Timo Jilac culture of still living at home with parents after they get married is wild.

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Raah If it's in Baadiyo, They get their own Aqal made, they still would live in the encampment with other family members, but have the privacy of their own Aqal
thats like living in the same area/neighbourhood. not the same house.

in somalia, my grandma has her own house. next door is my uncle and his wife's house. and right across is my uncle and his families house.
 

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thats like living in the same area/neighbourhood. not the same house.

in somalia, my grandma has her own house. next door is my uncle and his wife's house. and right across is my uncle and his families house.
That is the point I made indeed
 

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It’s common in Somalia, it’s only recently where we in the west adopted the caadan family way of living in terms of moving away from our parents etc.
They do that in Somalia too though. Sure not everyone back home does it but it’s common.
we literally have a whole housing ceromony after the wedding.

Aqal gal: Immediately after the wedding party, the couple are escorted to their new home by their families.
 
Only common if they're poor. As soon as they can afford it, they'll get a house nearby. The idea of living on top of it each other isn't Somali dhaqan whatsoever. Nothing 'cadaan' about it as well. Learn your dhaqan before commenting and actually go back home.

98% of Somali people were poor (and still poor) when coming to the UK, we are not all people with recipients of haram 'Booli Qaran MOD privilege' ok those were the only rich people when we were coming to UK, are you from that community? somebody on another thread were saying you are Dhulbahante, I suspect you probably are because you are always talking about "well if they rich".


Togetherness as in living in the same area and parents moving in with their children when old. NOT brothers living in the same house and their many children ect. Like I said, once they can afford it, each brother lives separately. Like why on earth will you live in the same house as your brother and his wife. How is that even Islamically acceptable, especially if you can afford to live elsewhere?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz-V8dieb1U

Look here 'miss rich' the reality is 99.6% of Somalis would've not been 'rich' enough to buy a house when landing in UK so the best option for them to strive for better is to do what South Asian do as it's the proven template for success ok 'miss rich', how else do you think people become rich/successful?? in a halal way not the haram way I suspect your family come from.

So basically you are advocating whether intentional/unintentional is you think it's better for people to be dependant on Kufaar Governemnt in Government Housing paid for by the Kafaar Government rather than the couple stay with groom's family until they're able to buy a house, as that is much more honest, self-sufficient and less haram than taking ceyd from Kufaar Governemnt which is what the majority of Somalis would have to do if they go YOUR way and they have done and that's why the Somali community is a failure today.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “By him in whose hand is my soul, if one of you were to carry a bundle of firewood on his back and sell it, that would be better for him than begging a man who may or may not give him anything.” You see it's better to have familial self-reliance and co-operation and using your hard earned money from hard work to save up for a house, than than be recieving hand-outs from Kufaar Government. That's the more of the Islamic way.


They Aqal culture is okay back home but in The West when we own no land, so you can't compare the two.
 

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98% of Somali people were poor (and still poor) when coming to the UK, we are not all people with recipients of haram 'Booli Qaran MOD privilege' ok those were the only rich people when we were coming to UK, are you from that community? somebody on another thread were saying you are Dhulbahante, I suspect you probably are because you are always talking about "well if they rich".






Look here 'miss rich' the reality is 99.6% of Somalis would've not been 'rich' enough to buy a house when landing in UK so the best option for them to strive for better is to do what South Asian do as it's the proven template for success ok 'miss rich', how else do you think people become rich/successful?? in a halal way not the haram way I suspect your family come from.

So basically you are advocating whether intentional/unintentional is you think it's better for people to be dependant on Kufaar Governemnt in Government Housing paid for by the Kafaar Government rather than the couple stay with groom's family until they're able to buy a house, as that is much more honest, self-sufficient and less haram than taking ceyd from Kufaar Governemnt which is what the majority of Somalis would have to do if they go YOUR way and they have done and that's why the Somali community is a failure today.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “By him in whose hand is my soul, if one of you were to carry a bundle of firewood on his back and sell it, that would be better for him than begging a man who may or may not give him anything.” You see it's better to have familial self-reliance and co-operation and using your hard earned money from hard work to save up for a house, than than be recieving hand-outs from Kufaar Government. That's the more of the Islamic way.


