would need our oils.

 

[Muslim]

Erdogan is a pig. There I said it.

Nobody is talking about erdogan if he was the real deal he would have attacked israel he is all talk and no walk.