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Exactly. Indeed here thinks that traditional we were sharing the same aqal ect. Talking about cadaan culture kulaha.
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Exactly. Indeed here thinks that traditional we were sharing the same aqal ect. Talking about cadaan culture kulaha.
thats like living in the same area/neighbourhood. not the same house.Raah If it's in Baadiyo, They get their own Aqal made, they still would live in the encampment with other family members, but have the privacy of their own Aqal
That is the point I made indeedthats like living in the same area/neighbourhood. not the same house.
in somalia, my grandma has her own house. next door is my uncle and his wife's house. and right across is my uncle and his families house.
It’s common in Somalia, it’s only recently where we in the west adopted the caadan family way of living in terms of moving away from our parents etc.
we literally have a whole housing ceromony after the wedding.They do that in Somalia too though. Sure not everyone back home does it but it’s common.
loll i misunderstood what you saidThat is the point I made indeed
Only common if they're poor. As soon as they can afford it, they'll get a house nearby. The idea of living on top of it each other isn't Somali dhaqan whatsoever. Nothing 'cadaan' about it as well. Learn your dhaqan before commenting and actually go back home.
Togetherness as in living in the same area and parents moving in with their children when old. NOT brothers living in the same house and their many children ect. Like I said, once they can afford it, each brother lives separately. Like why on earth will you live in the same house as your brother and his wife. How is that even Islamically acceptable, especially if you can afford to live elsewhere?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz-V8dieb1U
98% of Somali people were poor (and still poor) when coming to the UK, we are not all people with recipients of haram 'Booli Qaran MOD privilege' ok those were the only rich people when we were coming to UK, are you from that community? somebody on another thread were saying you are Dhulbahante, I suspect you probably are because you are always talking about "well if they rich".
Look here 'miss rich' the reality is 99.6% of Somalis would've not been 'rich' enough to buy a house when landing in UK so the best option for them to strive for better is to do what South Asian do as it's the proven template for success ok 'miss rich', how else do you think people become rich/successful?? in a halal way not the haram way I suspect your family come from.
So basically you are advocating whether intentional/unintentional is you think it's better for people to be dependant on Kufaar Governemnt in Government Housing paid for by the Kafaar Government rather than the couple stay with groom's family until they're able to buy a house, as that is much more honest, self-sufficient and less haram than taking ceyd from Kufaar Governemnt which is what the majority of Somalis would have to do if they go YOUR way and they have done and that's why the Somali community is a failure today.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “By him in whose hand is my soul, if one of you were to carry a bundle of firewood on his back and sell it, that would be better for him than begging a man who may or may not give him anything.” You see it's better to have familial self-reliance and co-operation and using your hard earned money from hard work to save up for a house, than than be recieving hand-outs from Kufaar Government. That's the more of the Islamic way.
They Aqal culture is okay back home but in The West when we own no land, so you can't compare the two.
Kufar government housing kulaha. If you really had issues with the kufar government, you'd go back home and actually try to make a difference and live in Somalia. Your point about 'Kufar' government is a funny one as living in subsidised housing might not be great, but it certainly is not haram. In fact, living with your in laws cramped with your brother living in the same house as your wife in a small box house with thin walls and lack of privacy is actually what is haram. So, what on earth are you talking about?98% of Somali people were poor (and still poor) when coming to the UK, we are not all people with recipients of haram 'Booli Qaran MOD privilege' ok those were the only rich people when we were coming to UK, are you from that community? somebody on another thread were saying you are Dhulbahante, I suspect you probably are because you are always talking about "well if they rich".
Look here 'miss rich' the reality is 99.6% of Somalis would've not been 'rich' enough to buy a house when landing in UK so the best option for them to strive for better is to do what South Asian do as it's the proven template for success ok 'miss rich', how else do you think people become rich/successful?? in a halal way not the haram way I suspect your family come from.
So basically you are advocating whether intentional/unintentional is you think it's better for people to be dependant on Kufaar Governemnt in Government Housing paid for by the Kafaar Government rather than the couple stay with groom's family until they're able to buy a house, as that is much more honest, self-sufficient and less haram than taking ceyd from Kufaar Governemnt which is what the majority of Somalis would have to do if they go YOUR way and they have done and that's why the Somali community is a failure today.
Abu Huraira reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “By him in whose hand is my soul, if one of you were to carry a bundle of firewood on his back and sell it, that would be better for him than begging a man who may or may not give him anything.” You see it's better to have familial self-reliance and co-operation and using your hard earned money from hard work to save up for a house, than than be recieving hand-outs from Kufaar Government. That's the more of the Islamic way.