They Aqal culture is okay back home but in The West when we own no land, so you can't compare the two.

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98% of Somali people were poor (and still poor) when coming to the UK, we are not all people with recipients of haram 'Booli Qaran MOD privilege' ok those were the only rich people when we were coming to UK, are you from that community? somebody on another thread were saying you are Dhulbahante, I suspect you probably are because you are always talking about "well if they rich".






Look here 'miss rich' the reality is 99.6% of Somalis would've not been 'rich' enough to buy a house when landing in UK so the best option for them to strive for better is to do what South Asian do as it's the proven template for success ok 'miss rich', how else do you think people become rich/successful?? in a halal way not the haram way I suspect your family come from.

So basically you are advocating whether intentional/unintentional is you think it's better for people to be dependant on Kufaar Governemnt in Government Housing paid for by the Kafaar Government rather than the couple stay with groom's family until they're able to buy a house, as that is much more honest, self-sufficient and less haram than taking ceyd from Kufaar Governemnt which is what the majority of Somalis would have to do if they go YOUR way and they have done and that's why the Somali community is a failure today.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “By him in whose hand is my soul, if one of you were to carry a bundle of firewood on his back and sell it, that would be better for him than begging a man who may or may not give him anything.” You see it's better to have familial self-reliance and co-operation and using your hard earned money from hard work to save up for a house, than than be recieving hand-outs from Kufaar Government. That's the more of the Islamic way.


They Aqal culture is okay back home but in The West when we own no land, so you can't compare the two.
Kufar government housing kulaha. If you really had issues with the kufar government, you'd go back home and actually try to make a difference and live in Somalia. Your point about 'Kufar' government is a funny one as living in subsidised housing might not be great, but it certainly is not haram. In fact, living with your in laws cramped with your brother living in the same house as your wife in a small box house with thin walls and lack of privacy is actually what is haram. So, what on earth are you talking about?

Also, they usually buy homes using mortgages. Everyone knows that timo Jelecs are more accepting of mortgages than Somalis. Even if Somalis lived in cramped 3 bedroom houses with wives having no privacy and living with non Mahram brother in laws which isn't even Islamically acceptable btw, they still wouldn't be able to save £400,000 which is the average 2 bedroom price for a house in London and outside of London, rent is really cheap, so there is literally no reason as to why your wife who is a hijabi should be living with your brother.

Life is so much more than just getting on the property ladder. They have a lot more family issues than us simply because of lack of boundaries and living on top of each other. In-law abuse and drastic toxic bust ups that would be unthinkable amongst Somalis is also common.
 
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First of all do you have evidence saying South Asian Muslim's all do haram riba mortgages accusing them all of that defamation of a whole community. There are halal mortgages too.
Plus a large portion of them save outrite, by working hard, living frugally and not entering a mortgage the Muslim families I'm talking about, many of them their parents are are small/medium business owners in The UK or back home or abroad, I think mixing up them up with the Hindus and Sikhs


By renting when your not high earning employment/business is risky when you live in daarulkafur it's better to stick with the family, family is everything.

The hadith you quoted is not very relevant as ofcaorse it can be upheld. Nobody purposefuly/accidentally goes into the couple's room. Plus the couple can have their room locked at all times.

The last paragraph you wrote is just stupid why pay rent, when you can save for a house and build a foundation for your community in the rich country you are working in?
 
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Thank you. Everything he wrote is jibberish. Literally tugging at straws. How is subsidised government housings haram, but living in a tiny UK box house with literally no privacy halal? Also, Islamically you can't even force your wife to live with your family simply because our religion acknowledges that wives have a right to their own private accommodation. Seriously, i don't think they realise how toxic family relationships become when sister-in laws, brother in-laws are living in cramped conditions with literally no way to forge their own household rules and family life.
 
@Macquul ah

Ironic that your name is macquul as hardly what you say ever is actually macquul.

Houses in the UK are tiny, so please explain what true privacy a hijabi woman has? She can't even cook food/clean house without wearing an abaya and big hijab in her own damn house as the brother-in law will need to come into the kitchen. How does such a woman relax in her living room to watch TV? What about getting out the shower? She needs to get changed in bathroom and wear her abaya before coming out.

Do you honestly think that is a comfortable life? Like why?
 

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Thank you. Everything he wrote is jibberish. Literally tugging at straws. How is subsidised government housings haram, but living in a tiny UK box house with literally no privacy halal? Also, Islamically you can't even force your wife to live with your family simply because our religion acknowledges that wives have a right to their own private accommodation. Seriously, i don't think they realise how toxic family relationships become when sister-in laws, brother in-laws are living in cramped conditions with literally no way to forge their own household rules and family life.
I wouldn't necessarily say everything he wrote is jibberish as he did make valid points such as trying to not rely on government, also the hadith he mentioned is sahih. however the other things he mentioned is a miscalculation.

It is a must that the husband provides accomodation when married, If they both work, they can easily pay for a 1 bedroom apartment and it is better. Family Dynamic is also the main thing. The Wife basically needs to have her own space with her husband in order for her to relax and not be pressurised.

Also a question to macquul, Would you want your siblings and parents to hear , when you are getting Jiggy With it?

Like personally There should be no marriage, if the husband isn't able to provide an accomodation whether is council house or private renting, if the wife agrees to work to pay some rent, that's great. Like as a man you should take pride in yourself, guess i'm an oldie then lol
 
I wouldn't necessarily say everything he wrote is jibberish as he did make valid points such as trying to not rely on government, also the hadith he mentioned is sahih. however the other things he mentioned is a miscalculation.

It is a must that the husband provides accomodation when married, If they both work, they can easily pay for a 1 bedroom apartment and it is better. Family Dynamic is also the main thing. The Wife basically needs to have her own space with her husband in order for her to relax and not be pressurised.

Also a question to macquul, Would you want your siblings and parents to hear , when you are getting Jiggy With it?

Like personally There should be no marriage, if the husband isn't able to provide an accomodation whether is council house or private renting, if the wife agrees to work to pay some rent, that's great. Like as a man you should take pride in yourself, guess i'm an oldie then lol
It is jibberish as house prices have sky rocketed therefore even if you do save rent money, you're still not going to be able to save near enough £400,000 without a mortgage, therefore at this point you're just discomforting and causing potential family issues over nothing.

Also, as long as your working and paying your taxes, what is haram about a council house?! How are you relying on the government then?
 

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It is jibberish as house prices have sky rocketed therefore even if you do save rent money, you're still not going to be able to save near enough £400,000 without a mortgage, therefore at this point you're just discomforting and causing potential family issues over nothing.

Also, as long as your working and paying your taxes, what is haram about a council house?! How are you relying on the government then?
I agree there's nothing wrong with a council house, I'm just saying the less you rely on the government for the better, that's all. Yes I absolutely do not see a point in buying a house. better to Rent for Life if you planning to stay in UK, But i prefer to stack the bundles and send it back home.

As i said, it should be a man's pride to live in his own accomodation with a wife, where they can do whatever whenever.

I know some TimoJilecs that are STRESSED like we should be actually grateful on the personal space we got
 
Kufar government housing kulaha. If you really had issues with the kufar government, you'd go back home and actually try to make a difference and live in Somalia. Your point about 'Kufar' government is a funny one as living in subsidised housing might not be great, but it certainly is not haram. In fact, living with your in laws cramped with your brother living in the same house as your wife in a small box house with thin walls and lack of privacy is actually what is haram. So, what on earth are you talking about?