They Aqal culture is okay back home but in The West when we own no land, so you can't compare the two.
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First of all do you have evidence saying South Asian Muslim's all do haram riba mortgages accusing them all of that defamation of a whole community. There are halal mortgages too.
Plus a large portion of them save outrite, by working hard, living frugally and not entering a mortgage the Muslim families I'm talking about, many of them their parents are are small/medium business owners in The UK or back home or abroad, I think mixing up them up with the Hindus and Sikhs
By renting when your not high earning employment/business is risky when you live in daarulkafur it's better to stick with the family, family is everything.
The hadith you quoted is not very relevant as ofcaorse it can be upheld. Nobody purposefuly/accidentally goes into the couple's room. Plus the couple can have their room locked at all times.
The last paragraph you wrote is just stupid why pay rent, when you can save for a house and build a foundation for your community in the rich country you are working in?
Thank you. Everything he wrote is jibberish. Literally tugging at straws. How is subsidised government housings haram, but living in a tiny UK box house with literally no privacy halal? Also, Islamically you can't even force your wife to live with your family simply because our religion acknowledges that wives have a right to their own private accommodation. Seriously, i don't think they realise how toxic family relationships become when sister-in laws, brother in-laws are living in cramped conditions with literally no way to forge their own household rules and family life.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
I wouldn't necessarily say everything he wrote is jibberish as he did make valid points such as trying to not rely on government, also the hadith he mentioned is sahih. however the other things he mentioned is a miscalculation.Thank you. Everything he wrote is jibberish. Literally tugging at straws. How is subsidised government housings haram, but living in a tiny UK box house with literally no privacy halal? Also, Islamically you can't even force your wife to live with your family simply because our religion acknowledges that wives have a right to their own private accommodation. Seriously, i don't think they realise how toxic family relationships become when sister-in laws, brother in-laws are living in cramped conditions with literally no way to forge their own household rules and family life.
It is jibberish as house prices have sky rocketed therefore even if you do save rent money, you're still not going to be able to save near enough £400,000 without a mortgage, therefore at this point you're just discomforting and causing potential family issues over nothing.I wouldn't necessarily say everything he wrote is jibberish as he did make valid points such as trying to not rely on government, also the hadith he mentioned is sahih. however the other things he mentioned is a miscalculation.
It is a must that the husband provides accomodation when married, If they both work, they can easily pay for a 1 bedroom apartment and it is better. Family Dynamic is also the main thing. The Wife basically needs to have her own space with her husband in order for her to relax and not be pressurised.
Also a question to macquul, Would you want your siblings and parents to hear , when you are getting Jiggy With it?
Like personally There should be no marriage, if the husband isn't able to provide an accomodation whether is council house or private renting, if the wife agrees to work to pay some rent, that's great. Like as a man you should take pride in yourself, guess i'm an oldie then lol
I agree there's nothing wrong with a council house, I'm just saying the less you rely on the government for the better, that's all. Yes I absolutely do not see a point in buying a house. better to Rent for Life if you planning to stay in UK, But i prefer to stack the bundles and send it back home.It is jibberish as house prices have sky rocketed therefore even if you do save rent money, you're still not going to be able to save near enough £400,000 without a mortgage, therefore at this point you're just discomforting and causing potential family issues over nothing.
Also, as long as your working and paying your taxes, what is haram about a council house?! How are you relying on the government then?
They do that in Somalia too though. Sure not everyone back home does it but it’s common.
Kufar government housing kulaha. If you really had issues with the kufar government, you'd go back home and actually try to make a difference and live in Somalia. Your point about 'Kufar' government is a funny one as living in subsidised housing might not be great, but it certainly is not haram. In fact, living with your in laws cramped with your brother living in the same house as your wife in a small box house with thin walls and lack of privacy is actually what is haram. So, what on earth are you talking about?
Also, they usually buy homes using mortgages. Everyone knows that timo Jelecs are more accepting of mortgages than Somalis. Even if Somalis lived in cramped 3 bedroom houses with wives having no privacy and living with non Mahram brother in laws which isn't even Islamically acceptable btw, they still wouldn't be able to save £400,000 which is the average 2 bedroom price for a house in London and outside of London, rent is really cheap, so there is literally no reason as to why your wife who is a hijabi should be living with your brother.
Life is so much more than just getting on the property ladder. They have a lot more family issues than us simply because of lack of boundaries and living on top of each other. In-law abuse and drastic toxic bust ups that would be unthinkable amongst Somalis is also common.
Timo jileec women even pay dowry to their husband
Its risky to make jacayl if you have your whole family tree living with you,