Also, they usually buy homes using mortgages. Everyone knows that timo Jelecs are more accepting of mortgages than Somalis. Even if Somalis lived in cramped 3 bedroom houses with wives having no privacy and living with non Mahram brother in laws which isn't even Islamically acceptable btw, they still wouldn't be able to save £400,000 which is the average 2 bedroom price for a house in London and outside of London, rent is really cheap, so there is literally no reason as to why your wife who is a hijabi should be living with your brother.

Life is so much more than just getting on the property ladder. They have a lot more family issues than us simply because of lack of boundaries and living on top of each other. In-law abuse and drastic toxic bust ups that would be unthinkable amongst Somalis is also common.

Why you flipping it on me now about the Kufar Government which is what I charged on you since you always claim you're a conservative person and on the the deen, I'm not the one who brags "i'm conservative on the deen" like you which is why I say for you Social Welfare is only halal in Muslim countries with a Muslim Government ruling with the Sharia and collecting their revenues from Zakat and other halal Muslim Governemnt revenues.
I believe a Muslim recieving social welfare from a Kufar Government that is currently waging a war on muslims, the same Kufar Government that broke peace 'the covenent' in 2001 between Muslims and Kufar, it's not Islamically acceptable to voluntarily/willfully receive Social Welfare handouts from them. So I suggest you stop advocating for haram, as you said is haram, do not try to lead innocent Muslims astray and it's not more haram than living with your in laws which tame compare to Kufar Government who are killing millions of Muslims


Are you ok in the head ah'uudibillahi minashaaydani rajiim they are a couple the man is there for his wife they are muslims, they are family the brother always respects is in-laws and would never dare go anywhere near her as his parents are there, so all this "non-maharam" fearmongering in a safe environment like a family home.
Most South Asian Muslims who are on the deen use halal mortgage to buy a new house and because of their good family values they have their parents chipping in too to help. Some South Asian Muslims from some small Hanafi intersects claim riba mortgages are not haram and engage in it but they are only a minority. Whichever they buy a house for residential purpose or their first 'buy to let' which will gaurantee generational wealth, you see with the South Asian community only the first and second generation did some struggle and now they mashaallah they are in their 5/6 generation doing very well AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU TRY TO SLANDER THEM AND ALSO DENY THE POOR SOMALIS TO MAKE THE FIRST/SECOND GENERATION STRUGGLE so their children and children's children etc, can live comfortable and have compounding generational wealth, I thiught you are some one value the family wealth building since you are always on about "if he's/they are rich, remeber getting rich is always a process and must delay gratification by trying to live comfortable now.
"Rent is cheap outside of london" kulaha, lol, who wants to live outside London? remember we are talking about Somalis they don' want to get away from London. The rent in London Is astronomical most people are trying to run away from it and get on the property ladder which is why the UK government is trying to make easier for people to do that as we speak politicians are fighting with each about who makes it easier to get people on the property ladder.


I'm not sure about South Asians Muslims having more family issues than Somalis when in the Somali community is basically broken now and it's mostly single mother (Kufar Government) households raising children on her own, why? because they have kick out the husband/father out the house in order comply with the Kufar Governent social welfare rules and this destroys families, this is the reality of the average Somali household yet you want to claim South Asians "have more family issues than us", you are insane if you think that.
When you refer to "In-law abuse and drastic toxic bust ups" in the South Asian community, I don't think would be much of a problem with Somali women since they mostly have (many times) a lot brothers who would shut down torturous abuse.
 
Timo jileec women even pay dowry to their husband :dead:

That's messed up to practice that in today's age, that's the only aspect of South Asian family values I can think of I'm against.



It's only logical back in the day when there is constant wars as the Man is the prize, but in peace/civilised time the lady is the prize and man should pay mehr.
 

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